- The remainder of this interesting discussion can be found both direct in our Sustran Network link (under Talking New Mobility in the menu) or in our gemütlichMessage 1 of 1 , Jun 27, 2004View Source
The remainder of this interesting discussion can be found both direct in our Sustran Network link (under Talking New Mobility in the menu) or in our gemütlich New Mobility Cafe (same address).
BTW, are there any other worthy discussions on our important topic to which we should be providing similar direct links for everyone's use and convenience?
From: sustran-discuss-bounces+ecoplan.adsl==wanadoo.fr@... [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+ecoplan.adsl==wanadoo.fr@...] On Behalf Of Kisan Mehta
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:42 AM
To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com; email@example.com
Cc: Harshad J. Kamdar; firstname.lastname@example.org
Subject: [sustran] Re: Green =Pollution and Congestion- Taxes on Cars
Frankly we fail to appreciate Prabha's contention that the issue is
complex. We have to look to the existing situation and visualise
conditions most likely to come up and devise measures to ease the
present and to avoid future hardship to residents.
Our suggestion is to charge under Pollution Tax one time levy when a
new car leaves the show room and recurring charge on the fuel filled
payable at the time of filling up of the tank. Congestion Tax is a recurring
charge to be paid on the basis of fuel filled. Can anybody avoid registration
for bringing car on the road with a distinctive serial number. No car can run on
roads without the serial number assigned by the registering authority. In India,
registration tax is now one time hence the Pollution Tax as well can be one
time. In some countries, reregistration is annual with changing serial number.
Both recurring Pollution and Congestion Tax can be added to fuel price and
collectd on the basis of fuel delivered at the pump. There can be no avoidance
of this tax as the gas pump shall have to deposit the amount to the treasury on
the same lines like Sales Tax or Excise Duty prevailing in India. Both taxes
shall have to be uniform for the entire country to seal likelihood of leakage.
Part of Congestion Tax collections can be used to upgrade public transport
both intracity and intercity. Public transport service within the commuting
areas Indian cities is dismal, neglected by the authorities who invariably collect
Passenger Tax, sometime touching to 15-25 % of the ticket fare on every
ticket issued for travelling in the hazardous rickety and noisy buses.
The paradox is that every bus passenger, intracity and intercity, pays the
Passenger Tax while a car owner has nothing to pay for use of road and f
or killing pedestrians on the road.
Public transport service, both railway and bus, needs to be improved.
Improved railway commuter service can enable ciommuters to shift to railways
and public bus service can reduce hardship. To improve public road service
it is essnetial that number of private motorised vehicles has to be reduced.
The above taxes will be a positive movement for easing road congestion
and increasing cimmuter satisfaction. Hope Prabha supports these levies
as measures to ease congestion and reduce polution, both to the benefit of
the people and more of the poor.
Like any developing (poor) country. the Indian Government is doing everything
to support motorisation at the cost of the common man who cannot dream of
owning a car ever, even a Maruti (Suzuki) car. Best wishes.
Save Bombay Committee
620 Jame Jamshed Road, Dadar East,
Tel: 00 91 22 2414 9688
----- Original Message -----
From: Prabha Krishnan
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [sustran] Re: [bnet] France to Impose Green Tax on Big Cars
This issue is complex. When Maruti started manufacture it was a "peoples car" - implication being when we have more moolah we "graduate" to better, bigger cars.
Big cars have aspiration value. In my building the watchmen routinely stand up to greet visitors in big cars - the same courtesy doesn't extend to people like us in small cars.
Taxes are easily avoidable by this class of big people in big cars. THe big car manufacturers are also policy makers.
As such, ecofreindly mass transport wil be a distant dream.
Date: 06/26/04 13:48:01
Subject: [bnet] France to Impose Green Tax on Big Cars
We should welcome and applaud the French proposal to impose Green
Tax on Big Cars in view of increasing quantum of air exhaust in
crowded human settlements. This is possibly the first time that such a
move being taken by the authorities to curb polution.
Vehicle registration taxes worked out on the laden weight of the vehicle
to be paid at the time of putting the vehicle on the road are comon
however they are found to be inadequate to curb increasing air pollution.
One time tax as proposed may not be appropriate. To achieve the object
of ensuring minimum health, what is required in addition is a Pollution
Tax tagged to the petrol/diesel/gas consumption. That would also curb
the use of vehicle after paying the first tax. The realisation of Pollution
Tax can be utilised to run medical care centres for cardiovaswcular and
related diseases as well as curtail the use of finite resource. Taxes
should be applicable throughout the designated area, say the EU, France etc
so that no vehicle can escapes payment of these taxes.
One time tax proposed for Paris would not control the pollution because
the vehicle owner after paying the initial tax payable at the time of
purchase would soon forget the payment altogether and use the costlier vehicle
more vengefully to the further loss to the community.
Along with Pollution Tax, authorities should consider levying Congestion Tax to
be paid on the basis of actual furl coinsumption. Rates for taxes may be
different for different fuels, say more for diesel in personal cars, to encourage
change over to less polluting fuels. Congrstion Tax reciepts can be utilised for
improving pedestrian movmeent facilites. In the fast growing motorisation,
pedestrian safety and convenience get the lowest priority.
Thje SUVs and 4D vehicles should be charged tae Congestion and Pollution
Taxes at a higher rate than personal cars.
Let us hope that tax in London brought by the Mayor and the tax proposed
in France become the herbinger of improved environment and higher
human safety. Thanks Sujit for bringing the matter to our notice. Best
Save Bombay Committee
620 Jame Jamshed Road,
Tel: 00 91 22 2414 9688