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  • Michael Yeates
    Brisbane City Council is currently building or promoting some A$10-15 billion of tunnels and bridges but at the same time has been closing Bus Lanes to
    Message 1 of 5 , Oct 15, 2009
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      Brisbane City Council is currently building or promoting some A$10-15
      billion of tunnels and bridges but at the same time has been closing
      "Bus Lanes" to convert them back to general traffic lanes.

      In amongst these huge and expensive facilities designed to reduce
      congestion, are two initiatives which in other situations,
      circumstances and/or contexts, might be "useful" ... but what do you think?

      Related information can be found from the same website ...

      http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/bccwr/_assets/main/lib818/transport_and_traffic_cityglider_and_citycycle_newsletter.pdf

      Michael Yeates
      Brisbane
      AUSTRALIA .................................
    • martin.strid@vv.se
      They look OK, but how are they financed? Sustainabilly? Was there a consciuos decision not to copy the paris Vélib model? Mvh #ЄЭ# Martin
      Message 2 of 5 , Oct 16, 2009
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        They look OK, but how are they financed? Sustainabilly?

        Was there a consciuos decision not to copy the paris Vélib model?

         

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        Brisbane City Council is currently building or promoting some A$10-15
        billion of tunnels and bridges but at the same time has been closing
        "Bus Lanes" to convert them back to general traffic lanes.

        In amongst these huge and expensive facilities designed to reduce
        congestion, are two initiatives which in other situations,
        circumstances and/or contexts, might be "useful" ... but what do you think?

        Related information can be found from the same website ...

        http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/bccwr/_assets/main/lib818/transport_and_traffic_cityglider_and_citycycle_newsletter.pdf

        Michael Yeates
        Brisbane
        AUSTRALIA .................................

      • Richard Layman
        Data from a presentation by Jeff Tumlin of Nelson Nygaard: Throughput of one mile of road lane for one hour Automobiles = 900 cars moving approx. 900 - 1800
        Message 3 of 5 , Oct 16, 2009
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          Data from a presentation by Jeff Tumlin of Nelson Nygaard:

          Throughput of one mile of road lane for one hour

          Automobiles = 900 cars moving approx. 900 - 1800 passengers/hour  (this is in a city setting.  On the highway with limited numbers of exits, the throughput ranges from 1600 to 2200 cars/hour)
          Traditional bus service = 6,250 passengers/hour
          Bus Rapid Transit = 10,000 passengers/hour
          Light Rail = 16,000 passengers/hour

          In a dense urban setting, this number can be 2 to 4 times higher with heavy rail, although typically such services are underground.


          --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Michael Yeates <michael@...> wrote:

          From: Michael Yeates <michael@...>
          Subject: WorldTransport Forum good initiatives ... or not?
          To: WorldTransport@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 1:34 AM

           

          Brisbane City Council is currently building or promoting some A$10-15
          billion of tunnels and bridges but at the same time has been closing
          "Bus Lanes" to convert them back to general traffic lanes.

          In amongst these huge and expensive facilities designed to reduce
          congestion, are two initiatives which in other situations,
          circumstances and/or contexts, might be "useful" ... but what do you think?

          Related information can be found from the same website ...

          http://www.brisbane .qld.gov. au/bccwr/ _assets/main/ lib818/transport _and_traffic_ cityglider_ and_citycycle_ newsletter. pdf

          Michael Yeates
          Brisbane
          AUSTRALIA ............ ......... ......... ...


        • martin.strid@vv.se
          And bikes? Were they not considered? Don’t worry, we’re used to it. Amike vin salutas #ЄЭ# Mehdi Martin Strid Teknika Sekcio (Sted) Laboreje: +46-243-755
          Message 4 of 5 , Oct 16, 2009
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            And bikes?

            Were they not considered?

            Don’t worry, we’re used to it.

            Amike vin salutas

            #ЄЭ#
            Mehdi Martin Strid
            Teknika Sekcio (Sted)

            Laboreje: +46-243-755 33
            Poŝe: +46-703-152 615 dum laboro

            Vägverket = Sveda ŝtata vojara administrejo
            SE - 781 87 Borlänge
            Röda vägen 1
            Svedujo
            www.vv.se
            Telefone +46-771-119 119
            Fakse +46-243-750 38

            Hejme:
            Platingatan 11
            SE - 784 73 Borlänge
            (buso 53 al vilaĝo Barkargärde, haltejo Stålgatan )
            martin.stridx@... (forigu ambaŭ iksojn)
            Telefone +46-243-124 80
            Poŝe +46-703 912 480 private

            Aŭtokooperativon: http://bilpolarna.se
            Persone: http://e-g.se/m2
            Tonsilabojn: http://www.tone.se

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            Data from a presentation by Jeff Tumlin of Nelson Nygaard:

            Throughput of one mile of road lane for one hour

            Automobiles = 900 cars moving approx. 900 - 1800 passengers/hour  (this is in a city setting.  On the highway with limited numbers of exits, the throughput ranges from 1600 to 2200 cars/hour)
            Traditional bus service = 6,250 passengers/hour
            Bus Rapid Transit = 10,000 passengers/hour
            Light Rail = 16,000 passengers/hour

            In a dense urban setting, this number can be 2 to 4 times higher with heavy rail, although typically such services are underground.


            --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Michael Yeates <michael@...> wrote:


            From: Michael Yeate s <michael@...>
            Subject: WorldTransport Forum good initiatives ... or not?
            To: WorldTransport@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 1:34 AM

             

            Brisbane City Council is currently building or promoting some A$10-15
            billion of tunnels and bridges but at the same time has been closing
            "Bus Lanes" to convert them back to general traffic lanes.

            In amongst these huge and expensive facilities designed to reduce
            congestion, are two initiatives which in other situations,
            circumstances and/or contexts, might be "useful" ... but what do you think?

            Related information can be found from the same website ...

            http://www.brisbane .qld.gov. au/bccwr/ _assets/main/ lib818/transport _and_traffic_ cityglider_ and_citycycle_ newsletter. pdf

            Michael Yeates
            Brisbane
            AUSTRALIA ............ ......... ......... ...

             

          • Richard Layman
            well, the U.S. is not the best place to generate information on high capacity bike use.  How about some data from Scandinavia and/or the Netherlands.   One
            Message 5 of 5 , Oct 16, 2009
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              well, the U.S. is not the best place to generate information on high capacity bike use.  How about some data from Scandinavia and/or the Netherlands.
               
              One graphic on mobility in Downtown DC that is 30 years old states things differently, in how many,how far, in one lane, in one hour, by mode: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rllayman/489961132/
               
              It states that 4,000 bicycles can move about 13 miles in one hour.
               
              RL



              --- On Fri, 10/16/09, martin.strid@... <martin.strid@...> wrote:

              From: martin.strid@... <martin.strid@...>
              Subject: SV: WorldTransport Forum good initiatives ... or not?
              To: WorldTransport@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 7:38 AM

               

              And bikes?

              Were they not considered?

              Don’t worry, we’re used to it.

              Amike vin salutas

              #ЄЭ#
              Mehdi Martin Strid
              Teknika Sekcio (Sted)

              Laboreje: +46-243-755 33
              Poŝe: +46-703-152 615 dum laboro

              Vägverket = Sveda ŝtata vojara administrejo
              SE - 781 87 Borlänge
              Röda vägen 1
              Svedujo
              www.vv.se
              Telefone +46-771-119 119
              Fakse +46-243-750 38

              Hejme:
              Platingatan 11
              SE - 784 73 Borlänge
              (buso 53 al vilaĝo Barkargärde, haltejo Stålgatan )
              martin.stridx@ xgmail.com (forigu ambaŭ iksojn)
              Telefone +46-243-124 80
              Poŝe +46-703 912 480 private

              Aŭtokooperativon: http://bilpolarna. se
              Persone: http://e-g.se/ m2
              Tonsilabojn: http://www.tone. se

                   ¸..¸         ¸..¸      ¸..¸         ¸.
              ´´·.¸¸.·´¯` ·.¸¸.·´´·.¸¸.·´¯` ·.¸
              ·´´·.¸ ><((((º>·.¸¸.··.¸¸.·´´·.¸¸.
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              Från: WorldTransport@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:WorldTransp ort@yahoogroups. com] För Richard Layman
              Skickat: den 16 oktober 2009 11:35
              Till: WorldTransport@ yahoogroups. com
              Ämne: Re: WorldTransport Forum good initiatives ... or not?

               

               


              From: Michael Yeate s <michael@yeatesit. biz>
              Subject: WorldTransport Forum good initiatives ... or not?
              To: WorldTransport@ yahoogroups. com
              Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 1:34 AM

               

              Brisbane City Council is currently building or promoting some A$10-15
              billion of tunnels and bridges but at the same time has been closing
              "Bus Lanes" to convert them back to general traffic lanes.

              In amongst these huge and expensive facilities designed to reduce
              congestion, are two initiatives which in other situations,
              circumstances and/or contexts, might be "useful" ... but what do you think?

              Related information can be found from the same website ...

              http://www.brisbane .qld.gov. au/bccwr/ _assets/main/ lib818/transport _and_traffic_ cityglider_ and_citycycle_ newsletter. pdf

              Michael Yeates
              Brisbane
              AUSTRALIA ............ ......... ......... ...

              Data from a presentation by Jeff Tumlin of Nelson Nygaard:

              Throughput of one mile of road lane for one hour

              Automobiles = 900 cars moving approx. 900 - 1800 passengers/hour  (this is in a city setting.  On the highway with limited numbers of exits, the throughput ranges from 1600 to 2200 cars/hour)
              Traditional bus service = 6,250 passengers/hour
              Bus Rapid Transit = 10,000 passengers/hour
              Light Rail = 16,000 passengers/hour

              In a dense urban setting, this number can be 2 to 4 times higher with heavy rail, although typically such services are underground.


              --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Michael Yeates <michael@yeatesit. biz> wrote:

               


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