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Re: [WorldCitizen] Thoughts and ideas vs ideas and thoughts i.e. Philosophy of Peace.

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  • Brian Reidy
    Hi Mike, Your thoughts are same as mine, Was in Phils too and find the folks there as happy as anyone else. Good to see your writing. Congrats, Murray,
    Message 1 of 37 , May 28, 2010
      Hi Mike, Your thoughts are same as mine, Was in Phils too and find the folks there as happy as anyone else. Good to see your writing. Congrats, Murray, Australia


      From: Mike <onquest@...>
      To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 11:31:17 AM
      Subject: [WorldCitizen] Thoughts and ideas vs ideas and thoughts i.e. Philosophy of Peace.

       



      Hello Everyone .. long time no talk :).

      I will try to organize my thoughts into something commonly recognizable as Logic and Thought. Trying to get ideas from my head to someone elses i have always found to be a challenge. Since we are restricted to the use of words and what i say and what you hear are two different things.
      I am still rather young yet.. and certainly not as well read or educated as many on this list. Formal education for me ended at 3 years of college... but it taught me how to think and how to research. In my years since college ive been through evangelism school more than once... and various "renewal" movement retreats.
      Because of this history of mine... I know that true Christianity exists. However those that have been exposed to it are too busy trying to keep body and soul together to really have time to follow it I think. Or at least thats their excuse because so many are materialistic and always want that bigger car, bigger house etc. I examined my own life in relation to these thoughts. Really why was i doing what i was doing? Work so the oil companies could sell gasoline. Work so that the grocery store could sell food, and so the car dealer could sell a car etc. The way i used to live thats all i was accomplishing was survival and some creature comforts.
      In my travels in the Philippines i had seen very poor people .. that had some of the biggest smiles ive ever seen.. truly happy and not concerned about things... just trusting God as that is all they could do. I remember my time in the army in desert shield/storm. The happiest i had ever been was when all i had to my name was on my road grader. A duffle bag strapped to the Grader and my ruck sack , case of mre's and a 5 gallon jug of water, all i would need for several days if i got separated from the unit.
      War was the dumbest thing i have ever seen. Till i saw it up close i never really understood the senselessness of it. It took me years to process the things i saw. I have done alot of thinking about what is really important in life. For me a simple life is best. It gives me time to think and research.
      Live simply so others may simply live. I am hoping to reach the point where i can help others more. Right now im just taking care of my wife and her parents... and sometimes a nephew. My wife, mother in law and nephew pretty much make sure we have ice to sell. My wife runs the cf wellness business which is a mlm natural products company here in the Philippines. If things continue to go well I hope to be able to do more... But not for myself as all i need is a roof over my head.. and food on the table and love. These i have. I want to help those that do not have enough food, or not enough cloths etc.

      My conclusions so far are that those that are thinking men and women can be led to see the senselessness of the life they lead. Those that are not thinking men and women will continue on the way they are .. no matter what we say or do. So Those of us that see with our eyes and hear with our ears.. must teach whoever will listen and change the world one person at a time. We are very close to making changes i think, as people are waking up.
      Those of you that see and live in western countries, try to live more simply, question what you really need. Maybe you wont feel it necessary to follow my steps... But maybe you can live in a smaller less expensive house, and drive a smaller more gas economy car. The money you save, put half in the bank, the other half do something good with it. Give it to a food pantry, or a soup kitchen.
      The one with the most toys does not "win".

      As usual .. im unsure i have successfully gotten the idea in my head into words... i rambled, was interrupted here a couple times. But i hope i managed to make at least some sense :). Nothing is wrong with the world but what is between our ears.

      Mike Jansen from the nipa hut in whats left of the jungle.

      --- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Shepherd" <gshepher@...> wrote:
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      > Hi
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      > I wonder if it would be possible to convince people that the 'enemy' is actually our own social disunity. As Pogo said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
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      > World Peace and Unity,
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      > Gary
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      > From: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anton
      > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 6:22 AM
      > To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [WorldCitizen] Re: Major article about Anerican militias
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      > Dear Jim,
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      > Do not try to explain them wat their mistake is. Give them another sense for their lives.
      > Yes, calling Obama "anti-Christ" is just a political wordplay. I hear it from time to time. But there should be three catastrophes destroying a third of the biosphere prior. I don't believe to have missde some universal disaster last night. So, it's not a time for antichrist to come.
      > But - what are all the rational arguments and citations compared with natural instincts? It's obvious but true: people need an enemy to keep themselves social. People believe any stupid statement to simplify the world. The most attractive simplification is to find an enemy and to give a sense for life in beating an enemy instead of complicated daily routine. What we see in case of Hutaree is elementary socialisation instincts. Anything rational is useeless here.
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      > Sincerely,
      > anton
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      > --- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com <mailto:WorldCitizen%40yahoogroups.com> , "jfnewell7" <jfnewell7@> wrote:
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      > > Here is a description of the anti-Christ from the Bible, the book of Revelations. The description is not at all like President Obama.
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      > > Note that "eth" is a verb form no longer current. Nevertheless, the King James version is probably more reliable because the translators had a higher level of faith than scholars do now, and were not trying to propagandize, as is not so common.
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      > > Rev. 13:6-17: "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, the them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him to over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth: and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth, and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image of the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And her had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads. And that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. "
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      > > Fundamentalist Christians claim that they take the Bible literally, and if that is true, then President Obama is way different from the description above. If, contrary to their normal claim, Fundamentalist Christians are interpreting Revelations in a metaphorical way, in order to say that President Obama is the anti-Christ, then there is a problem. One can force a metaphor in any direction one likes, so the interpretation of Revelations could be metaphorically interpreted to apply to anyone in the world. Why then would President Obama necessarily be the anti-Christ. The anti-Christ could just as well be one's neighbor, or the minister of one's church, or an actor, or a corporate executive, or anyone.
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      > > Jim
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      > > --- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com <mailto:WorldCitizen%40yahoogroups.com> , Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@> wrote:
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      > > > For those who are not Christian, I should have explained that "The Anti-Christ" does not mean something Anti-Christian or Anti-American.� It refers to a specific (perhaps mythological) figure who will appear shortly before Armageddon and set himself up as "King of The World"� forcing everyone to have his mark or insignia even to buy food.� This person would unite races and cross racial barriers, unite all religions of the world into one and create a supposed utopia.
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      > > > Americans have always depicted anyone who is an enemy of America as "Evil" and during World� Wars 1 and 2, the Kaiser and later Hitler were often drawn, sporting a Devils horns and tail� LOL� Bush epitomized Saddam Hussein as "Evil" but never called him "The Anti-Christ".
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      > > > Some people who are saying these things point out that President Obama has crossed Racial lines and because of his childhood background in a Muslim country, and Presently being Christian, may want to unite the world's religions as one.� The question of his birth certificate adds to the fervor because some believe the true Antichrist may have an unusual birth situation as did Christ.
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      > > > Of course this is REACTIONARY and people base it on the concepts of spiritual things they were taught.� It detracts from the focus of the present effort to invoke "change", however even loyal followers are concerned that Obama may be trying to change too much, too fast at too great a cost.
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      > > > Andres
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      > > > --- On Fri, 5/7/10, anton <amalkin@> wrote:
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      > > > From: anton <amalkin@>
      > > > Subject: [WorldCitizen] Re: Major article about Anerican militias
      > > > To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com <mailto:WorldCitizen%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 4:52 AM
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      > > > Up to me, this militia is a good and cosequent follower of Busch fundamentalistic policy. They are trying to beat "anti-Christ" - nice wordplay, isn't it? Yesterday Saddam or Bin Laden were positioned as antichrist, today Obama - what's the difference? If an "enemy" should be bombed outside of country, why they shouldn't do the same within?
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      > > > Well, the foreighn policy of the last decades just blows back.
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      > > > I think, we got a good lesson. Time of doubled policies and splitted ethics for "inside" and "outside" is gone. This time we see a bundle of naive but armed rednecks, what comes next?
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      > > > --- In WorldCitizen@ yahoogroups. com, Daniel Branch <dbranch.branch@ ...> wrote:
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      > > > > Personally,I' m not surprised at the sudden rise in membership of these
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      > > > > militia groups.There are many people in this country,who are
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      > > > > uncomfortable with the idea of having an African-American as President
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      > > > > of the United States.That' s what these militia groups are about.That's
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      > > > > what the Birther movement is about.And,that' s what the Tea Party
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      > > > > movement is about.It's a negative reaction towards the first Black
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      > > > > American President.
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      > > > > On 4/30/10, jodemas2 <jodemas2@ .> wrote:
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      > > > > > --- In WorldCitizen@ yahoogroups. com, "jfnewell7" <jfnewell7@> wrote:
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      > > > > > > It is very rare to see a news media article with four reporters and two editors, and the report below was a Yahoo news feed article from Reuters, which is the major German based news syndicate. The numbers are different from the previous article I posted, which might mean that the Southern Poverty Law Center is counting some groups not counted in this report, or their estimate might be too high. Again, it is the rapid growth that is important. The growth, for the Reuters article, was a quadrupling in number of groups since 2008. There is also some sophistication in their organization, like the set of codes being carried around by the featured leader being used as an example.
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      > > > > > I'd take that SPLC Report with a large grain of salt.
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      > > > > > "I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is through world government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
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      > > > > > For more information: www.worldservice. org and info@
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    • anton
      Yes, but the numbers and other stuff come later. First of all, there should be a fire mountain falling into the ocean and destroying a third of ships and
      Message 37 of 37 , Jun 2, 2010
        Yes, but the numbers and other stuff come later. First of all, there should be a "fire mountain" falling into the ocean and destroying a third of ships and fishes.
        When an oil disaster in gulf of mexico will cover 40% of osean surface, as it is promised in the next year, <u>and</u> an asteroid falls from heaven and burns it - then we should take a look at what comes next. And even then we will have a little time to think about.

        I am going to sleep well tonight.

        Sincerely,
        Anton

        --- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
        >
        > ima_very_cool_cowboy@... sendis:
        >
        > >> He will institute government programs that threaten individual
        > >> freedom or take away some measure of individual choice.  For years
        > >> I heard the social security number being proclaimed as the mark of
        > >> the beast.  Now it is "Real ID" and the health care plan. 
        >
        > wasn't there something about " the number without which noone can buy
        > or sell"?
        > sounds like bankaccount and PIN-number to me....
        >
        > > I will close with this anecdote.
        > >
        > > I had been invited to give a short talk to a church about the
        > > humanitarian work i have done in missions with different
        > > denominations.  At the close of my short talk an elderly lady came
        > > forward to shake my hand.
        > >
        > > "I am so glad to see you use the King James Bible", she said. 
        > > "That's God's Book you know!  Its the book Jesus Used!  That's why
        > > all his words are in there in RED!" 
        >
        > yeah. like jesus spoke english... strange folk them merkins..
        >
        > groetjes, Ronaldo
        >
        >
        >
        > --
        > http://www.esperanto.net
        >
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