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  • Andres Espino
    Dear Michael, There are more than one website or concept regarding world government, but the WSA has been a responsible organization since 1953.  I also do
    Message 1 of 7 , Feb 4, 2010
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      Dear Michael,

      There are more than one website or concept regarding world government, but the WSA has been a responsible organization since 1953. 

      I also do not have a US Passport and there are thousands of stateless people in the world, so you are far from alone.   When I was young some people never had Birth Certificates.  Some like me were born at home.  They had a hospital certificate, or midwife certificate or even a church baptismal certificate.  We used to be able to get a drivers license or SS card with only these. Now these have been declared invalid ID.
       

      This all prompted me to Join the World Service Authority.. the previous designation for World Government of World Citizens. 
      Since September 11th thousands of Americans have been disenfranchised by the US Homeland Security demands for people to have "Real ID"

      I recommend you visit the WSA website at http://www.worldgovernment.org/  and read everything especially the FAQ pages.  I recommend the Book by the founder Garry Davis "MY COUNTRY IS THE WORLD "
      http://www.worldgovernment.org/cat.html?s=4#books

      Originally the WSA began as an effort to get everyone in the world to respect the United Nations Universal declaration of Human Rights passed in  December 1948.  http://www.worldgovernment.org/udhr.html


      You will likely find in that declaration many reinforcement for yours and your father's beliefs.. including that people should be able to travel where they want, work where they want at what they choose and should receive equal respect as persons... and be left alone.

      Joining the World Government of World Citizens or WSA is to make a statement that you believe in this declaration yourself and in the freedom and rights of the individual world wide.  WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power.


      The first action WSA did was to issue a World Passport which urged every country to allow free travel as promised by that UN Declaration (which most of them signed).  Since 1953 over 150 countries have allowed people to travel with it on a case-by-case basis... and 8 countries or jurisdictions have recognized it formally.

      NOW WE ALL KNOW that this World Passport is controversial.. and not accepted everywhere or in every case.  But it remains the best alternative to a passport issued by some country ot the one issued by the UN to its employees and volunteers. I got it because I have nothing else myself.


      Also when you join WSA, the organization uses part of its income to help thousands of refugees and stateless persons around the world with a passport to travel and to escape war torn areas.

      AGAIN..the  WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power, but more of an effort to try and convince all the existing nation states to work together more cooperatively for the benefit of each individual's Universal Human Rights.

      IF every country followed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights completely as passed, (Including the USA which often also ignores it), than all the countries of the world could cooperate... just as states of the USA cooperate together under one government and purpose. The Universal declaration of Human Rights would function much like the US Constitution guarantees rights to individuals in the USA (well supposed to).

      Whether Republic, Democracy, or Socialism.
      . There would be no problem if everyone was guaranteed the same Human Rights across the board.  Freedom of travel would also allow people to settle down in areas where local or regional government is more to their liking.  I call it "vote with your feet".  Don't like new York?  Move to Idaho...  Don't like the USA?  You should (according to that declaration) be able to go anywhere you like better... Australia, France or Brazil etc.

      So whether or not you join WSA, you can participate in this discussion forum, but if you do join, then you make a stand for everyone to have equal rights before the law everywhere in the world.

      Kindest Regards,

      Andrew




      --- On Tue, 2/2/10, michael_starks@... <michael_starks@...> wrote:

      From: michael_starks@... <michael_starks@...>
      Subject: [WorldCitizen] just a ?
      To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 10:07 AM

       

      my father was into serious freemason and nwo stuff years before i was born,as a result he did not ever get me a ssn or ever involve me with anything concerning listing or labeling me with any goverment agencie or attaching a nuber to my name.i have paid the price for this my whole life.i am 29 and i have never had a drivers l or anything else other people have.some people say have all rights ass everyone else and in a sence have even more rights,i dont see it!so the ? is nowing where i come from and what types of beliefs i oviously have about our goverment and where they are trying to take us,is the world citizen movement something i should be involved in and why?


    • michael_starks@rocketmail.com
      thanks alot,i m having a ton of problems i ve never had before,i have always worked with family and was payed cash,since our latest economic fall i am left out
      Message 2 of 7 , Feb 18, 2010
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        thanks alot,i'm having a ton of problems i've never had before,i have always worked with family and was payed cash,since our latest economic fall i am left out of work.i guess i've just been lucky so far,but that luck is begining to run out!thanks for taking the time to respond!

        --- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
        >
        > Dear Michael,
        >
        > There are more than one website or concept regarding world government, but the WSA has been a responsible organization since 1953. 
        >
        > I also do not have a US Passport and there are thousands of stateless people in the world, so you are far from alone.   When I was young some people never had Birth Certificates.  Some like me were born at home.  They had a hospital certificate, or midwife certificate or even a church baptismal certificate.  We used to be able to get a drivers license or SS card with only these. Now these have been declared invalid ID. 
        >
        > This all prompted me to Join the World Service Authority.. the previous designation for World Government of World Citizens.  Since September 11th thousands of Americans have been
        > disenfranchised by the US Homeland Security demands for people to have
        > "Real ID"
        >
        > I recommend you visit the WSA website at http://www.worldgovernment.org/%c3%82%c2%a0 and read everything especially the FAQ pages.  I recommend the Book by the founder Garry Davis "MY COUNTRY IS THE WORLD
        > "
        > http://www.worldgovernment.org/cat.html?s=4#books
        >
        > Originally the WSA began as an effort to get everyone in the world to respect the United Nations Universal declaration of Human Rights passed in  December 1948.  http://www.worldgovernment.org/udhr.html
        >
        > You will likely find in that declaration many reinforcement for yours and your father's beliefs.. including that people should be able to travel where they want, work where they want at what they choose and should receive equal respect as persons... and be left alone.
        >
        > Joining the World Government of World Citizens or WSA is to make a statement that you believe in this declaration yourself and in the freedom and rights of the individual world wide.  WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power.
        >
        > The first action WSA did was to issue a World Passport which urged every country to allow free travel as promised by that UN Declaration (which most of them signed).  Since 1953 over 150 countries have allowed people to travel with it on a case-by-case basis... and 8 countries or jurisdictions have recognized it formally.
        >
        > NOW WE ALL KNOW that this World Passport is controversial.. and not accepted everywhere or in every case.  But it remains the best alternative to a passport issued by some country ot the one issued by the UN to its employees and volunteers. I got it because I have nothing else myself.
        >
        > Also when you join WSA, the organization uses part of its income to help thousands of refugees and stateless persons around the world with a passport to travel and to escape war torn areas.
        >
        > AGAIN..the  WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power, but more of an effort to try and convince all the existing nation states to work together more cooperatively for the benefit of each individual's Universal Human Rights.
        >
        > IF every country followed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights completely as passed, (Including the USA which often also ignores it), than all the countries of the world could cooperate... just as states of the USA cooperate together under one government and purpose. The Universal declaration of Human Rights would function much like the US Constitution guarantees rights to individuals in the USA (well supposed to).
        >
        > Whether Republic, Democracy, or Socialism.. There would be no problem if everyone was guaranteed the same Human Rights across the board.  Freedom of travel would also allow people to settle down in areas where local or regional government is more to their liking.  I call it "vote with your feet".  Don't like new York?  Move to Idaho...  Don't like the USA?  You should (according to that declaration) be able to go anywhere you like better... Australia, France or Brazil etc.
        >
        > So whether or not you join WSA, you can participate in this discussion forum, but if you do join, then you make a stand for everyone to have equal rights before the law everywhere in the world.
        >
        > Kindest Regards,
        >
        > Andrew
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, michael_starks@... <michael_starks@...> wrote:
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        > From: michael_starks@... <michael_starks@...>
        > Subject: [WorldCitizen] just a ?
        > To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 10:07 AM
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        > my father was into serious freemason and nwo stuff years before i was born,as a result he did not ever get me a ssn or ever involve me with anything concerning listing or labeling me with any goverment agencie or attaching a nuber to my name.i have paid the price for this my whole life.i am 29 and i have never had a drivers l or anything else other people have.some people say have all rights ass everyone else and in a sence have even more rights,i dont see it!so the ? is nowing where i come from and what types of beliefs i oviously have about our goverment and where they are trying to take us,is the world citizen movement something i should be involved in and why?
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      • Bryan D
        Andy and Mike.... check out this info let me know what you think http://sovereignfamily.ning.com/forum/topics/how-to-establish-your
        Message 3 of 7 , Feb 21, 2010
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          Andy and Mike.... check out this info let me know what you think

          http://sovereignfamily.ning.com/forum/topics/how-to-establish-your




          From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
          To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 11:50:12 PM
          Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] just a ?

           

          Dear Michael,

          There are more than one website or concept regarding world government, but the WSA has been a responsible organization since 1953. 

          I also do not have a US Passport and there are thousands of stateless people in the world, so you are far from alone.   When I was young some people never had Birth Certificates.  Some like me were born at home.  They had a hospital certificate, or midwife certificate or even a church baptismal certificate.  We used to be able to get a drivers license or SS card with only these. Now these have been declared invalid ID.
           

          This all prompted me to Join the World Service Authority.. the previous designation for World Government of World Citizens. 
          Since September 11th thousands of Americans have been disenfranchised by the US Homeland Security demands for people to have "Real ID"

          I recommend you visit the WSA website at http://www.worldgovernment.org/  and read everything especially the FAQ pages.  I recommend the Book by the founder Garry Davis "MY COUNTRY IS THE WORLD "
          http://www.worldgov ernment.org/ cat.html? s=4#books

          Originally the WSA began as an effort to get everyone in the world to respect the United Nations Universal declaration of Human Rights passed in  December 1948.  http://www.worldgovernment.org/udhr.html


          You will likely find in that declaration many reinforcement for yours and your father's beliefs.. including that people should be able to travel where they want, work where they want at what they choose and should receive equal respect as persons... and be left alone.

          Joining the World Government of World Citizens or WSA is to make a statement that you believe in this declaration yourself and in the freedom and rights of the individual world wide.  WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power.


          The first action WSA did was to issue a World Passport which urged every country to allow free travel as promised by that UN Declaration (which most of them signed).  Since 1953 over 150 countries have allowed people to travel with it on a case-by-case basis... and 8 countries or jurisdictions have recognized it formally.

          NOW WE ALL KNOW that this World Passport is controversial. . and not accepted everywhere or in every case.  But it remains the best alternative to a passport issued by some country ot the one issued by the UN to its employees and volunteers. I got it because I have nothing else myself.


          Also when you join WSA, the organization uses part of its income to help thousands of refugees and stateless persons around the world with a passport to travel and to escape war torn areas.

          AGAIN..the  WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power, but more of an effort to try and convince all the existing nation states to work together more cooperatively for the benefit of each individual's Universal Human Rights.

          IF every country followed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights completely as passed, (Including the USA which often also ignores it), than all the countries of the world could cooperate... just as states of the USA cooperate together under one government and purpose. The Universal declaration of Human Rights would function much like the US Constitution guarantees rights to individuals in the USA (well supposed to).

          Whether Republic, Democracy, or Socialism.
          . There would be no problem if everyone was guaranteed the same Human Rights across the board.  Freedom of travel would also allow people to settle down in areas where local or regional government is more to their liking.  I call it "vote with your feet".  Don't like new York?  Move to Idaho...  Don't like the USA?  You should (according to that declaration) be able to go anywhere you like better... Australia, France or Brazil etc.

          So whether or not you join WSA, you can participate in this discussion forum, but if you do join, then you make a stand for everyone to have equal rights before the law everywhere in the world.

          Kindest Regards,

          Andrew




          --- On Tue, 2/2/10, michael_starks@ rocketmail. com <michael_starks@ rocketmail. com> wrote:

          From: michael_starks@ rocketmail. com <michael_starks@ rocketmail. com>
          Subject: [WorldCitizen] just a ?
          To: WorldCitizen@ yahoogroups. com
          Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 10:07 AM

           

          my father was into serious freemason and nwo stuff years before i was born,as a result he did not ever get me a ssn or ever involve me with anything concerning listing or labeling me with any goverment agencie or attaching a nuber to my name.i have paid the price for this my whole life.i am 29 and i have never had a drivers l or anything else other people have.some people say have all rights ass everyone else and in a sence have even more rights,i dont see it!so the ? is nowing where i come from and what types of beliefs i oviously have about our goverment and where they are trying to take us,is the world citizen movement something i should be involved in and why?



        • jfnewell7
          Do you have skills with your hands. If so, you might consider trying a craft. Museum quality miniatures (collectible doll furniture) might be one possibility.
          Message 4 of 7 , Mar 2, 2010
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            Do you have skills with your hands. If so, you might consider trying a craft.

            Museum quality miniatures (collectible doll furniture) might be one possibility. They could sell for several hundred dollars each if they were good enough, and very little raw material would be needed, keeping expenses down.

            Something that would require more capital, so you would have to go together with a number of people, would be movies of attractive places which could be projected onto a large screen by people using their exercise bicycles or treadmills. These would not be all that expensive to produce, as it would only be necessary to slowly move the the camera from one place to another for an hour or so. It would require travel to various attractive locations, plus adequate reproduction equipment. Distribution could be via Internet sales. With something like an 8 foot by 8 foot screen in front of an individual, someone exercising could feel like he or she were actually riding through a scenic area, or an exciting beach front area, or something like Venice, etc.

            You could also get everyone you know to try to think up additional possible ways of earning money for you to consider.

            Jim

            --- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "michael_starks@..." <michael_starks@...> wrote:
            >
            > thanks alot,i'm having a ton of problems i've never had before,i have always worked with family and was payed cash,since our latest economic fall i am left out of work.i guess i've just been lucky so far,but that luck is begining to run out!thanks for taking the time to respond!
            >
            > --- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Dear Michael,
            > >
            > > There are more than one website or concept regarding world government, but the WSA has been a responsible organization since 1953.Â
            > >
            > > I also do not have a US Passport and there are thousands of stateless people in the world, so you are far from alone.  When I was young some people never had Birth Certificates. Some like me were born at home. They had a hospital certificate, or midwife certificate or even a church baptismal certificate. We used to be able to get a drivers license or SS card with only these. Now these have been declared invalid ID.Â
            > >
            > > This all prompted me to Join the World Service Authority.. the previous designation for World Government of World Citizens. Since September 11th thousands of Americans have been
            > > disenfranchised by the US Homeland Security demands for people to have
            > > "Real ID"
            > >
            > > I recommend you visit the WSA website at http://www.worldgovernment.org/%c3%82 and read everything especially the FAQ pages. I recommend the Book by the founder Garry Davis "MY COUNTRY IS THE WORLD
            > > "
            > > http://www.worldgovernment.org/cat.html?s=4#books
            > >
            > > Originally the WSA began as an effort to get everyone in the world to respect the United Nations Universal declaration of Human Rights passed in December 1948. http://www.worldgovernment.org/udhr.html
            > >
            > > You will likely find in that declaration many reinforcement for yours and your father's beliefs.. including that people should be able to travel where they want, work where they want at what they choose and should receive equal respect as persons... and be left alone.
            > >
            > > Joining the World Government of World Citizens or WSA is to make a statement that you believe in this declaration yourself and in the freedom and rights of the individual world wide. WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power.
            > >
            > > The first action WSA did was to issue a World Passport which urged every country to allow free travel as promised by that UN Declaration (which most of them signed). Since 1953 over 150 countries have allowed people to travel with it on a case-by-case basis... and 8 countries or jurisdictions have recognized it formally.
            > >
            > > NOW WE ALL KNOW that this World Passport is controversial.. and not accepted everywhere or in every case. But it remains the best alternative to a passport issued by some country ot the one issued by the UN to its employees and volunteers. I got it because I have nothing else myself.
            > >
            > > Also when you join WSA, the organization uses part of its income to help thousands of refugees and stateless persons around the world with a passport to travel and to escape war torn areas.
            > >
            > > AGAIN..the WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power, but more of an effort to try and convince all the existing nation states to work together more cooperatively for the benefit of each individual's Universal Human Rights.
            > >
            > > IF every country followed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights completely as passed, (Including the USA which often also ignores it), than all the countries of the world could cooperate... just as states of the USA cooperate together under one government and purpose. The Universal declaration of Human Rights would function much like the US Constitution guarantees rights to individuals in the USA (well supposed to).
            > >
            > > Whether Republic, Democracy, or Socialism.. There would be no problem if everyone was guaranteed the same Human Rights across the board. Freedom of travel would also allow people to settle down in areas where local or regional government is more to their liking. I call it "vote with your feet". Don't like new York? Move to Idaho... Don't like the USA? You should (according to that declaration) be able to go anywhere you like better... Australia, France or Brazil etc.
            > >
            > > So whether or not you join WSA, you can participate in this discussion forum, but if you do join, then you make a stand for everyone to have equal rights before the law everywhere in the world.
            > >
            > > Kindest Regards,
            > >
            > > Andrew
            > >
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            > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, michael_starks@ <michael_starks@> wrote:
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            > > From: michael_starks@ <michael_starks@>
            > > Subject: [WorldCitizen] just a ?
            > > To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
            > > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 10:07 AM
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            > > my father was into serious freemason and nwo stuff years before i was born,as a result he did not ever get me a ssn or ever involve me with anything concerning listing or labeling me with any goverment agencie or attaching a nuber to my name.i have paid the price for this my whole life.i am 29 and i have never had a drivers l or anything else other people have.some people say have all rights ass everyone else and in a sence have even more rights,i dont see it!so the ? is nowing where i come from and what types of beliefs i oviously have about our goverment and where they are trying to take us,is the world citizen movement something i should be involved in and why?
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          • Andres Espino
            Dear Michael, I Understand!  I am going through much of the same things myself.  You are welcome to also correspond with me off group at  ima_very_cool_
            Message 5 of 7 , Mar 2, 2010
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              Dear Michael,

              I Understand!  I am going through much of the same things myself.  You are welcome to also correspond with me off group at  ima_very_cool_ cowboy[at]yahoo[dot]com

              Andrew



              --- On Thu, 2/18/10, michael_starks@... <michael_starks@...> wrote:

              From: michael_starks@... <michael_starks@...>
              Subject: [WorldCitizen] Re: just a ?
              To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:24 PM

               

              thanks alot,i'm having a ton of problems i've never had before,i have always worked with family and was payed cash,since our latest economic fall i am left out of work.i guess i've just been lucky so far,but that luck is begining to run out!thanks for taking the time to respond!

              --- In WorldCitizen@ yahoogroups. com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_ cowboy@.. .> wrote:
              >
              > Dear Michael,
              >
              > There are more than one website or concept regarding world government, but the WSA has been a responsible organization since 1953. 
              >
              > I also do not have a US Passport and there are thousands of stateless people in the world, so you are far from alone.   When I was young some people never had Birth Certificates.  Some like me were born at home.  They had a hospital certificate, or midwife certificate or even a church baptismal certificate.  We used to be able to get a drivers license or SS card with only these. Now these have been declared invalid ID. 
              >
              > This all prompted me to Join the World Service Authority.. the previous designation for World Government of World Citizens.  Since September 11th thousands of Americans have been
              > disenfranchised by the US Homeland Security demands for people to have
              > "Real ID"
              >
              > I recommend you visit the WSA website at http://www.worldgov ernment.org/  and read everything especially the FAQ pages.  I recommend the Book by the founder Garry Davis "MY COUNTRY IS THE WORLD
              > "
              > http://www.worldgov ernment.org/ cat.html? s=4#books
              >
              > Originally the WSA began as an effort to get everyone in the world to respect the United Nations Universal declaration of Human Rights passed in  December 1948.  http://www.worldgov ernment.org/ udhr.html
              >
              > You will likely find in that declaration many reinforcement for yours and your father's beliefs.. including that people should be able to travel where they want, work where they want at what they choose and should receive equal respect as persons... and be left alone.
              >
              > Joining the World Government of World Citizens or WSA is to make a statement that you believe in this declaration yourself and in the freedom and rights of the individual world wide.  WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power.
              >
              > The first action WSA did was to issue a World Passport which urged every country to allow free travel as promised by that UN Declaration (which most of them signed).  Since 1953 over 150 countries have allowed people to travel with it on a case-by-case basis... and 8 countries or jurisdictions have recognized it formally.
              >
              > NOW WE ALL KNOW that this World Passport is controversial. . and not accepted everywhere or in every case.  But it remains the best alternative to a passport issued by some country ot the one issued by the UN to its employees and volunteers. I got it because I have nothing else myself.
              >
              > Also when you join WSA, the organization uses part of its income to help thousands of refugees and stateless persons around the world with a passport to travel and to escape war torn areas.
              >
              > AGAIN..the  WSA is not about putting a one world dictator into power, but more of an effort to try and convince all the existing nation states to work together more cooperatively for the benefit of each individual's Universal Human Rights.
              >
              > IF every country followed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights completely as passed, (Including the USA which often also ignores it), than all the countries of the world could cooperate... just as states of the USA cooperate together under one government and purpose. The Universal declaration of Human Rights would function much like the US Constitution guarantees rights to individuals in the USA (well supposed to).
              >
              > Whether Republic, Democracy, or Socialism.. There would be no problem if everyone was guaranteed the same Human Rights across the board.  Freedom of travel would also allow people to settle down in areas where local or regional government is more to their liking.  I call it "vote with your feet".  Don't like new York?  Move to Idaho...  Don't like the USA?  You should (according to that declaration) be able to go anywhere you like better... Australia, France or Brazil etc.
              >
              > So whether or not you join WSA, you can participate in this discussion forum, but if you do join, then you make a stand for everyone to have equal rights before the law everywhere in the world.
              >
              > Kindest Regards,
              >
              > Andrew
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, michael_starks@ ... <michael_starks@ ...> wrote:
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              > From: michael_starks@ ... <michael_starks@ ...>
              > Subject: [WorldCitizen] just a ?
              > To: WorldCitizen@ yahoogroups. com
              > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 10:07 AM
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