Re: [Y-Mail] Re: Improving the Group
- Thanks for the information, Guillaume!
I have to say to the Yahoo! folks, though, that I'm rather unimpressed with the customer service side of this beta testing. For starters, their blog is crap. Could they not at least have a weekly posting? You know, with comments about working on a particular bug that many people have provided feedback on? Or highlighting upcoming features? How about just announcing the release of a new build and/or a list of problems fixed in the latest build?
I don't think that's so much to ask...
And one other comment... about this Group here. They DID help to promote it after all. It's nice to know that they read many of the messages here, but I could compare this to a product like TiVo which hosts forums for its users and regularly allows one or more employees to respond to active threads and answer some of the questions posted by members.
I don't really think it's asking too much for a little communication from SOMEONE on the Beta team, is it?
----- Original Message ----
From: Guillaume <belfiore_guillaume@...>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 5:58:42 AM
Subject: [Y-Mail] Re: Improving the Group
The Yahoo! Mail Team may not be actively participating in this group
but rest assure they they READ it just like they read the feedback you
are submitting. Just do simple search in the member database for
subscribers with a @... email address.
The Yahoo mail Beta product is about to expand internationally. The
canadian website already bear an advertisment. Shamir Ramjan from the
Yahoo! Communications Department in France informed me of an imminent
launch in France. We can already predict an introduction in the UK and
in Australia & new Zealand as well.
Besides, the announcement of an open Calendar API for webdevelopers
suggest a major upgrade very soon. There is a lot underwork right now
and you can understand that the Team cannot devote some of their time
in this group. The important part is that they read us, not that they
interact with us. We got that part.
Also the Yahoo! betas do not have Non Disclosure Agreements and
private newsgroups or forums just like Microsoft programs. Whereas
Microsoft has beta sofwtare teams that forward feedbacks to the dev
teams, here we seem to directly interact with the dev team itself, at
least this is the impression that I get.
--- In Y-Mail@yahoogroups.com, "George Hutfilz" <ghutfilz@...> wrote:
> My impression is based purely on circumstantial evidence.
> 1. No one identifying himself or herself as being employed by Yahoo
> has ever participated in this group.
> 2. The Yahoo-owned blog on this topic has only two tired entries
> written by marketing and heavily edited by the legal department.
> 3. No one in the group has communicated that Yahoo followed up with
> them in any way on any of the feedbacks they have submitted. I did
> relate that a bug that I had reported was fixed, but there was no
> communication to that effect from Yahoo; I had to discover this myself
> when I finally got the latest release.
> 4. After appearing prominently on the main mail page earlier in the
> "beta," the link to feedback has been buried. Possibly to
> 5. The feedback form in use has no provision for copying the report
> to the submitter.
> 6. The feedback form in use captures far too little information to be
> of much use in a real beta test.
> I was a product manager for a commerical software product in a past
> life. While there may be a beta test of the new Y-Mail going on with
> Yahoo employees and some selected users, what we are a part of is not
> that beta test. It's simply early access to code under development,
> no support, no promises.
> --- In Y-Mail@yahoogroups.com, gboja <glendaboja@> wrote:
> > hi,
> > I was just wondering ... how you got the impression that Yahoo is
> ignoring/refuses to acknowledge
> > this groups' feedback ..
> > thanks-
> > glenda
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: George Hutfilz <ghutfilz@>
> > To: Y-Mail@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:35:20 PM
> > Subject: [Y-Mail] Improving the Group
> > I have a suggestion for the moderators.
> > Since Yahoo steadfastly ignores us and refuses even to
> > feedback and problem reporting, I believe we need to take action to
> > improve the utility of this group.
> > I propose that the moderators establish two databases within the
> > group, one to contain FAQs, which could eliminate about half the
> > traffic on this group, and a second to contain summaries of reported
> > issues. Since Yahoo refuses to tell us whether the myriad issues we
> > report are known problems, new discoveries, not yet implemented
> > planned to be implemented, we need our own clearinghouse for issue
> > reports so folk can judge for themselves whether to play. This would
> > also streamline the dialog in the group and give new users a
> > perspective on the utility of the "beta."
> > I would be willing to help setting up or populating these suggested
> > resources.
> > George
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