- No one is saying mail cannot be delivered without a zip code, but it does speed automatic handling of mail and requires fewer people tasks. If they have toMessage 1 of 155 , Oct 27, 2011View SourceNo one is saying mail cannot be delivered without a zip code, but it does speed automatic handling of mail and requires fewer people tasks. If they have to manually sort all the mail it will only be reflected in fewer services and higher postal rates.. something which is already happening in the USA even as we speak.Andres
From: Louis ... <louis.ny2001@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
1.3 Address Elements[10-3-11] All mail not bearing a simplified address must bear a delivery address that contains at least the following elements in this order from the top line:b. Private mailbox designator (“PMB” or alternative “#”) and number if the mailpiece is addressed to a commercial mail receiving agency (CMRA) address.c. Street and number. (Include the apartment number, or use the Post Office box number, or general delivery, or rural route or highway contract route designation and box number, as applicable.)d. City and state (or state abbreviation). The city is any acceptable mailing name for the 5-digit ZIP Code serving the intended recipient as shown in the USPS City State Product.1. ZIP Codes are required on Express Mail, commercial First-Class Mail, First-Class Package Service, Periodicals, Standard Mail, Package Services and Parcel Select mailpieces, all mail sent to military addresses within the United States and to APO and FPO addresses, official mail, Business Reply Mail, and merchandise return service mail.2. Unless required above, ZIP Codes may be omitted from single-piece price First-Class Mail (including Priority Mail), single-piece price Parcel Post, and pieces bearing a simplified address.The above is an excerpt from THEIR OWN RULEBOOKS.
Now notice #2 ( I highlighted it in blue )"ZIP Codes may be omitted from single-piece price First-Class Mail..." etc...
And the very first line at the top of this post is the link to the rules of the USPS.
THIS is how I speak and post.
Every time I post something, I back up my statements with law, case-law, statutes, codes, and other such evidence.
I'm NOT here to give opinions on anything.
--- On Sun, 10/23/11, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] zipcodes
Date: Sunday, October 23, 2011, 11:04 PMlouis.ny2001@... sendis:
> Call up the USPS and ask them one question:
> "If I don't place a ZIP CODE on a letter, will the letter get to its
> That's all. Just ask that. Don't talk about other stuff.
Louis, this is the worldcitizen-list. Please get your USA-head around
the concept "rest of the world"....
I don't deal with USPS. Here in the netherlands, postal codes are used
to not let mail go to the wrong village. There's 4 digits that
indicate the village (15.000 inhabitants) and two blockletters to
indicate the part of the street. Digits and blockletters CAN be read
by machines. Postal delivery people have their load presorted street
by street, by a machine. I know because a friend of mine delivers mail.
In the former soviet union, those machines were less sophisticated,
but they used envelopes with pre-indicated digits:you just had to make
the right indicated lines thicker to create numbers that evn a simple
machine can read.
In the netherlands, most mail will be delivered even without postcode,
but if you send it to
places like beek, elst, rossum, beuningen without the postal code, it
will be sent to 9999, where postal personell may open it (!!) to
determine where it should go.
I germany the postal code is just 5 digits.
Now you can put people in your killfile, or accuse them of being
stupid or peons, but that does NOT constitute backing up your claim
that the zipcode is evil.
- Quite correct. All of those ism s are all the same nonsense but with slightly different names. Problem is most people have this deep need and desire toMessage 155 of 155 , Aug 2, 2012View Source
Quite correct. All of those "ism's" are all the same nonsense but with slightly different names. Problem is most people have this deep need and desire to have their stuff done for them and to be taken care of and protected. So they'll clamor for one of those "ism's" to take care of them. And those people are the TRUE SLAVES (all caps for emphasis only).
This is why I just skim over most posts on this site. I barely pay any attention to posts here from several people (and they know who they are) since they've been on this site for years and are usually the ones posting up and enjoy posting a bunch of self glorified nonsense.
I do take interest in posts from new people to see what good info and insights they may bring in to share.
--- On Fri, 7/27/12, Jan Treat <snowblindinfinity@...> wrote:
From: Jan Treat <snowblindinfinity@...>
Subject: [WorldCitizen] Re: Democracy: was zipcodes (Correction)
To: "WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com" <WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 11:51 PMDemocracy, Communism, Totalitarianism, this ism, that ism, it is all the same shyte.It is all based on a few or a majority of people telling others what they can or cannot do.Reality is I have a right to do whatever I want so long as it doesn't harm other people.Problem is one must often defend one's rights to the death, which sort of kills any idea of enjoyment.Governments are created to protect our rights, not dictate them, regulate, legislate or sell them out.