22878Re: The real meaning Of Yuri/Shoujo ai
- May 29, 2007--- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Chalcahuite <ximatl@...> wrote:
>Thanks for that informative explaination. i probably wasn't in group
> On May 29, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Freddy J. wrote:
or didn't read artile on shoujo ai ands its western orgin. Thanks
again for the info on the term shoujo ai and the witch hunter show
> > Well I'm sure we all know what to expect when we hear a anime is
> > and shoujo Ai. But what makes an anime shoujo ai.prior
> As far as I'm concerned, the term shoujo-ai needs to die a quiet
> death, alone in small, locked cell somewhere with the key lost.
> There's no need to use the term shoujo-ai when yuri covers it all.
> Erica already explaind the etymology of the term shoujo-ai in a
> post earlier today, but I'll copy it here, because I'm nice. ;)created
> > Shoujo-ai
> This is a term that was coined in the late 1990's by an American
> woman who was a fan of what was then called "shounenai" (now more
> commonly and properly referred to as Yaoi, or Boy's Love.) She and a
> number of other fans did not want to admit that they liked Yuri, as
> they interpreted that to mean "lesbian porn for guys" so they
> a term that was an analog to "shounenai" (Boy Love) which waswomen
> "shoujoai," i.e., Girl Love. Because the bias against the word Yuri
> was so strong, it became accepted that "shoujoai" stories were
> romantic and sweet while Yuri was explicit sex - this way these
> could say that they liked, say, Haruke and Michiru from Sailor Moon,promoted
> but they weren't "Yuri" fans.
> Since the word shoujoai was made up here in the west and never used
> in Japan at all, and because the word "Yurizoku" (Yuri tribe) was
> originally coined to describe lesbians, not lesbian porn, I decided
> to use Yuri, as opposed to shoujoai, when I created Yuricon to
> celebrate this genre. In a sense, I was "reclaiming" the word -
> taking it back from the LFBs who had pre-empted it, and using it
> blatantly in front of the women who were too precious to admit they
> liked watching the girls kiss. Hence, the genre I pioneered is
> "Yuri," not "shoujoai."
> Ironically, some publishers in Japan now use the English term "Girls
> Love" to denote the category - as an analog to "Boys Love." How
> freakishly full circle, huh? :-)
> > Ok well its a big DUH
> > that shows like Kasi Masi and strawberry Panic are shoujo ai.
> No, I'd call them yuri anime. And I'm pretty sure they were
> as yuri anime in Japan.Bruja
> > One show
> > someone said was shoujo ai was a show called:El Cazador de la
> > Its a very good show so far with great, sometimes funny,
> > and the story is very well made. AFter watching 8 episodes of itit.
> > though
> > i don't see why it would be classified as a
> Yuri anime
> > since there is no
> > relationship between the two girls be-sides friends.
> > If you can help explain the reason I would be very glad to read
> With that little correction, I'd say I'd have to agree with you.
> this point there's very little to suggest that El Cazador is ayuri
> anime, though Nadie and Ellis are very slashable, especially aftersimple
> episode 7. There's 19 more episodes, and to be perfectly honest, I
> think we had just as much to go on, if not less, when Noir first
> aired, and we all know how that turned out.
> The reason this series gets mentioned in yuri circles, is the
> fact that this is the 3rd part of the BeeTrain/KoichiMashimo "Girls
> with Guns" trilogy that includes Noir and Madlax. Both of thoseshows
> had very strong yuri subtext, so the logic goes, that if ElCazador
> follows the same patterns, it too should have some yuri subtext.out.
> So, in short, be patient and let's just see how this one plays
> At very least it does not suck.
> "Visually Impressive!" -- Precocious Curmudgeon
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