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  • prometheus_973
    Hello Realbizarrebazar and Etznab, That s interesting about the Shariyat and ECK-Vidya being kept from the public. I don t think Klemp can even explain and
    Message 1 of 3 , Oct 2, 2009
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      Hello Realbizarrebazar and Etznab,
      That's interesting about the Shariyat
      and ECK-Vidya being kept from the
      public. I don't think Klemp can even
      explain and understand the ECK-Vidya!
      Maybe Klemp should have some help
      from Phil Morimitsu and Doug Marman
      and write "The ECK-Vidya For Dummies."

      I've read in "Difficulties Of Becoming
      The Living ECK Master" that Paul had
      completed the Shariyat Book 3, (actually
      Paul flip-flops on this detail by saying
      he had 4 Shariyat Books completed and
      then corrects himself). Paul had intended
      to write all 12 Books for the Shariyat series!

      Here, below, Paul continues to talk about
      Eckists sharing details and answering questions
      about Eckankar at public talks and how the
      Shariyat series will correct that problem.

      PT states (page 136):

      "When somebody asks you about the back-
      ground of ECKANKAR, you never knew what
      to say, so now you're going to have the advantage
      of it. Cause with all that, see, I write books
      in series. I have four books that are finished
      now; well, the Shariyat is a continued writing,
      but I've got three books actually. In my next
      series, I'm taking up the MAHANTA and all
      the history of the MAHANTA back to the
      beginning, so you people will have something
      you can go by. You won't flounder around
      like this fellow floundered around. He didn't
      know what to say; nobody told him, and he
      just took what he thought was being said,
      see? I don't like people to have to go out
      and do their own research."


      Why Klemp can't write/complete/print
      PT'S Shariyat 3 is puzzling. Did Twit lie
      then, or is Klemp lying now?

      Shouldn't Klemp have been able to have
      completed the Shariyat Series (12 Books)
      in 27 years, especially, since HK's paid
      to have himself listed in "The International
      Who's Who of Intellectuals (ninth edition)."
      Thus, Klemp must be smart enough to
      write a Shariyat or two.

      And, HK boasts, in the title of his own
      Autobiography, to being a "Modern Prophet!"
      Thus, with all of these accolades and having
      the Mahanta (spiritual) credentials what
      are the real reasons for Not writing these
      12 Books during 27 years as the LEM/M?
      Twit planned to write these 12 Shariyats
      39 years ago prior to his unexpected
      death!

      BTW- In "Difficulties Of Being The Living
      ECK Master" (pg. 244) The Mystic World
      Oct.-Nov.-Dec. 1970 issue states that:

      "Paul does not appear to like the intellectual
      person. He says they are all the same, making
      elaborate little plans. They give fussy attention
      to small perfections and when something goes
      wrong because of their inborn blindness, they
      scream frantically for help from someone else
      to act in their behalf--to do something for them."

      I wonder what the "international Intellectual,"
      Klemp, thinks about these comments of PT's?
      Perhaps, this is an ECK-Vidya reading on the
      973rd LEM Klemp!

      Prometheus


      realbizarretarzs wrote:

      Yes, that was Paul speaking.

      The book came out in February of 1971.

      What he says in pretty much in line with
      "ECKANKAR - The Key To Secret Worlds"
      from 1969.

      But, originally, the Shariyat-Ki-SUGMAD
      "translations" were for Eckankar members
      only, not for the general public.

      Even as late as 1973 and pretty much going
      into the mid and late seventies, only three
      books were released to the general public,
      at least in the midwest, being the three Lancer
      books.

      It wasn't until the mid to late seventies that
      efforts were made to infiltrate bookstores
      with the Illuminated Way Press.

      The idea in the early seventies was that the
      general public would erupt into riots or
      something if they got their hands on the
      Shariyat. The general public could not be
      trusted with such indoctrination, I mean,
      "deep, inside information."

      Quite honestly, if a regular book reviewer
      had come across such weird stuff in the
      Shariyat, the party would have been over
      a long time ago. The news would have
      been out.

      New members were watched carefully
      and then were eventually trusted enough
      to borrow such books not available to
      "just anybody."

      Once it was obvious that you were psychotic,
      then you could borrow "The ECK-Vidya"
      and so forth.

      So, on the one hand you had the stuff
      from Paul that seemed somewhat reasonable,
      and then you had the Mr. Hyde stuff that
      became a "nonprofit" operation trying to
      profit from your fears.

      Meanwhile, neither Darwin or Harold were
      high enough (?!?) to translate all the other
      Shariyats into English or even into Amdo.

      Heck, Darwin could hardly pronounce
      anything in Amdo and Harold wisely doesn't
      even try.

      He will go down in history as the great pretender.

      Too bad he had to take all the creativity away
      from Eckankar.

      Even Paul and Darwin understood the need
      for creative outflow.

      Now Eckankar is only suitable for those with
      short attention spans.


      etznab wrote:


      Were those Paul Twitchell quotes from Warren
      Smith's book? That was my impression.

      I see your point.

      Strange, Paul wrote that after he wrote Shariyat
      One (and was working on Shariyat Two?).

      Do you know around what time in 1971 Warren
      Smith's book came out? I never read that book
      before.

      Thanks for mentioning it. A real eye opener!

      Etznab
    • tygerpurr
      I still have a copy of the ECK-Vidya. It is a strange read to say the least. There is also some nasty stuff about not questioning the eck master, lest there be
      Message 2 of 3 , Oct 6, 2009
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        I still have a copy of the ECK-Vidya. It is a strange read to say the least. There is also some nasty stuff about not questioning the eck master, lest there be bad karma repercussions, blah, blah. Of course all of it just subtle and not so subtle scare tactics, all absolutely untrue. This is typical of Cults like eckankar, to draw you in and appear to be benign, when in fact once you are hooked, you find out that you have walked into a gnarly, weed infested garden like the novel Great Expectations by Charles Dickens.

        I'll have to post some quotes from this book, a lot of it probably plagiarized from Theosophy and other similar sources. And for the inner circle only. It is books like this that show the Scientology under belly of eckankar.

        Tygerpurr ; )

        --- In X-Eckankar_The-Chains-of-Eck@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
        >
        Hello Realbizarrebazar and Etznab,
        That's interesting about the Shariyat
        and ECK-Vidya being kept from the
        public. I don't think Klemp can even
        explain and understand the ECK-Vidya!
        Maybe Klemp should have some help
        from Phil Morimitsu and Doug Marman
        and write "The ECK-Vidya For Dummies."

        I've read in "Difficulties Of Becoming
        The Living ECK Master" that Paul had
        completed the Shariyat Book 3, (actually
        Paul flip-flops on this detail by saying
        he had 4 Shariyat Books completed and
        then corrects himself). Paul had intended
        to write all 12 Books for the Shariyat series!

        Here, below, Paul continues to talk about
        Eckists sharing details and answering questions
        about Eckankar at public talks and how the
        Shariyat series will correct that problem.

        PT states (page 136):

        "When somebody asks you about the back-
        ground of ECKANKAR, you never knew what
        to say, so now you're going to have the advantage
        of it. Cause with all that, see, I write books
        in series. I have four books that are finished
        now; well, the Shariyat is a continued writing,
        but I've got three books actually. In my next
        series, I'm taking up the MAHANTA and all
        the history of the MAHANTA back to the
        beginning, so you people will have something
        you can go by. You won't flounder around
        like this fellow floundered around. He didn't
        know what to say; nobody told him, and he
        just took what he thought was being said,
        see? I don't like people to have to go out
        and do their own research."


        Why Klemp can't write/complete/print
        PT'S Shariyat 3 is puzzling. Did Twit lie
        then, or is Klemp lying now?

        Shouldn't Klemp have been able to have
        completed the Shariyat Series (12 Books)
        in 27 years, especially, since HK's paid
        to have himself listed in "The International
        Who's Who of Intellectuals (ninth edition)."
        Thus, Klemp must be smart enough to
        write a Shariyat or two.

        And, HK boasts, in the title of his own
        Autobiography, to being a "Modern Prophet!"
        Thus, with all of these accolades and having
        the Mahanta (spiritual) credentials what
        are the real reasons for Not writing these
        12 Books during 27 years as the LEM/M?
        Twit planned to write these 12 Shariyats
        39 years ago prior to his unexpected
        death!

        BTW- In "Difficulties Of Being The Living
        ECK Master" (pg. 244) The Mystic World
        Oct.-Nov.-Dec. 1970 issue states that:

        "Paul does not appear to like the intellectual
        person. He says they are all the same, making
        elaborate little plans. They give fussy attention
        to small perfections and when something goes
        wrong because of their inborn blindness, they
        scream frantically for help from someone else
        to act in their behalf--to do something for them."

        I wonder what the "international Intellectual,"
        Klemp, thinks about these comments of PT's?
        Perhaps, this is an ECK-Vidya reading on the
        973rd LEM Klemp!

        Prometheus


        realbizarretarzs wrote:

        Yes, that was Paul speaking.

        The book came out in February of 1971.

        What he says in pretty much in line with
        "ECKANKAR - The Key To Secret Worlds"
        from 1969.

        But, originally, the Shariyat-Ki-SUGMAD
        "translations" were for Eckankar members
        only, not for the general public.

        Even as late as 1973 and pretty much going
        into the mid and late seventies, only three
        books were released to the general public,
        at least in the midwest, being the three Lancer
        books.

        It wasn't until the mid to late seventies that
        efforts were made to infiltrate bookstores
        with the Illuminated Way Press.

        The idea in the early seventies was that the
        general public would erupt into riots or
        something if they got their hands on the
        Shariyat. The general public could not be
        trusted with such indoctrination, I mean,
        "deep, inside information."

        Quite honestly, if a regular book reviewer
        had come across such weird stuff in the
        Shariyat, the party would have been over
        a long time ago. The news would have
        been out.

        New members were watched carefully
        and then were eventually trusted enough
        to borrow such books not available to
        "just anybody."

        Once it was obvious that you were psychotic,
        then you could borrow "The ECK-Vidya"
        and so forth.

        So, on the one hand you had the stuff
        from Paul that seemed somewhat reasonable,
        and then you had the Mr. Hyde stuff that
        became a "nonprofit" operation trying to
        profit from your fears.

        Meanwhile, neither Darwin or Harold were
        high enough (?!?) to translate all the other
        Shariyats into English or even into Amdo.

        Heck, Darwin could hardly pronounce
        anything in Amdo and Harold wisely doesn't
        even try.

        He will go down in history as the great pretender.

        Too bad he had to take all the creativity away
        from Eckankar.

        Even Paul and Darwin understood the need
        for creative outflow.

        Now Eckankar is only suitable for those with
        short attention spans.


        etznab wrote:


        Were those Paul Twitchell quotes from Warren
        Smith's book? That was my impression.

        I see your point.

        Strange, Paul wrote that after he wrote Shariyat
        One (and was working on Shariyat Two?).

        Do you know around what time in 1971 Warren
        Smith's book came out? I never read that book
        before.

        Thanks for mentioning it. A real eye opener!

        Etznab



        > Etznab
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      • tygerpurr
        I still have a copy of the ECK-Vidya. It is a strange read to say the least. There is also some nasty stuff about not questioning the eck master, lest there be
        Message 3 of 3 , Oct 6, 2009
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          I still have a copy of the ECK-Vidya. It is a strange read to say the least. There is also some nasty stuff about not questioning the eck master, lest there be bad karma repercussions, blah, blah. Of course all of it just subtle and not so subtle scare tactics, all absolutely untrue. This is typical of Cults like eckankar, to draw you in and appear to be benign, when in fact once you are hooked, you find out that you have walked into a gnarly, weed infested garden like the novel Great Expectations by Charles Dickens.

          I'll have to post some quotes from this book, a lot of it probably plagiarized from Theosophy and other similar sources. And for the inner circle only. It is books like this that show the Scientology under belly of eckankar.

          Tygerpurr ; )

          --- In X-Eckankar_The-Chains-of-Eck@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
          >
          Hello Realbizarrebazar and Etznab,
          That's interesting about the Shariyat
          and ECK-Vidya being kept from the
          public. I don't think Klemp can even
          explain and understand the ECK-Vidya!
          Maybe Klemp should have some help
          from Phil Morimitsu and Doug Marman
          and write "The ECK-Vidya For Dummies."

          I've read in "Difficulties Of Becoming
          The Living ECK Master" that Paul had
          completed the Shariyat Book 3, (actually
          Paul flip-flops on this detail by saying
          he had 4 Shariyat Books completed and
          then corrects himself). Paul had intended
          to write all 12 Books for the Shariyat series!

          Here, below, Paul continues to talk about
          Eckists sharing details and answering questions
          about Eckankar at public talks and how the
          Shariyat series will correct that problem.

          PT states (page 136):

          "When somebody asks you about the back-
          ground of ECKANKAR, you never knew what
          to say, so now you're going to have the advantage
          of it. Cause with all that, see, I write books
          in series. I have four books that are finished
          now; well, the Shariyat is a continued writing,
          but I've got three books actually. In my next
          series, I'm taking up the MAHANTA and all
          the history of the MAHANTA back to the
          beginning, so you people will have something
          you can go by. You won't flounder around
          like this fellow floundered around. He didn't
          know what to say; nobody told him, and he
          just took what he thought was being said,
          see? I don't like people to have to go out
          and do their own research."


          Why Klemp can't write/complete/print
          PT'S Shariyat 3 is puzzling. Did Twit lie
          then, or is Klemp lying now?

          Shouldn't Klemp have been able to have
          completed the Shariyat Series (12 Books)
          in 27 years, especially, since HK's paid
          to have himself listed in "The International
          Who's Who of Intellectuals (ninth edition)."
          Thus, Klemp must be smart enough to
          write a Shariyat or two.

          And, HK boasts, in the title of his own
          Autobiography, to being a "Modern Prophet!"
          Thus, with all of these accolades and having
          the Mahanta (spiritual) credentials what
          are the real reasons for Not writing these
          12 Books during 27 years as the LEM/M?
          Twit planned to write these 12 Shariyats
          39 years ago prior to his unexpected
          death!

          BTW- In "Difficulties Of Being The Living
          ECK Master" (pg. 244) The Mystic World
          Oct.-Nov.-Dec. 1970 issue states that:

          "Paul does not appear to like the intellectual
          person. He says they are all the same, making
          elaborate little plans. They give fussy attention
          to small perfections and when something goes
          wrong because of their inborn blindness, they
          scream frantically for help from someone else
          to act in their behalf--to do something for them."

          I wonder what the "international Intellectual,"
          Klemp, thinks about these comments of PT's?
          Perhaps, this is an ECK-Vidya reading on the
          973rd LEM Klemp!

          Prometheus


          realbizarretarzs wrote:

          Yes, that was Paul speaking.

          The book came out in February of 1971.

          What he says in pretty much in line with
          "ECKANKAR - The Key To Secret Worlds"
          from 1969.

          But, originally, the Shariyat-Ki-SUGMAD
          "translations" were for Eckankar members
          only, not for the general public.

          Even as late as 1973 and pretty much going
          into the mid and late seventies, only three
          books were released to the general public,
          at least in the midwest, being the three Lancer
          books.

          It wasn't until the mid to late seventies that
          efforts were made to infiltrate bookstores
          with the Illuminated Way Press.

          The idea in the early seventies was that the
          general public would erupt into riots or
          something if they got their hands on the
          Shariyat. The general public could not be
          trusted with such indoctrination, I mean,
          "deep, inside information."

          Quite honestly, if a regular book reviewer
          had come across such weird stuff in the
          Shariyat, the party would have been over
          a long time ago. The news would have
          been out.

          New members were watched carefully
          and then were eventually trusted enough
          to borrow such books not available to
          "just anybody."

          Once it was obvious that you were psychotic,
          then you could borrow "The ECK-Vidya"
          and so forth.

          So, on the one hand you had the stuff
          from Paul that seemed somewhat reasonable,
          and then you had the Mr. Hyde stuff that
          became a "nonprofit" operation trying to
          profit from your fears.

          Meanwhile, neither Darwin or Harold were
          high enough (?!?) to translate all the other
          Shariyats into English or even into Amdo.

          Heck, Darwin could hardly pronounce
          anything in Amdo and Harold wisely doesn't
          even try.

          He will go down in history as the great pretender.

          Too bad he had to take all the creativity away
          from Eckankar.

          Even Paul and Darwin understood the need
          for creative outflow.

          Now Eckankar is only suitable for those with
          short attention spans.


          etznab wrote:


          Were those Paul Twitchell quotes from Warren
          Smith's book? That was my impression.

          I see your point.

          Strange, Paul wrote that after he wrote Shariyat
          One (and was working on Shariyat Two?).

          Do you know around what time in 1971 Warren
          Smith's book came out? I never read that book
          before.

          Thanks for mentioning it. A real eye opener!

          Etznab



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