Thought I'd repost from a discussion I'm in at eckankartruth on the
Ramtha movie. Some people just don't get it!!!
***I respectfully disagree. A lot of this movie and the so called
"Truths" that it extols, are really prone to a kind of "New Age"
artificial guilt. IMHO, all thoughts and feelings, sensations etc.,
"goood and baaad" have there place. I don't agree that believing that
you can always choose your inner environment necessarily makes it so.
It is wishful thinking and in some cases a denial of the authentic
self, who we are for better and sometimes for worse. For me compassion
is the key, not some strict necessary environment that is chosen at all
times. Like I said before, I found the movie cultish in many ways.
Anyone who says there are absolutely no "victims" ever is not really
paying attention. Collateral damage of human life in the Middle East
and Iraq is definitely an example of how the "New Age" thinking can
distort what is really going on in the world. Feeling sad or happy or
angry or afraid are all equally valid states, and part of living and
healing. Sometimes life is just tough and hard and rugged. We simply
do our best. And sometimes life is simply marvelous and wonderful,
without doing anything.
--- In email@example.com, ShabdaHu <shabdahu@y...> wrote:
> This is a good description of how I viewed the film, too. I didn't
find the path related talk involved in it to be heavy in anyway and
what was alluded to was only basics of yoga descriptions, anyway, and
what you'll find in most kundalini/kriya/Patanjali type paths. (And
which do get into a lot more detail about things siddha and beyond
than one can find in paths like Eckankar and Sant Mat). And there are
two science addicts in my environment who otherwise understand little
about things yoga who found the film quite interesting and which
perhaps served to open a few doors for them.
> The scene in the basketball court was, in my interpretation, simply
the kid trying to coax the girl to realize that she had the power to
change her internal environment as she was a depressed kind of person
living in past events. He was trying to show her some of the "magic"
that existed in simply her physical environment, and how much it
wasn't as it appeared (it's not really solid and nothing actually
touches anything else, for example), and if she could realize that
about her external environment, perhaps she could better realize her
own empowerment to change her internal environment and even her body
with simply the power of her thoughts, her choices in thoughts and
> jjamie1977 <jjamie1977@y...> wrote:
> Harvey, I didn't really catch the film talking about quantum physics
as a path to enlightenment (maybe I was heating the nachos). I saw it
more as an attempt to enlarge what we generally know to be "true". For
example, to use something simple, humanity once knew it was "true"
that the world was flat, and that the sun rotated around the earth.
> etc. Quantum physics appears to alter some perceptions about what we
"know" to be true.
> For a long historical while science has led us away from religion.
Quantum physics is saying things that saints have said forever.
Quantum physics taking the external route, so to speak; while the
saints made their discoveries via the inner route.
> Also, I do think of quantum physics as a language; just another way
of expressing one's experience. A christian might understand and
express one way, the psychologist one way, the scientist another.