24674Re: Not quite on topic, but I need an answer. How do you deal with fanboys?
- Mar 5, 2008Nor do I claim to be such a expert, but I will weigh in regardless.
Such a thing as funtanari is at best stepping on the line. Though, I
would argue that the emotional aspect of yuri is half of it at least,
while funtanari would have to exclusively be pornographic in nature,
as I am unaware of another way to explicate the fact that such a
character's genitals. Not that porn can't be yuri, under a loose
definition, but do you really count the almost always present degree
of lesbianism in male porn to be lesbian at all? The women are almost
always clearly straight. I may be splitting hairs, but I would argue
against something has being yuri at all if there are males as a focal
point of the sexual encounter. Two women making out to turn some guy
on I wouldn't call lesbian, as they are doing so to turn the guy on.
A women with a dick, is no different in my opinion, the focal point
is male, whether in full presence or merely male sex organs.
So those are my objections, to reiterate and refine: I wouldn't call
straight women having sex for male pleasure yuri. I understand that
yuri can mean purely sexual interaction, without any emotional,
though I think generally when someone is refering to yuri, they mean
elements of both, as I would call the purely sexual aspect simply
porn, and purely the emotional aspect, to be shoujo-ai (where I would
including any loving relationships between women, including
completely nonsexual, relative, or friend love) but I peronsally
reserve yuri, to mean something that has elements of both. Other
people may not make these destinctions however. I wouldn't call
sexual situations between a women, and a person with a women's body,
and male genitals to be yuri either.
That is my two cents.
--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Joy Bordador <haruka173@...> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I don't claim to be the world's greatest and/or most knowledgeable
yuri fan, but right now, please tell me if this is right or wrong.
> Some male fanboy over at one of the forae I help moderate keeps
pushing that futanari is the same as yuri. I keep trying to tell him
that futanari = shemale (though the politically correct term may be
either transsexual or hermaphrodite), yuri = lesbian. I've consulted
the somewhat-reliable Wikipedia on this and it says, essentially:
> Futanari (¤G¦¨, ¤G§Î; Ç\ÇFÇQÇq; a compound word meaning "two form"
in Japanese) can mean ... hermaphrodites, intersex or other
individuals with female body-types and sexual organs resembling
penises, whether or not those organs are in fact enlarged
clitorises,or they possess both male and female reproductive organs.
Technically,the term also encompasses male characters with both sets
of sexualorgans, but these are usually excluded. Other common terms
used to describe futanari characters are "dickgirls" or "shemales",
although these are often considered vulgar. Futanari, along
with "newhalf", are more polite terms having come into recent use,
with futanaritending to refer specifically to actual hermaphrodites
and "newhalf"tending to refer specifically to characters with female
bodies but onlymale genitals.
> Yuri (¦Ê¦X, Yuri?) ... is a Japanese jargon term for content
involving love between women in anime, manga, and related Japanese
media. Yuri can focus either on the sexual or the emotional
aspects of the relationship, the latter sometimes being called shtjo-
ai by western fans.
> As we can see from the definitions above, futanari doesn't always
equate to yuri. Unfortunately, the fanboy is a bit of a brat, and for
the longest time I've known him he insists on having his way. I'm
getting quite tired of getting him to distinguish between the two,
especially because the said forum I moderate is child-friendly and
should stay worksafe. The administrator is a bit lenient and has
asked me not to nominate the kid for banning (I don't have actual
powers for wielding the banstick, alas) but in as much as I am a yuri
fan, I think this has gone on quite far enough. The forae actually
switched board providers from Invisionfree to vBulletin, and back
when it was in Invisionfree we suspended his membership for the exact
same reason, but as he promised the admin he'd play nicely - and
because I've only been made mod recently - he got away with opening a
yuri fandom thread.
> Thanks in advance for any and all advice y'all may hold.
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