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  • G Pollara
    Thank you for the detailed reply Manuel I would also like to add that ZImbra desktop offers many of the features Gil was asking for. I was using it this
    Message 1 of 3 , Oct 25, 2009
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      Thank you for the detailed reply Manuel

      I would also like to add that ZImbra desktop offers many of the features Gil was asking for. I was using it this weekend and generally, I'm very impressed with it. Very familiar Yahoo-like interface with threading + offline access to emails.


      From: "manuel_yinc@..." <manueldeschamps@...>
      To: Y-Mail@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, 25 October, 2009 18:29:59
      Subject: [Y-Mail] Re: My Y-Mail experience

       



      Gil,

      try the following:

      * SORTING: click on the message list's headers, if you click on From they will be sorted by Name, if you click on Date they will be sorted by date, etc.. if you click again on the same header it inverts the sorting, i.e. new messages on top or bottom of the list.

      * SEND CONFIRM: Options (top right link) -> Mail options -> "When sending a message" -> uncheck "Show a confirmation page"

      * HIGHLIGHT MESSAGE: instead of click on the message's subject or sender, click on the small checkbox to the left of the message. If you hold down Shift or Ctrl you can select multiples and move them, delete them, etc.

      * MESSAGES IN FOLDER: hover (do not click) on the folder's name, a tooltip will be shown with the message count.

      * GROUPS: if you receive so many emails from diff Yahoo Groups you can either use filters to automatically moved those messages to a folder, i.e. y-mail@yahoogroups. com to the "YMail" folder etc; that can help you to keep your Inbox clean; the other option is to use the Application "Automatic Organizer", this applications automatically finds emails from groups, advertisement, social networks and moves them to folders.

      * SPAM: both Mail versions (New and Classic) use the exact same severs but if you are keep getting group messages in the spam folder after clicking on Not A Spam you can any of these options: 1. add the group email address to your contacts or 2. create a filter to always move them to your inbox for those addresses.

      * THREADING: we do not have a thread view but you can use the "Extended Navigation" from the "View" menu to navigate up or down through messages with the same title, or using the shortcut keys "Shift + Ctrl +" up or down arrow. The other option is to click on the message's title from the message header (it underlines when you hover on it), that will bring all the messages with the same title (or thread)

      --- In Y-Mail@yahoogroups. com, "kgcrafts" <kgcrafts@.. .> wrote:
      >
      > Hello everyone,
      >
      > I've heard there may be one or more people from Yahoo who may be members of this group. If so, I'm posting my experience with the new Yahoo Mail with hopes Yahoo may consider them for changes. While these are complaints of mine, my intention with posting here is to make Yahoo Mail a better experience.
      >
      > Gil
      >
      > Here goes:
      >
      > 1. Open Yahoo
      > a. It opens the New Yahoo page - http://m.www. yahoo.com/
      > b. Click on Return to Yahoo Classic – if you can. The whole screen drops down about an inch for yet another advertisement on the screen. When the screen finally stops moving, the icon can be clicked.
      > 2. Click on Mail
      > a. Login
      > b. I get a screen telling me "there seems to be a screen resolution problem" and that my settings are below your minimum recommendation, which is 1024 x 768 pixels.
      > c. Knowing that my screen resolution is set to 1024 x 768, I ignore the bogus message.
      > d. Now I need to make a choice "to continue to the all-new Yahoo! Mail anyway…" or "to proceed to Yahoo! Mail Classic".
      > e. Reluctantly, and for not much longer, I choose to "go to Yahoo! Mail".
      > 3. I get to the Yahoo! Mail screen
      > a. Who cares what the What's New tab has to offer. How can I turn that off permanently?
      > b. There's the darn Applications menu in the left pane. How can I minimize it on start up? There are some links to click on, but in the two months I've been using the new Yahoo! Mail – I've never used one of those applications. So better yet, how can I turn that off permanently?
      > c. I click on the down button to reduce the Applications menu.
      > d. I click on the down button again to reduce the Applications menu.
      > e. I click on the Inbox tab.
      > f. I see there are 1-20 emails in my Spam folder, depending on the day.
      > g. Once again, I have to open the Spam folder, click the good emails as Not Spam. With the Windows Classic email – at least it seemed that the Spam folder "learned" to accept emails from Yahoo groups as Not Spam. Why can't the new Yahoo! Mail do the same. For about two months I deal with the same Yahoo groups showing up in my Spam folder.
      > h. I open the Inbox and the scroll bar is at the bottom. I have to scroll all the way up to start viewing older messages first. Why can't this setting be changed to start at the top?
      > i. I peruse the emails that I don't want to read, based on the title, but one title may be all over the place in my Inbox. Why can't like emails be grouped together in the Inbox. I know this can happen because Google's gmail does this very thing. And it's a nice feature to have. I can read through the thread in succession.
      > j. I open an email and want to close it to the Inbox versus deleting it. For about the last week or so, it goes back to the Inbox alright, but it then shows as unread instead of read. My other Yahoo Mail account does not use the new Yahoo! Mail and the "problem" doesn't happen there.
      > i. In Mail Option > General I had changed a setting for "Mark message as read:" from 2 seconds to Never. That's when the problem started happening. In my other email applications (non-Yahoo), this setting is in reference to how long an email is in the preview pane before being marked as read.
      > ii. After changing this setting, now not only do the emails I read get marked as read, but any emails that appear in the preview pane for more than 2 seconds are marked as read-----which is not what I want to happen. It's an all-or-nothing setting.
      > iii. My suggestion is to look at how Outlook 2007 handles this. I can turn off the reading pane so I don't have to look at it. Any email I read and return to the Inbox is marked as read. If they can do it, certainly you should be able to figure it out.
      > iv. So let's reiterate this point:
      > This one is good (sarcasm). I don't want messages viewed in the Reading Pane to show as read; however if my setting in Options > Mail Options > Mark Message as Read is set to Never, this is exactly what happens. Not only that, but when I open an email by double-clicking it, then close it (versus deleting it), it shows in the Inbox as unread. Bad!! If I change that setting from Never to Immediately, 2 seconds or 5 seconds – then an email that is opened and then closed (at the tab) is returned to the Inbox as read. However, if you use the Reading Pane to view a message and then delete it, the next message is opened and will be marked as read in the time you've specified. What if I don't want the next message viewed? I don't really have a choice other than to use the Never setting, but then all my closed emails remain unread. It's a nasty vicious cycle. Why can't I turn off the viewing pane (much like Outlook allows)?
      > k. I read an email and decide to respond. After responding I get a screen that the message was sent. But it's asking me if the "recipients not in your contacts (check the contacts you want to add):". It then shows the recipient(s) with text fields for first and last name. Then a box to check to "automatically add new recipients to my contacts (from now on).
      > i. If I wanted the recipient to be added to my contacts – I'd add them. I don't need to see this screen every time I send an email. Once sent, the tab that contained the email response should be closed.
      > ii. I have to click on the x on the tab. Yet another step in the process.
      > 4. Other issues to note.
      > a. I have a lot of folders set up. There may be times when I've deleted an email and it's still in the Trash. I go to the Trash folder, find the email and then click on the Move button on the Toolbar. This opens a drop-down window with a list of folders, but only so many. Because I have so many folders set up, I have to scroll to the bottom to find the Inbox. Instead of a nice way to scroll, like the mouse wheel or page down or cursor down – no, I have to use the little down arrow in the drop-down menu and wait for the slow scrolling to occur. Yes, I know I can drag & drop from the center pane to the left pane's Inbox icon. But I like to use the Move > Inbox method.
      > b. When viewing messages in the Inbox, why can't I highlight a message and not have it open to read? I may see several emails in succession that I would prefer to just delete. I could simply click each of the boxes and click delete, but why couldn't I highlight the first message, hold the shift key down, and highlight the last message – then hit delete or click delete. I get one of the emails to open by doing this, blocking my intended actions.
      > c. If I click on the center pane, below the list of emails, I get the following screen:
      >
      > Message from webpage
      >
      > You must select at least one email to perform this action.
      >
      > To select one email, check the box next to the sender's name. To select multiple, either use the boxes or hold down the Shift or Control key and click the desired emails.
      >
      > OK (button)
      >
      > Gee – I know what I "must do", but why do I have this extra step? Now I have to click OK to get rid of the annoying popup and continue with what I'm doing.
      > d. When in a folder, how can I tell how many messages are contained? Oh, its in the reading pane. Well there are people who don't use the reading pane – like me. So – another extra step (are you seeing a pattern here?). I have to open up the reading pane, then close it (two extra steps actually). Why can't the number of messages selected be shown in the same line as the "Today: {today's date}" – only to the far right?
      > e. Speaking of viewing the number of emails in a folder ---- in the Yahoo Mail Classic, there were buttons by the folders for Add and Edit. With Edit, you could see the list of folders and the number of emails within. With the new and improved Yahoo! Mail, the Edit button is gone.
      > f. This one is good (sarcasm). I don't want messages viewed in the Reading Pane to show as read; however if my setting in Options > Mail Options > Mark Message as Read is set to Never, this is exactly what happens. Not only that, but when I open an email by double-clicking it, then close it (versus deleting it), it shows in the Inbox as unread. Bad!! If I change that setting from Never to Immediately, 2 seconds or 5 seconds – then an email that is opened and then closed (at the tab) is returned to the Inbox as read. However, if you use the Reading Pane to view a message and then delete it, the next message is opened and will be marked as read in the time you've specified. What if I don't want the next message viewed? I don't really have a choice other than to use the Never setting, but then all my closed emails remain unread. It's a nasty vicious cycle. Why can't I turn off the viewing pane (much like Outlook allows)?
      > g. When I'm writing a lengthy response to an email, the message is showing in the Drafts folder. More than half the time, the message never leaves the Draft folder and the group never gets it. Sadly, the message in the Draft folder is not the complete reply I've typed. I then have to retype what's missing, probably not as good as I originally wrote, and send it off again. Then, it oftentimes still doesn't get to the group. What I've had to do is when I see the message number in the Draft folder increase to one, I will copy my finished message so I can play the game of HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SEND THIS EMAIL BEFORE IT REALLY GETS SENT!!!!
      > h. Because I belong to 71 Yahoo groups, I get a lot of emails. I oftentimes scan the emails before choosing the ones I want to read. So what I do is highlight all the emails in the Inbox. I then unselect those that are unread – which I've left from a previous session and knowing these emails don't warrant being moved to a folder. I then peruse the titles of the emails and if I want to read one, I unselect it. Here's the problem! Having sometimes as many as 600 emails in my Inbox, I have to scroll down and continue making decisions whether to read them or not. When I get down to the 3rd or 4th or 5th screen, all of a sudden the subject column shows "Loading…". This could last for another screen or several screens. Then I'll get screens that have the messages loaded and ready to go. I've tried all sorts of things to get those messages to show versus loading and have not found a consistent pattern. I've gone into other email applications (Outlook or Gmail as examples) and come back to this screen in Yahoo. Sometimes it's 30 minutes or so. They still show Loading… I don't even have a suggestion on how this should be fixed, but the bottom line is this should be fixed.
      >

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