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Transport governance is also one such area which is not well-researched.

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  • Eric Britton
    Original subject here: JAIPAL REDDY URGES STATES TO PROMOTE PUBLIC TRANSPORT This discussion is all pretty depressing. But might we make something of it? What
    Message 1 of 1 , Jun 15, 2010



      This discussion is all pretty depressing. But might we make something of it?  What about this as a group thinking exercise?  By the numbers:


      1.     Let's for the moment pretend that the only world there is is the Global South. (We can leave the stupidity, incompetence and meanness of mind of the ROW aside for the moment.)


      2.     And let's pretend that some huge proportion of the time that their transport policies and practices are truly misguided  and as close as one might imagine to unsustainable, unfair - and we are speaking here of the reality of these policies, not their rhetoric.


      3.     And since we are at it, let's also suppose that there are policies and approaches which are known, proven, affordable (i.e., the 2010 sustainable transport reality) that they could be putting into service. But they are not doing it.

      4.     Now my question to the group. Are those responsible for taking the decisions not taking advantage of all that we have learned over these last two decades and could be doing in the interest of sustainability, justice and efficiency, because they are . . .


      1.     ___________:  Ignorant (They simply do not know)

      2.     ___________:  Stupid (But even if they did, they are not smart enough to figure it out)

      3.     ___________:  Incompetent (Not up to the challenges)

      4.     ___________:  Weak (They know what they should be doing but do not have the courage to take on the powerful interests that find the current arrangements pretty much to their taste)

      5.     ___________:  On the take (I.e., are profiting from following the path present policies and investments, so why change?)

      6.     ___________:  Hypocritical (Are culturally shaped so that they feel no discomfort by saying one thing while doing quite another)

      7.     ___________:  Elitist (Find it perfectly natural that the lower classes should have lower lives)

      8.     ___________:  Perverted (Possibly even take pleasure in the suffering of others.)

      9.     ___________:  Other (please explain)

      5.     Check one or more and comment as you please.


      Now my personal guess is that there is a fair amount of 1, 2, and 3 flying around. That there are healthy doses of 5, 6, and 7. And I would hope that there is little of 8.


      Is this a fair picture? And if so, once we have it in our sights can it help us figure out what to do next?


      I look forward with interest to comments and clues.



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      -----Original Message-----
      From: sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@... [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@...] On Behalf Of Rutul Joshi
      Sent: Tuesday, 15 June, 2010 16:23
      To: joshua odeleye; Sustran-discuss@...


      Dear Joshua,


      You are right. Whatever I said might be biased toward the Indian situation but the same concerns are seen everywhere in the Global South. Of course, we have great opportunities to learn from the Industrialised countries which have already walked on the paths of high motorisation. We can surely learn what not to do. But this would fulfil only a part of what we need to know.


      A little is known about number of transport issues in the Global south, especially the equity issues, how people survive in cities, how do the innovate - whether legal or not. Transport governance is also one such area which is not well-researched. For example, does anyone know how many authorities/agencies are responsible for some component of transport in Delhi alone? No wonder the city is in a mess! In short, a lot more is required to be known about our cities and we do not have enough time to explore. The climate clock is ticking.







      Phd Researcher,

      Centre for Transport and Society,

      University of the West of England,








      From: joshua odeleye <joshuaodeleye@...>

      To: Sustran-discuss@...

      Sent: Tue, 15 June, 2010 12:45:32 PM



      Rutul has indeed presented the true state of urban transport planning in most countries in the Southern Hemisphere.The Indian picture painted by him/her, is a parallel practical situation of urban transport planning, institutional and policy issues in most countries in West Africa sub-region.This situation could be reverse, if authorities  would be sincerely committed to bridging the existing knowledge gaps in transport sub-sectors in most countries of the South.

      Joshua Odeleye,Ph.D

      School of Transport

      Lagos State University

      P.M.B 0001 Festac,Ojo




      --- On Tue, 6/15/10, Rutul Joshi <joshirutul@...> wrote:



      From: Rutul Joshi <joshirutul@...>


      To: Sustran-discuss@...

      Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 6:21 AM



      Hi Kanthi and others,


      Patience is a good word to calm people down. Probably, that is why in Indian traditions, someone invented the concept of 're-incarnation'. One can 'have patience' till you are born again!


      In India, we build metros but we forget all about integrated ticketing or physical integration with the buses/cycles or even walking. We build expensive paid parking lots and right outside, one can park on-street for free. We have cumbersome and expensive public transport (operations, ticketing, info) when it is much cheaper, easier and socially 'superior' to go by cars and motorbikes. We build big bus based projects and forget all about pedestrians and cyclists or the other buses which are running the city. We have expensive public infrastructure projects with something as basic as 'walkable' footpaths being absent. We build expensive flyovers for cheap cars, while rest of city struggles with basic water supply network. If we have nice newly-pedestrianised areas in the city, people wants to start charging it and of course, you can park a car for free outside.


      We create new transport authorities/companies to 'hide' the old ones or the bad ones. We have different agencies for planning the landuse, planing the transport, regulating vehicles, regulating building/roads, running the buses and deciding 'what-to-do' and they dont 'talk' to each other. We have sensible and sincere govt officials who unfortunatley are 'not allowed' to take decisions. We have lots of money and the right policy now but a little capacity at the local level to spend it in the right direction.


      Sorry if it sounds pessimistic but sometimes all optimism fade away... unless one believes in re-incarnation!


      Mr. Reddy heads the most difficult ministry. I sympathise with him!





      Phd Researcher,

      Centre for Transport and Society,

      University of the West of England,




      From: KanthiKannan <kanthikannan@...>

      To: Eric Britton <eric.britton@...>; Sustran-discuss@...

      Cc: CAF2 <citizens-action-forum@...>; HasireUsiru <hasiruusiru@yahoogroups.com>

      Sent: Mon, 14 June, 2010 6:05:33 AM




      Mr. JaipalReddy needs to make such announcements and hence he makes them.

      That's all. We should not read much into these kinds of statements. In

      Hyderabad on an average weekly twice, we have people in authority discussing

      with activists like us and stating that what we are telling them makes a lot

      of sense but when asked about follow up / implementation the answer is "Have









      -----Original Message-----

      From: sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan=gmail.com@...

      [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan=gmail.com@...] On

      Behalf Of Eric Britton

      Sent: 13 June 2010 23:39

      To: Sustran-discuss@...

      Cc: 'CAF2'; 'HasireUsiru'



      If I may, and without intending any disrespect at all, I have read this

      announcement several times and at the end of it do not feel particularly

      optimistic about the changes it seems to promise.


      But to be frank I simply do not know enough to take this statement to take

      it apart item by item. That said, I would be an interested reader for anyone

      with more direct knowledge and a balanced perspective to do just that for

      the group.


      It is my position that these statements need to be read very very carefully.


      Thank you.


      Eric Britton




      Ministry of Urban Development   






          17:2 IST      The Union Minister of Urban Development, ShriJaipal

      Reddy has said that his Ministry has advised the States to make adequate

      provision for dedicated path for the pedestrians and cycle-users wherever

      roads are being built or widened.


      Addressing the Parliamentary Consultative Committee attached to his Ministry

      here today, ShriReddy also informed that the Centre is giving funds to the

      States under Jawaharlal Nehru NationalUrban Renewal Mission (JNNURM) for the

      constrution of footpaths and dedicated cycle lanes. He said that two pilot

      research projects for the scientific management of cycle rickshaws have been

      sanctioned for Delhi and Chandigarh.


      He said that the States are also being advised to promote public transport

      by integrating all the modes of transport. The Centre has sanctioned Bus

      Rapid Transport System (BRTS) for nine cities namely, Ahemdabad, Rajkot,

      Surat, Indore, Bhopal, Pune- PimpriChinchwad, Vijaywada, Vishakhapatnam and

      Jaipur at a cost of Rs. 4770 crore besides providing finance for 15,620 low

      floor buses for the 61 cities across the country to improve the urban

      transport , the minister informed.


      ShriReddy said that the States have also been advised to amend by-laws to

      make mandatory parking space for all commercial and residential properties

      and to set up dedicated transport authority to manage the traffic and also

      to introduce "traffic Information Magament Control Centres (TIMCC) using

      ITS. He said that under the JNNURM, his Ministry provides funds for

      multi-level parking complexes and assistance for setting up ITS.


      Participating in the discussion, Members emphasised the need of inclusion of

      small cities also under JNNURM schemes as development of smaller towns would

      help decongest the big cities in the long run. Some Members also raised the

      issue of proper compensation to the families of workers who lost their lives

      while working at the Metro Projects.


      The Members of Parliament who attended the Meeting were : S/Shri

      C.M.Chang,Ramesh kumar, P. Kumar, RatanSingh, Sanjay Dina Patil, Prahlad V.

      Joshi, Shivakumar C. Udasi, HukumdeoNarayanYadav, B.K. Hariprasad,

      PenumalliMadhu and SurendraMotilal Patel, VilasMuttemwar and J.P.




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