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  • Gary K. Shepherd
    Hi I m afraid my comment about not needing a symbol, as the nationalists do, was just shooting from the hip, but you seem to have given this matter
    Message 1 of 22 , Mar 28, 2006
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      Hi
      I'm afraid my comment about not needing a symbol, as the nationalists do,
      was just shooting from the hip, but you seem to have given this matter
      considerable thought. The need for unifying symbols is certainly a very
      human thing. And the search for symbols that will be universally meaningful
      to world citizens from every-which-where is an ongoing effort. We need
      symbols that are as easily identifiable as the swastika, the cross, or the
      hammer and sickle. Personally, I've always favored a simple plain circle;
      which would represent both the Earth and the circle of humanity. If you
      would care to write an article on the subject, I'd be happy to publish it
      in the magazine I edit, UNITED WORLD.
      World Peace and Unity,
      Gary

      At 11:34 PM 3/24/2006 +0900, you wrote:
      >On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:55 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
      >
      >>Hi
      >>I'm not sure if it is "glorifying" the space program, but acknowledging
      >>it doesn't hurt.
      >
      >Perhaps my words seem strong. I don't intend to offend anyone personally,
      >but I _do_ believe the US space program is anything _but_ an innocent
      >bystander in the development of weapons which travel long distances to
      >deliver mass destruction upon the innocents of our world. It is clearly an
      >organization which garners enormous respect (not to mention money) from
      >the general population by cultivating an image of altruistic service to
      >the public good and apparent distance from the military. Yet the research
      >serves no one better than the generals who need another stealth fighter
      >jet, or a convenient Star Wars space defense program, or a night vision
      >technology, or on and on.
      >
      >I was born and grew up in Houston Texas, and watched many of the early
      >famous space flights launch. It is very hard to free oneself of the
      >romantic notions of righteous glory instilled from that early age by such
      >dramatic images of space conquest. Yet, we can no longer afford to support
      >the development and deployment of WMDs (or any weapons for that matter!).
      >As an American (still) I hold that the USA is the indisputable world
      >leader in the development and deployment of WMDs -- much of which was made
      >possible by our so-called civilian space program.
      >
      >>A flag with different picture on each side might be a problem to produce,
      >
      >Yes, I thought it might be so. I don't know the logistics of flag making.
      >But perhaps the idea is worth pursuing a bit further.
      >
      >>and I don't think it would have as much impact as a real honest to
      >>goodness picture. The pictures you showed look like high-resolution
      >>satellite photo montages, with the clouds and other 'flaws' removed by
      >>computer image-enhancing. Personally, it doesn't look as 'real' as the
      >>Apollo photo.
      >
      >Most large, hi-res Earth images are patched together and touched-up by
      >computer from dozens of satellite images. But, several famous ones were
      >taken by astronauts using hand-held cameras. I believe the one we're
      >talking about was taken on Apollo 17. I don't know; perhaps I'll look into
      >it further when I get some time. I don't think of clouds as flaws on the
      >face of the Earth; we live on a comparatively wet planet; they're natural.
      >My main point is to design a flag that would diffuse ingrained biases by
      >representing the entire globe, east and west. I found those images on the
      >Net in about 2 minutes with a Google search while busy with other things.
      >Perhaps with a bit more investigation, matching east-west photos of the
      >Earth could be found that have a modest amount of natural cloud cover. The
      >idea is to move away from imaging any particular nation or region as the
      >center of the planet.
      >
      >>Of course, the argument has been made that we don't need a
      >>symbol representing the planet Earth; unlike nation-states, which exist
      >>only in the human mind, the Earth is real. We're standing on our symbol
      >>right now.
      >
      >Well said. But, most people seem to crave symbols. And, even in all the
      >glory of our independence and sovereignty, a World Citizen will have need
      >of a community of like souls. More, symbols serve as a rallying point
      >around which to organize a cause. It would be hard to organize a movement
      >saying, "You, over there on your little patch of earth, and I here on
      >mine, are natural allies. The proof is that we both stand upon the Earth!"
      >Symbols help to make abstract ideas more concrete and easier to grasp. The
      >earth below my feet is a concrete thing, but the entire globe is not, nor
      >is a World Citizen -- they are abstract ideas. A flag symbol is something
      >one can easily visualize, and if it is a non-threatening and lovely image
      >of the Earth, then it could very well convey strength and conviction in
      >its very simplicity. Something to aim for, perhaps?
      >
      >Finally, I just arrived on this list. I expect that others have hashed out
      >these issues time and again in order to create the flags now available. I
      >do not wish to demean those efforts. I simply want to offer a constructive
      >extension of the ongoing discussion, not any kind of negative or cynical
      >criticism of the past evolution of the World Citizen symbol.
      >
      >Peace, William
      >
      >---------------------------------------------------------------
      >>World Peace and Unity,
      >>Gary
      >>
      >>At 03:09 PM 3/16/2006 +0900, you wrote:
      >> >This seems rather too obvious, but would it be possible to have a flag
      >> >with the Western Hemisphere on one side and the Easter Hemisphere on the
      >> >other? That might just eliminate the chance of bias -- unintended though
      >> >it may be. I know cost is a consideration, but already there are several
      >> >different flags at varying prices. You might also try to use photos
      >> >without so much cloud cover, even if the actual photos are not quite so
      >> >famous. The purpose is not really to glorify the American space program,
      >> >is it? We're trying to create a credible symbol of personal freedom and
      >> >sovereignty, world unity, and universal equity. Our symbol should refute
      >> >the ingrained biases and divisions of nationalism and exclusion. Lovely
      >> >images depicting the entire earth, undivided by boundaries of state,
      >> >politics, religion, and privilege would do just that. The two links below
      >> >show what I'm talking about. In my archives I have some great, very hi-rez
      >> >images downloaded long ago. I suppose copyright would be a factor here,
      >> >too, as they -- like any good photos of the Earth -- belong to NASA.
      >> >
      >> ><<http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.J
      >> PG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG
      >> ><http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Great1a.JPG>
      >> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Great1a.JPG
      >> >
      >> >Peace, William Newman
      >> >
      >> >On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
      >> >
      >> >>Hi
      >> >>The Earth Flag with which I am familiar is on a blue background, and is
      >> >>based on the famous Apollo photograph. As such, it is mostly clouds, but
      >> >>has, I believe, Arabia in the center.
      >> >>Peace,
      >> >>Gary
      >> >>
      >> >>At 01:56 AM 3/9/2006 +0000, you wrote:
      >> >> > > I wonder if what might be more effective is for individuals to
      >> fly the
      >> >> > > Earth flag from their homes, businesses, etc., in place of their
      >> >> > > national
      >> >> > > flags. I fly the Earth flag every day to declare my allegiance to the
      >> >> > > Republic of Earth. As far as I know, I am the only person in town
      >> >> > > who does
      >> >> > > this.
      >> >> > > World Peace and Unity,
      >> >> > > Gary
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >totally with you on that mate. :-)
      >> >> >
      >> >> >Does anyone sell really good ones?
      >> >> >A lot of the ones I've seen are a bit lo-fi.
      >> >> >A pro-designer should come up with something.
      >> >> >An Earth on a black background would be cool,
      >> >> >but certainly not those ghastly ones that put North America dead center.
      >> >> >(which is insulting and suggests planet America)
      >> >> >
      >> >> >It should be Africa (human kinds center point)
      >> >> >or one that gives no preference to any country.
      >> >> >
      >> >> >Check out Google Earth to get the right spin.
      >> >> >
      >> >> >MIRAI
      >> >> >(Terra-ist!)
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >==============================
      >> >> ><<http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAcademy
      >> .org London, U.K.
      >> >> >==============================
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is through
      >> world
      >> >> >government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
      >> >> >
      >> >> >For more information:
      >> <<http://www.worldservice.org>http://www.worldservice.org>www.worldservice.org
      >> >> and
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      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >> >
      >> >>
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    • Heidi Barathieu-Brun
      To need symbols to feel united with the other humans must be the result of a lack of an own strong personal Identity. Or in other words, the unability to stand
      Message 2 of 22 , Apr 5, 2006
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        To need symbols to feel united with the other humans must be the result of a lack of an own strong personal Identity. Or in other words, the unability to stand 'emptyness'. To stand this can be learned with ZEN meditation, or similar excercises. But peoples do not want to learn, do not want make themselve fit for an humanity being united, they only want have a 'good humanity' presented on a silver plate, to which they may vote 'yes or no'.

        Symbols 'yes or no', or what kind of symbol we should take, can not solve the question: how to become a humanity which is surviving to itself.

        Heidi

        ----- Message d'origine -----
        De: "Gary K. Shepherd" <gshepher@...>
        Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:40:53 -0600
        Sujet: Re: [WorldCitizen] Re: earth flag
        À: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com

        >Hi
        >I'm afraid my comment about not needing a symbol, as the nationalists do,
        >was just shooting from the hip, but you seem to have given this matter
        >considerable thought. The need for unifying symbols is certainly a very
        >human thing. And the search for symbols that will be universally meaningful
        >to world citizens from every-which-where is an ongoing effort. We need
        >symbols that are as easily identifiable as the swastika, the cross, or the
        >hammer and sickle. Personally, I've always favored a simple plain circle;
        >which would represent both the Earth and the circle of humanity. If you
        >would care to write an article on the subject, I'd be happy to publish it
        >in the magazine I edit, UNITED WORLD.
        >World Peace and Unity,
        >Gary
        >
        >At 11:34 PM 3/24/2006 +0900, you wrote:
        >>On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:55 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
        >>
        >>>Hi
        >>>I'm not sure if it is "glorifying" the space program, but acknowledging
        >>>it doesn't hurt.
        >>
        >>Perhaps my words seem strong. I don't intend to offend anyone personally,
        >>but I _do_ believe the US space program is anything _but_ an innocent
        >>bystander in the development of weapons which travel long distances to
        >>deliver mass destruction upon the innocents of our world. It is clearly an
        >>organization which garners enormous respect (not to mention money) from
        >>the general population by cultivating an image of altruistic service to
        >>the public good and apparent distance from the military. Yet the research
        >>serves no one better than the generals who need another stealth fighter
        >>jet, or a convenient Star Wars space defense program, or a night vision
        >>technology, or on and on.
        >>
        >>I was born and grew up in Houston Texas, and watched many of the early
        >>famous space flights launch. It is very hard to free oneself of the
        >>romantic notions of righteous glory instilled from that early age by such
        >>dramatic images of space conquest. Yet, we can no longer afford to support
        >>the development and deployment of WMDs (or any weapons for that matter!).
        >>As an American (still) I hold that the USA is the indisputable world
        >>leader in the development and deployment of WMDs -- much of which was made
        >>possible by our so-called civilian space program.
        >>
        >>>A flag with different picture on each side might be a problem to produce,
        >>
        >>Yes, I thought it might be so. I don't know the logistics of flag making.
        >>But perhaps the idea is worth pursuing a bit further.
        >>
        >>>and I don't think it would have as much impact as a real honest to
        >>>goodness picture. The pictures you showed look like high-resolution
        >>>satellite photo montages, with the clouds and other 'flaws' removed by
        >>>computer image-enhancing. Personally, it doesn't look as 'real' as the
        >>>Apollo photo.
        >>
        >>Most large, hi-res Earth images are patched together and touched-up by
        >>computer from dozens of satellite images. But, several famous ones were
        >>taken by astronauts using hand-held cameras. I believe the one we're
        >>talking about was taken on Apollo 17. I don't know; perhaps I'll look into
        >>it further when I get some time. I don't think of clouds as flaws on the
        >>face of the Earth; we live on a comparatively wet planet; they're natural.
        >>My main point is to design a flag that would diffuse ingrained biases by
        >>representing the entire globe, east and west. I found those images on the
        >>Net in about 2 minutes with a Google search while busy with other things.
        >>Perhaps with a bit more investigation, matching east-west photos of the
        >>Earth could be found that have a modest amount of natural cloud cover. The
        >>idea is to move away from imaging any particular nation or region as the
        >>center of the planet.
        >>
        >>>Of course, the argument has been made that we don't need a
        >>>symbol representing the planet Earth; unlike nation-states, which exist
        >>>only in the human mind, the Earth is real. We're standing on our symbol
        >>>right now.
        >>
        >>Well said. But, most people seem to crave symbols. And, even in all the
        >>glory of our independence and sovereignty, a World Citizen will have need
        >>of a community of like souls. More, symbols serve as a rallying point
        >>around which to organize a cause. It would be hard to organize a movement
        >>saying, "You, over there on your little patch of earth, and I here on
        >>mine, are natural allies. The proof is that we both stand upon the Earth!"
        >>Symbols help to make abstract ideas more concrete and easier to grasp. The
        >>earth below my feet is a concrete thing, but the entire globe is not, nor
        >>is a World Citizen -- they are abstract ideas. A flag symbol is something
        >>one can easily visualize, and if it is a non-threatening and lovely image
        >>of the Earth, then it could very well convey strength and conviction in
        >>its very simplicity. Something to aim for, perhaps?
        >>
        >>Finally, I just arrived on this list. I expect that others have hashed out
        >>these issues time and again in order to create the flags now available. I
        >>do not wish to demean those efforts. I simply want to offer a constructive
        >>extension of the ongoing discussion, not any kind of negative or cynical
        >>criticism of the past evolution of the World Citizen symbol.
        >>
        >>Peace, William
        >>
        >>---------------------------------------------------------------
        >>>World Peace and Unity,
        >>>Gary
        >>>
        >>>At 03:09 PM 3/16/2006 +0900, you wrote:
        >>> >This seems rather too obvious, but would it be possible to have a flag
        >>> >with the Western Hemisphere on one side and the Easter Hemisphere on the
        >>> >other? That might just eliminate the chance of bias -- unintended though
        >>> >it may be. I know cost is a consideration, but already there are several
        >>> >different flags at varying prices. You might also try to use photos
        >>> >without so much cloud cover, even if the actual photos are not quite so
        >>> >famous. The purpose is not really to glorify the American space program,
        >>> >is it? We're trying to create a credible symbol of personal freedom and
        >>> >sovereignty, world unity, and universal equity. Our symbol should refute
        >>> >the ingrained biases and divisions of nationalism and exclusion. Lovely
        >>> >images depicting the entire earth, undivided by boundaries of state,
        >>> >politics, religion, and privilege would do just that. The two links below
        >>> >show what I'm talking about. In my archives I have some great, very hi-rez
        >>> >images downloaded long ago. I suppose copyright would be a factor here,
        >>> >too, as they -- like any good photos of the Earth -- belong to NASA.
        >>> >
        >>> ><<http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.J
        >>> PG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG
        >>> ><http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Great1a.JPG>
        >>> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Great1a.JPG
        >>> >
        >>> >Peace, William Newman
        >>> >
        >>> >On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
        >>> >
        >>> >>Hi
        >>> >>The Earth Flag with which I am familiar is on a blue background, and is
        >>> >>based on the famous Apollo photograph. As such, it is mostly clouds, but
        >>> >>has, I believe, Arabia in the center.
        >>> >>Peace,
        >>> >>Gary
        >>> >>
        >>> >>At 01:56 AM 3/9/2006 +0000, you wrote:
        >>> >> > > I wonder if what might be more effective is for individuals to
        >>> fly the
        >>> >> > > Earth flag from their homes, businesses, etc., in place of their
        >>> >> > > national
        >>> >> > > flags. I fly the Earth flag every day to declare my allegiance to the
        >>> >> > > Republic of Earth. As far as I know, I am the only person in town
        >>> >> > > who does
        >>> >> > > this.
        >>> >> > > World Peace and Unity,
        >>> >> > > Gary
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >totally with you on that mate. :-)
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >Does anyone sell really good ones?
        >>> >> >A lot of the ones I've seen are a bit lo-fi.
        >>> >> >A pro-designer should come up with something.
        >>> >> >An Earth on a black background would be cool,
        >>> >> >but certainly not those ghastly ones that put North America dead center.
        >>> >> >(which is insulting and suggests planet America)
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >It should be Africa (human kinds center point)
        >>> >> >or one that gives no preference to any country.
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >Check out Google Earth to get the right spin.
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >MIRAI
        >>> >> >(Terra-ist!)
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >==============================
        >>> >> ><<http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAcademy
        >>> .org London, U.K.
        >>> >> >==============================
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is through
        >>> world
        >>> >> >government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >For more information:
        >>> <<http://www.worldservice.org>http://www.worldservice.org>www.worldservice.org
        >>> >> and
        >>> <<mailto:info@...>mailto:info@...><mailto:info@...>info@...
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >> >
        >>> >>
        >>> >>Gary K. Shepherd
        >>> >>Documents Center
        >>> >>Morris Library
        >>> >>SIU
        >>> >>Carbondale, IL 62901
        >>> >>618-536-2163
        >>> >><<mailto:gshepher@...>mailto:gshepher@...><mailto:gshep
        >>> her@...>gshepher@...
        >>> >>
        >>> >>
        >>> >>
        >>> >>
        >>> >>
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        >>> >>government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
        >>> >>
        >>> >>For more information:
        >>> <<http://www.worldservice.org>http://www.worldservice.org>www.worldservice.org
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      • ikenney
        An interesting debate. I might humbly suggest a plain white flag - a flag of no colour - as a symbol. Or lack of symbol really, which is probably what we
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          An interesting debate.

          I might humbly suggest a plain white flag - a flag of no colour - as
          a symbol. Or lack of symbol really, which is probably what we should
          be striving for.

          Ian.

          --- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "Gary K. Shepherd"
          <gshepher@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi
          > I'm afraid my comment about not needing a symbol, as the
          nationalists do,
          > was just shooting from the hip, but you seem to have given this
          matter
          > considerable thought. The need for unifying symbols is certainly a
          very
          > human thing. And the search for symbols that will be universally
          meaningful
          > to world citizens from every-which-where is an ongoing effort. We
          need
          > symbols that are as easily identifiable as the swastika, the
          cross, or the
          > hammer and sickle. Personally, I've always favored a simple plain
          circle;
          > which would represent both the Earth and the circle of humanity. If
          you
          > would care to write an article on the subject, I'd be happy to
          publish it
          > in the magazine I edit, UNITED WORLD.
          > World Peace and Unity,
          > Gary
          >
          > At 11:34 PM 3/24/2006 +0900, you wrote:
          > >On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:55 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
          > >
          > >>Hi
          > >>I'm not sure if it is "glorifying" the space program, but
          acknowledging
          > >>it doesn't hurt.
          > >
          > >Perhaps my words seem strong. I don't intend to offend anyone
          personally,
          > >but I _do_ believe the US space program is anything _but_ an
          innocent
          > >bystander in the development of weapons which travel long
          distances to
          > >deliver mass destruction upon the innocents of our world. It is
          clearly an
          > >organization which garners enormous respect (not to mention money)
          from
          > >the general population by cultivating an image of altruistic
          service to
          > >the public good and apparent distance from the military. Yet the
          research
          > >serves no one better than the generals who need another stealth
          fighter
          > >jet, or a convenient Star Wars space defense program, or a night
          vision
          > >technology, or on and on.
          > >
          > >I was born and grew up in Houston Texas, and watched many of the
          early
          > >famous space flights launch. It is very hard to free oneself of
          the
          > >romantic notions of righteous glory instilled from that early age
          by such
          > >dramatic images of space conquest. Yet, we can no longer afford to
          support
          > >the development and deployment of WMDs (or any weapons for that
          matter!).
          > >As an American (still) I hold that the USA is the indisputable
          world
          > >leader in the development and deployment of WMDs -- much of which
          was made
          > >possible by our so-called civilian space program.
          > >
          > >>A flag with different picture on each side might be a problem to
          produce,
          > >
          > >Yes, I thought it might be so. I don't know the logistics of flag
          making.
          > >But perhaps the idea is worth pursuing a bit further.
          > >
          > >>and I don't think it would have as much impact as a real honest
          to
          > >>goodness picture. The pictures you showed look like high-
          resolution
          > >>satellite photo montages, with the clouds and other 'flaws'
          removed by
          > >>computer image-enhancing. Personally, it doesn't look as 'real'
          as the
          > >>Apollo photo.
          > >
          > >Most large, hi-res Earth images are patched together and touched-
          up by
          > >computer from dozens of satellite images. But, several famous ones
          were
          > >taken by astronauts using hand-held cameras. I believe the one
          we're
          > >talking about was taken on Apollo 17. I don't know; perhaps I'll
          look into
          > >it further when I get some time. I don't think of clouds as flaws
          on the
          > >face of the Earth; we live on a comparatively wet planet; they're
          natural.
          > >My main point is to design a flag that would diffuse ingrained
          biases by
          > >representing the entire globe, east and west. I found those images
          on the
          > >Net in about 2 minutes with a Google search while busy with other
          things.
          > >Perhaps with a bit more investigation, matching east-west photos
          of the
          > >Earth could be found that have a modest amount of natural cloud
          cover. The
          > >idea is to move away from imaging any particular nation or region
          as the
          > >center of the planet.
          > >
          > >>Of course, the argument has been made that we don't need a
          > >>symbol representing the planet Earth; unlike nation-states, which
          exist
          > >>only in the human mind, the Earth is real. We're standing on our
          symbol
          > >>right now.
          > >
          > >Well said. But, most people seem to crave symbols. And, even in
          all the
          > >glory of our independence and sovereignty, a World Citizen will
          have need
          > >of a community of like souls. More, symbols serve as a rallying
          point
          > >around which to organize a cause. It would be hard to organize a
          movement
          > >saying, "You, over there on your little patch of earth, and I here
          on
          > >mine, are natural allies. The proof is that we both stand upon the
          Earth!"
          > >Symbols help to make abstract ideas more concrete and easier to
          grasp. The
          > >earth below my feet is a concrete thing, but the entire globe is
          not, nor
          > >is a World Citizen -- they are abstract ideas. A flag symbol is
          something
          > >one can easily visualize, and if it is a non-threatening and
          lovely image
          > >of the Earth, then it could very well convey strength and
          conviction in
          > >its very simplicity. Something to aim for, perhaps?
          > >
          > >Finally, I just arrived on this list. I expect that others have
          hashed out
          > >these issues time and again in order to create the flags now
          available. I
          > >do not wish to demean those efforts. I simply want to offer a
          constructive
          > >extension of the ongoing discussion, not any kind of negative or
          cynical
          > >criticism of the past evolution of the World Citizen symbol.
          > >
          > >Peace, William
          > >
          > >---------------------------------------------------------------
          > >>World Peace and Unity,
          > >>Gary
          > >>
          > >>At 03:09 PM 3/16/2006 +0900, you wrote:
          > >> >This seems rather too obvious, but would it be possible to have
          a flag
          > >> >with the Western Hemisphere on one side and the Easter
          Hemisphere on the
          > >> >other? That might just eliminate the chance of bias --
          unintended though
          > >> >it may be. I know cost is a consideration, but already there
          are several
          > >> >different flags at varying prices. You might also try to use
          photos
          > >> >without so much cloud cover, even if the actual photos are not
          quite so
          > >> >famous. The purpose is not really to glorify the American space
          program,
          > >> >is it? We're trying to create a credible symbol of personal
          freedom and
          > >> >sovereignty, world unity, and universal equity. Our symbol
          should refute
          > >> >the ingrained biases and divisions of nationalism and
          exclusion. Lovely
          > >> >images depicting the entire earth, undivided by boundaries of
          state,
          > >> >politics, religion, and privilege would do just that. The two
          links below
          > >> >show what I'm talking about. In my archives I have some great,
          very hi-rez
          > >> >images downloaded long ago. I suppose copyright would be a
          factor here,
          > >> >too, as they -- like any good photos of the Earth -- belong to
          NASA.
          > >> >
          > >> ><<http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-
          Ingress1a.J
          > >> PG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-
          Ingress1a.JPG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Ear
          th-Ingress1a.JPG
          > >> ><http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-
          Great1a.JPG>
          > >> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-
          Great1a.JPG
          > >> >
          > >> >Peace, William Newman
          > >> >
          > >> >On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
          > >> >
          > >> >>Hi
          > >> >>The Earth Flag with which I am familiar is on a blue
          background, and is
          > >> >>based on the famous Apollo photograph. As such, it is mostly
          clouds, but
          > >> >>has, I believe, Arabia in the center.
          > >> >>Peace,
          > >> >>Gary
          > >> >>
          > >> >>At 01:56 AM 3/9/2006 +0000, you wrote:
          > >> >> > > I wonder if what might be more effective is for
          individuals to
          > >> fly the
          > >> >> > > Earth flag from their homes, businesses, etc., in place
          of their
          > >> >> > > national
          > >> >> > > flags. I fly the Earth flag every day to declare my
          allegiance to the
          > >> >> > > Republic of Earth. As far as I know, I am the only person
          in town
          > >> >> > > who does
          > >> >> > > this.
          > >> >> > > World Peace and Unity,
          > >> >> > > Gary
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >totally with you on that mate. :-)
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >Does anyone sell really good ones?
          > >> >> >A lot of the ones I've seen are a bit lo-fi.
          > >> >> >A pro-designer should come up with something.
          > >> >> >An Earth on a black background would be cool,
          > >> >> >but certainly not those ghastly ones that put North America
          dead center.
          > >> >> >(which is insulting and suggests planet America)
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >It should be Africa (human kinds center point)
          > >> >> >or one that gives no preference to any country.
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >Check out Google Earth to get the right spin.
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >MIRAI
          > >> >> >(Terra-ist!)
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >==============================
          > >> >>
          ><<http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAcademy

          > >> .org London, U.K.
          > >> >> >==============================
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >
          > >> >> >
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          > >> >> >
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          through
          > >> world
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          > >> >> >
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        • Mitch Gold
          such a flag exists = and is being promoted = called the Companion Flag = and is already used in many countries - flying along with the flag of the country it
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            such a flag exists = and is being promoted = called the Companion Flag = and is already used in many countries - flying along with the flag of the country it is in.
            I believe when it first started it was totally white, but after a time a complementary colour was added - for symetry and aesthetics.
             
            our organization, the IAEWP endorses this flag program along with numerous other "world flag" programs.
             
            Peace
             
            Mitch

             
            On 06/04/06, ikenney <ian@...> wrote:
            An interesting debate.

            I might humbly suggest a plain white flag - a flag of no colour - as
            a symbol. Or lack of symbol really, which is probably what we should
            be striving for.

            Ian.

            --- In WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com, "Gary K. Shepherd"
            <gshepher@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hi
            > I'm afraid my comment about not needing a symbol, as the
            nationalists do,
            > was just shooting from the hip, but you seem to have given this
            matter
            > considerable thought. The need for unifying symbols is certainly a
            very
            > human thing. And the search for symbols that will be universally
            meaningful
            > to world citizens from every-which-where is an ongoing effort. We
            need
            > symbols that are  as easily identifiable as the swastika, the
            cross, or the
            > hammer and sickle.  Personally, I've always favored a simple plain
            circle;
            > which would represent both the Earth and the circle of humanity. If
            you
            > would care to write an article on the subject, I'd be happy to
            publish it
            > in the magazine I edit, UNITED WORLD.
            > World Peace and Unity,
            > Gary
            >
            > At 11:34 PM 3/24/2006 +0900, you wrote:
            > >On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:55 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
            > >
            > >>Hi
            > >>I'm not sure if it is "glorifying" the space program, but
            acknowledging
            > >>it doesn't hurt.
            > >
            > >Perhaps my words seem strong. I don't intend to offend anyone
            personally,
            > >but I _do_ believe the US space program is anything _but_ an
            innocent
            > >bystander in the development of weapons which travel long
            distances to
            > >deliver mass destruction upon the innocents of our world. It is
            clearly an
            > >organization which garners enormous respect (not to mention money)
            from
            > >the general population by cultivating an image of altruistic
            service to
            > >the public good and apparent distance from the military. Yet the
            research
            > >serves no one better than the generals who need another stealth
            fighter
            > >jet, or a convenient Star Wars space defense program, or a night
            vision
            > >technology, or on and on.
            > >
            > >I was born and grew up in Houston Texas, and watched many of the
            early
            > >famous space flights launch. It is very hard to free oneself of
            the
            > >romantic notions of righteous glory instilled from that early age
            by such
            > >dramatic images of space conquest. Yet, we can no longer afford to
            support
            > >the development and deployment of WMDs (or any weapons for that
            matter!).
            > >As an American (still) I hold that the USA is the indisputable
            world
            > >leader in the development and deployment of WMDs -- much of which
            was made
            > >possible by our so-called civilian space program.
            > >
            > >>A flag with different picture on each side might be a problem to
            produce,
            > >
            > >Yes, I thought it might be so. I don't know the logistics of flag
            making.
            > >But perhaps the idea is worth pursuing a bit further.
            > >
            > >>and I don't think it would have as much impact as a real honest
            to
            > >>goodness picture. The pictures you showed look like high-
            resolution
            > >>satellite photo montages, with the clouds and other 'flaws'
            removed by
            > >>computer image-enhancing. Personally, it doesn't look as 'real'
            as the
            > >>Apollo photo.
            > >
            > >Most large, hi-res Earth images are patched together and touched-
            up by
            > >computer from dozens of satellite images. But, several famous ones
            were
            > >taken by astronauts using hand-held cameras. I believe the one
            we're
            > >talking about was taken on Apollo 17. I don't know; perhaps I'll
            look into
            > >it further when I get some time. I don't think of clouds as flaws
            on the
            > >face of the Earth; we live on a comparatively wet planet; they're
            natural.
            > >My main point is to design a flag that would diffuse ingrained
            biases by
            > >representing the entire globe, east and west. I found those images
            on the
            > >Net in about 2 minutes with a Google search while busy with other
            things.
            > >Perhaps with a bit more investigation, matching east-west photos
            of the
            > >Earth could be found that have a modest amount of natural cloud
            cover. The
            > >idea is to move away from imaging any particular nation or region
            as the
            > >center of the planet.
            > >
            > >>Of course, the argument has been made that we don't need a
            > >>symbol representing the planet Earth; unlike nation-states, which
            exist
            > >>only in the human mind, the Earth is real. We're standing on our
            symbol
            > >>right now.
            > >
            > >Well said. But, most people seem to crave symbols. And, even in
            all the
            > >glory of our independence and sovereignty, a World Citizen will
            have need
            > >of a community of like souls. More, symbols serve as a rallying
            point
            > >around which to organize a cause. It would be hard to organize a
            movement
            > >saying, "You, over there on your little patch of earth, and I here
            on
            > >mine, are natural allies. The proof is that we both stand upon the
            Earth!"
            > >Symbols help to make abstract ideas more concrete and easier to
            grasp. The
            > >earth below my feet is a concrete thing, but the entire globe is
            not, nor
            > >is a World Citizen -- they are abstract ideas. A flag symbol is
            something
            > >one can easily visualize, and if it is a non-threatening and
            lovely image
            > >of the Earth, then it could very well convey strength and
            conviction in
            > >its very simplicity. Something to aim for, perhaps?
            > >
            > >Finally, I just arrived on this list. I expect that others have
            hashed out
            > >these issues time and again in order to create the flags now
            available. I
            > >do not wish to demean those efforts. I simply want to offer a
            constructive
            > >extension of the ongoing discussion, not any kind of negative or
            cynical
            > >criticism of the past evolution of the World Citizen symbol.
            > >
            > >Peace, William
            > >
            > >---------------------------------------------------------------
            > >>World Peace and Unity,
            > >>Gary
            > >>
            > >>At 03:09 PM 3/16/2006 +0900, you wrote:
            > >> >This seems rather too obvious, but would it be possible to have
            a flag
            > >> >with the Western Hemisphere on one side and the Easter
            Hemisphere on the
            > >> >other? That might just eliminate the chance of bias --
            unintended though
            > >> >it may be. I know cost is a consideration, but already there
            are several
            > >> >different flags at varying prices. You might also try to use
            photos
            > >> >without so much cloud cover, even if the actual photos are not
            quite so
            > >> >famous. The purpose is not really to glorify the American space
            program,
            > >> >is it? We're trying to create a credible symbol of personal
            freedom and
            > >> >sovereignty, world unity, and universal equity. Our symbol
            should refute
            > >> >the ingrained biases and divisions of nationalism and
            exclusion. Lovely
            > >> >images depicting the entire earth, undivided by boundaries of
            state,
            > >> >politics, religion, and privilege would do just that. The two
            links below
            > >> >show what I'm talking about. In my archives I have some great,
            very hi-rez
            > >> >images downloaded long ago. I suppose copyright would be a
            factor here,
            > >> >too, as they -- like any good photos of the Earth -- belong to
            NASA.
            > >> >
            > >> ><< http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-
            Ingress1a.J
            > >> PG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-
            Ingress1a.JPG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Ear
            th-Ingress1a.JPG
            > >> >< http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-
            Great1a.JPG>
            > >> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-
            Great1a.JPG
            > >> >
            > >> >Peace, William Newman
            > >> >
            > >> >On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
            > >> >
            > >> >>Hi
            > >> >>The Earth Flag with which I am familiar is on a blue
            background, and is
            > >> >>based on the famous Apollo photograph. As such, it is mostly
            clouds, but
            > >> >>has, I believe, Arabia in the center.
            > >> >>Peace,
            > >> >>Gary
            > >> >>
            > >> >>At 01:56 AM 3/9/2006 +0000, you wrote:
            > >> >> > > I wonder if what might be more effective is for
            individuals to
            > >> fly the
            > >> >> > > Earth flag from their homes, businesses, etc., in place
            of their
            > >> >> > > national
            > >> >> > > flags. I fly the Earth flag every day to declare my
            allegiance to the
            > >> >> > > Republic of Earth. As far as I know, I am the only person
            in town
            > >> >> > > who does
            > >> >> > > this.
            > >> >> > > World Peace and Unity,
            > >> >> > > Gary
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >totally with you on that mate.  :-)
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >Does anyone sell really good ones?
            > >> >> >A lot of the ones I've seen are a bit lo-fi.
            > >> >> >A pro-designer should come up with something.
            > >> >> >An Earth on a black background would be cool,
            > >> >> >but certainly not those ghastly ones that put North America
            dead center.
            > >> >> >(which is insulting and suggests planet America)
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >It should be Africa (human kinds center point)
            > >> >> >or one that gives no preference to any country.
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >Check out Google Earth to get the right spin.
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >MIRAI
            > >> >> >(Terra-ist!)
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >==============================
            > >> >>
            ><< http://EarthAcademy.org> http://EarthAcademy.org> http://EarthAcademy

            > >> .org  London, U.K.
            > >> >> >==============================
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is
            through
            > >> world
            > >> >> >government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >For more information:
            > >>
            << http://www.worldservice.org>http://www.worldservice.org>www.worldser
            vice.org
            > >> >> and
            > >> <<mailto: info@...>mailto: info@...><mailto:info@...>info@...
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
            > >> >> >
            > >> >> >
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            > >> >> >
            > >> >>
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            > >> >>Documents Center
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            > >> >><<mailto: gshepher@...>mailto: gshepher@...><mailto:gshep
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            > >> >>"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is
            through world
            > >> >>government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
            > >> >>
            > >> >>For more information:
            > >>
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            vice.org
            > >> >>and
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          • ro-esp
            ... Unfortunately, that flag already belongs to a country groetjes, Ronaldo -- http://www.esperanto.net
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              Citeren ikenney <ian@...>:

              > An interesting debate.
              >
              > I might humbly suggest a plain white flag - a flag of no colour - as
              > a symbol. Or lack of symbol really, which is probably what we should
              > be striving for.

              Unfortunately, that flag already belongs to a country

              groetjes, Ronaldo

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            • soupdad2003
              Whatever the flag ends up looking like, it DEFINITELY has to have a symbol of the globe on it somewhere! BTW, what is de facto mean??
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                Whatever the flag ends up looking like, it DEFINITELY has to have a
                symbol of the globe on it somewhere!
                BTW, what is "de facto" mean??
              • William Newman
                Below: Replies to Ian and Heidi, and further discussion on the World Citizen symbol. ... Ian: Perhaps even more Zen than Heidi (below). I like both ideas. I
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                  Below: Replies to Ian and Heidi, and further discussion on the World Citizen symbol.

                  On Apr 7, 2006, at 5:28 AM, ikenney wrote:

                  An interesting debate.

                  I might humbly suggest a plain white flag - a flag of no colour - as a symbol. Or lack of symbol really, which is probably what we should be striving for.

                  Ian.

                  Ian:

                  Perhaps even more "Zen" than Heidi (below).  I like both ideas. I especially love the simplicity in these ideas. Besides being very Zen (which I enjoyed practicing some years ago), it puts our symbol directly in line with ideas E. F. Schumacher < www.smallisbeautiful.org > put forth in his classic, "Small Is Beautiful : Economics as if People Mattered", which may be an interesting read for some list members here. Basically, basic is best, isn't it? ;-) Increasing world citizenship and borderless communities should simplify a great deal in all areas of life. It seems logical that our symbol should reflect this, doesn't it?

                  Yet, here we run right up against already deeply established frames. Throughout history, to most people of the world, a white flag has had negative connotations. Do you think we are up to the task of altering this long-established, primal stereotype. A "colorless" flag is just hard to imagine. Similar to a white flag, I think Heidi's symbol of a circle (or zero, naught, and more), though often a positive symbol in the East, in the West is open to too many varying and potentially negative interpretations.

                  See < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flag > for details on "white flags" and < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_%28disambiguation%29 > for more on "circles". Also, you may want to check on related terms like zero, naught, etc. For more on "frames", see the clipping from an email I wrote to my brother last week (below) or search the net.

                  On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:10 PM, Heidi Barathieu-Brun wrote:

                  To need symbols to feel united with the other humans must be the result of a lack of an own strong personal Identity. Or in other words, the unability to stand 'emptyness'. To stand this can be learned with ZEN meditation, or similar excercises. But peoples do not want to learn, do not want make themselve fit for an humanity being united, they only want have a 'good humanity' presented on a silver plate, to which they may vote 'yes or no'.

                  Symbols 'yes or no', or what kind of symbol we should take, can not solve the question: how to become a humanity which is surviving to itself.

                  Heidi

                  Heidi:

                  Personally, I feel externally projected symbolism undesirable; I prefer to keep my symbols to myself unless there is a specific need to discuss them. Also, my experience of meditation was anything _but_ emptiness (which implies vacuousness), but full of a great deal of physical pain (in the early years), internal struggle (in the middle years), and finally a deeply personal and enduring experience of interconnectedness with all humanity and life at its fullest. It's not a practice easily undertaken, and I don't think it reasonable to make such a practice a prerequisite for gaining world citizenship. However, metaphorically, your idea may be useful for preparing oneself for world citizenship. Creating and growing this WC movement may have been most painful for the early pioneers, and furthering their work will involve no small amount of struggle if we expect to realize the goal:

                  to establish an open, inclusive, and equitable world government peopled and controlled by autonomous, sovereign individuals holding inalienable rights to live, work, believe, etceteras, wherever and however they deem best, within the limits of doing no harm to others.

                  What's more, I do not believe that the human desire for meaningful symbols to make more real abstract ideas is a sign of individual weakness, nor a lack of identity or desire to learn. This need has been with the human race since time out of mind. The symbolism of the Buddha, Muhammad, Jesus Christ, the Torah, the Gita, and many more controls the lives of the bulk of humanity, while symbols that come with socialist, capitalist and other social-economic models have claimed all the rest. The ability to create meaningful symbols has been vital to the evolution of the human race. Those who control our symbols control lives, the evolution of our societies, and of our very evolution as a species. Look where symbols established by such widely shared images as the movie, Star Wars, have brought us. Symbolism spreads on wings of stereotype and prejudice and, whether powered by engines of faith, superstition, or self interest, it will continue growing and engulfing our lives. It would not be useful to ignore, deny, or take lightly the importance of symbols.

                  The issue is not whether a symbol is needed to establish a meaningful image in the minds of world citizenry, but _what_ symbols will be created, _who_ will create them, and _why_. The "why" should be established by the "who" in order to produce the most appropriate "what". On this list, the "why" is being established by those interested and involved in this discussion of a WC symbol. Those very people are the "who". The "what" is, specifically, a flag (of some kind), and established by a discussion of flag availability. All very mundane.

                  The point: it would behoove us to ask ourselves this: If we do not create, with well-considered discussion, our own symbols, _who_ will do it for us? Are you prepared to wait until the media machines of various state authorities, some perhaps unfriendly to a growing body of autonomous world citizens, have painted in the minds of the otherwise uninformed, their pictures of who we are and of what we represent? It certainly harms none to discuss these issues.

                  My own purpose for participating on this list is to find out who all of you are and what ideas you might have, and of what becoming a bonified World Citizen would mean to me and to my family.

                  Once a need for a symbol is accepted, and that a flag bearing an image of the Earth is an appropriate form of this symbol, this discussion can go forward. To that end, I offer the following:

                  Problem: How can we create an image of the earth -- east, west, north, south, or otherwise -- that is free of nationalism, regionalism, sectarianism, and all other "isms" and divisions and exclusions that the human mind is so frustratingly adept at creating?

                  I was thinking a bit more in Gary's direction and got the notion that perhaps an image that does not actually reveal any particular geographical location may be better than trying to cover the entire earth. Increasing cloud cover (obscurity) might lead closer to a solution. Yet, reading comments on this list and elsewhere about such Earth images, one feels that dense cloud cover can give us a sense of wanting to know what's underneath. We scrutinize the image looking for signs of whether it depicts "us" or "them" and may feel satisfied (if us), excluded (if them), or frustrated (if impossible to tell). With a shift of focus from the entire circle of the globe to, say, a sparkling sunrise across the curve of the Earth, we may avoid such problems. We must remember that it is the purpose of such a symbol to engage us emotionally, to inspire us, and ultimately to make more intimate and real such abstract ideas as world citizenship and global community. What if we go further and explore even more artistically beautiful images (many of which are exquisitely rendered photographically), which may be especially emotionally inspiring and uplifting. Such an image could lend to all World Citizens an aura of cultivated grace and beauty -- regardless of how they might customarily be pigeonholed racially, socially, economically, politically, and so on. I was struck by the variety and beauty of Earth images available that do _not_ have the problems of an Earth heavily obscured by clouds, two images of the East & West hemispheres, or one depicting only a narrowly identifiable part of the globe. Such an image could open up a greater number of possible sources.

                  Below are a few links to images that illustrate what I'm talking about. But, if you use Google Images or a similar search engine with a string something like, < earth world planet >, you will find a lot of images to sift through. Try varying the string for slightly different results, like this: < earth world planet gaia > or < earth space voyager >. Anyway, it's fun, but I have no more time tonight.

                  Be well, all.
                  William

                  New links (Mar. 29)

                  1. Outside, looking in:

                  A lovely collection of Earth images. Scroll left to see best Earth photos. I chose to start you on Antarctica.

                  Titled: "Earthrise" (NASA)

                  Titled: "Water World". Right off it doesn't seem a readily identifiable location, geographically, but one who knows this photo or place would recognize it. Nice photo.

                  Titled: "Kissing the Earth". An artistically rendered photo.

                  Earth: India, Malaysia, Australia. Not really usable due to the clearly identifiable location, but lovely.

                  2. Inside, looking out (Why not? Why shouldn't we identify with the entire universe?... Just a thought. :-):

                  Curve of Earth with moon (NASA)

                  Solar eclipse (NASA) Well, it's not the Earth, but something we earthlings see with our own eyes, which may be strong, symbolically.

                  More on "frames"

                  George Lakoff talks about how political and social discourse is is influenced by our "frames". Frames are how we distill and hold meaning from among the otherwise unmanageable plethora of information and events constantly bombarding us. He explains that, once formed, it may take many years to alter (redefine) our frames. Even illogical, destructive, unsupportable frames, once set, cannot easily be changed regardless of the veracity of "facts" and "proofs" given to the contrary. This covers a lot of essential ground touching on both politics and religion, and how we distill meaning from the world around us.

                  George Lakoff

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                  >Hi
                  >I'm afraid my comment about not needing a symbol, as the nationalists do,
                  >was just shooting from the hip, but you seem to have given this matter
                  >considerable thought. The need for unifying symbols is certainly a very
                  >human thing. And the search for symbols that will be universally meaningful
                  >to world citizens from every-which-where is an ongoing effort. We need
                  >symbols that are  as easily identifiable as the swastika, the cross, or the
                  >hammer and sickle.  Personally, I've always favored a simple plain circle;
                  >which would represent both the Earth and the circle of humanity. If you
                  >would care to write an article on the subject, I'd be happy to publish it
                  >in the magazine I edit, UNITED WORLD.
                  >World Peace and Unity,
                  >Gary
                  >
                  >At 11:34 PM 3/24/2006 +0900, you wrote:
                  >>On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:55 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
                  >>
                  >>>Hi
                  >>>I'm not sure if it is "glorifying" the space program, but acknowledging
                  >>>it doesn't hurt.
                  >>
                  >>Perhaps my words seem strong. I don't intend to offend anyone personally,
                  >>but I _do_ believe the US space program is anything _but_ an innocent
                  >>bystander in the development of weapons which travel long distances to
                  >>deliver mass destruction upon the innocents of our world. It is clearly an
                  >>organization which garners enormous respect (not to mention money) from
                  >>the general population by cultivating an image of altruistic service to
                  >>the public good and apparent distance from the military. Yet the research
                  >>serves no one better than the generals who need another stealth fighter
                  >>jet, or a convenient Star Wars space defense program, or a night vision
                  >>technology, or on and on.
                  >>
                  >>I was born and grew up in Houston Texas, and watched many of the early
                  >>famous space flights launch. It is very hard to free oneself of the
                  >>romantic notions of righteous glory instilled from that early age by such
                  >>dramatic images of space conquest. Yet, we can no longer afford to support
                  >>the development and deployment of WMDs (or any weapons for that matter!).
                  >>As an American (still) I hold that the USA is the indisputable world
                  >>leader in the development and deployment of WMDs -- much of which was made
                  >>possible by our so-called civilian space program.
                  >>
                  >>>A flag with different picture on each side might be a problem to produce,
                  >>
                  >>Yes, I thought it might be so. I don't know the logistics of flag making.
                  >>But perhaps the idea is worth pursuing a bit further.
                  >>
                  >>>and I don't think it would have as much impact as a real honest to
                  >>>goodness picture. The pictures you showed look like high-resolution
                  >>>satellite photo montages, with the clouds and other 'flaws' removed by
                  >>>computer image-enhancing. Personally, it doesn't look as 'real' as the
                  >>>Apollo photo.
                  >>
                  >>Most large, hi-res Earth images are patched together and touched-up by
                  >>computer from dozens of satellite images. But, several famous ones were
                  >>taken by astronauts using hand-held cameras. I believe the one we're
                  >>talking about was taken on Apollo 17. I don't know; perhaps I'll look into
                  >>it further when I get some time. I don't think of clouds as flaws on the
                  >>face of the Earth; we live on a comparatively wet planet; they're natural.
                  >>My main point is to design a flag that would diffuse ingrained biases by
                  >>representing the entire globe, east and west. I found those images on the
                  >>Net in about 2 minutes with a Google search while busy with other things.
                  >>Perhaps with a bit more investigation, matching east-west photos of the
                  >>Earth could be found that have a modest amount of natural cloud cover. The
                  >>idea is to move away from imaging any particular nation or region as the
                  >>center of the planet.
                  >>
                  >>>Of course, the argument has been made that we don't need a
                  >>>symbol representing the planet Earth; unlike nation-states, which exist
                  >>>only in the human mind, the Earth is real. We're standing on our symbol
                  >>>right now.
                  >>
                  >>Well said. But, most people seem to crave symbols. And, even in all the
                  >>glory of our independence and sovereignty, a World Citizen will have need
                  >>of a community of like souls. More, symbols serve as a rallying point
                  >>around which to organize a cause. It would be hard to organize a movement
                  >>saying, "You, over there on your little patch of earth, and I here on
                  >>mine, are natural allies. The proof is that we both stand upon the Earth!"
                  >>Symbols help to make abstract ideas more concrete and easier to grasp. The
                  >>earth below my feet is a concrete thing, but the entire globe is not, nor
                  >>is a World Citizen -- they are abstract ideas. A flag symbol is something
                  >>one can easily visualize, and if it is a non-threatening and lovely image
                  >>of the Earth, then it could very well convey strength and conviction in
                  >>its very simplicity. Something to aim for, perhaps?
                  >>
                  >>Finally, I just arrived on this list. I expect that others have hashed out
                  >>these issues time and again in order to create the flags now available. I
                  >>do not wish to demean those efforts. I simply want to offer a constructive
                  >>extension of the ongoing discussion, not any kind of negative or cynical
                  >>criticism of the past evolution of the World Citizen symbol.
                  >>
                  >>Peace, William
                  >>
                  >>---------------------------------------------------------------
                  >>>World Peace and Unity,
                  >>>Gary
                  >>>
                  >>>At 03:09 PM 3/16/2006 +0900, you wrote:
                  >>> >This seems rather too obvious, but would it be possible to have a flag
                  >>> >with the Western Hemisphere on one side and the Easter Hemisphere on the
                  >>> >other? That might just eliminate the chance of bias -- unintended though
                  >>> >it may be. I know cost is a consideration, but already there are several
                  >>> >different flags at varying prices. You might also try to use photos
                  >>> >without so much cloud cover, even if the actual photos are not quite so
                  >>> >famous. The purpose is not really to glorify the American space program,
                  >>> >is it? We're trying to create a credible symbol of personal freedom and
                  >>> >sovereignty, world unity, and universal equity. Our symbol should refute
                  >>> >the ingrained biases and divisions of nationalism and exclusion. Lovely
                  >>> >images depicting the entire earth, undivided by boundaries of state,
                  >>> >politics, religion, and privilege would do just that. The two links below
                  >>> >show what I'm talking about. In my archives I have some great, very hi-rez
                  >>> >images downloaded long ago. I suppose copyright would be a factor here,
                  >>> >too, as they -- like any good photos of the Earth -- belong to NASA.
                  >>> >
                  >>> ><<http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.J
                  >>> PG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG
                  >>> ><http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Great1a.JPG>
                  >>> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Great1a.JPG
                  >>> >
                  >>> >Peace, William Newman
                  >>> >
                  >>> >On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
                  >>> >
                  >>> >>Hi
                  >>> >>The Earth Flag with which I am familiar is on a blue background, and is
                  >>> >>based on the famous Apollo photograph. As such, it is mostly clouds, but
                  >>> >>has, I believe, Arabia in the center.
                  >>> >>Peace,
                  >>> >>Gary
                  >>> >>
                  >>> >>At 01:56 AM 3/9/2006 +0000, you wrote:
                  >>> >> > > I wonder if what might be more effective is for individuals to
                  >>> fly the
                  >>> >> > > Earth flag from their homes, businesses, etc., in place of their
                  >>> >> > > national
                  >>> >> > > flags. I fly the Earth flag every day to declare my allegiance to the
                  >>> >> > > Republic of Earth. As far as I know, I am the only person in town
                  >>> >> > > who does
                  >>> >> > > this.
                  >>> >> > > World Peace and Unity,
                  >>> >> > > Gary
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >totally with you on that mate.  :-)
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >Does anyone sell really good ones?
                  >>> >> >A lot of the ones I've seen are a bit lo-fi.
                  >>> >> >A pro-designer should come up with something.
                  >>> >> >An Earth on a black background would be cool,
                  >>> >> >but certainly not those ghastly ones that put North America dead center.
                  >>> >> >(which is insulting and suggests planet America)
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >It should be Africa (human kinds center point)
                  >>> >> >or one that gives no preference to any country.
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >Check out Google Earth to get the right spin.
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >MIRAI
                  >>> >> >(Terra-ist!)
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >==============================
                  >>> >> ><<http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAcademy
                  >>> .org  London, U.K.
                  >>> >> >==============================
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is through
                  >>> world
                  >>> >> >government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
                  >>> >> >
                  >>> >> >For more information:
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                  >>> >> and
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                  >>> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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                  >>> >> >
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                • Ian Kenney
                  Yes, this is a fabulous idea. However, I wonder if a “companion” to the flag of a nation-state is really what we re after. We don t want something that is
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                    Yes, this is a fabulous idea. However, I wonder if a “companion” to the flag
                    of a nation-state is really what we're after. We don't want something that
                    is a “companion” do we? And should the flag we are proposing fly below the
                    flag of a nation-state, as is proposed in the website below? Seems to me the
                    flag of the world should fly above that of a single country. But perhaps I’m
                    being a little too aggressive in my approach….

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com]On
                    Behalf Of Mitch Gold
                    Sent: April 7, 2006 10:33 AM
                    To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] Re: earth flag

                    such a flag exists = and is being promoted = called the Companion Flag = and
                    is already used in many countries - flying along with the flag of the
                    country it is in.
                    http://www.companionflag.org/home.htm
                    I believe when it first started it was totally white, but after a time a
                    complementary colour was added - for symetry and aesthetics.

                    our organization, the IAEWP endorses this flag program along with numerous
                    other "world flag" programs.

                    Peace

                    Mitch


                    On 06/04/06, ikenney < ian@... <mailto:ian@...> > wrote:
                    An interesting debate.

                    I might humbly suggest a plain white flag - a flag of no colour - as
                    a symbol. Or lack of symbol really, which is probably what we should
                    be striving for.

                    Ian.
                  • ro-esp
                    ... 1st, I didn t read the tekst because it was too wide. Know that most computerscreeens show only 80 err.. characterspaces, so sset your machine to not cross
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                      Citeren William Newman <wmnewman@...>:

                      > Below: Replies to Ian and Heidi, and further discussion on the World
                      > Citizen symbol.

                      1st, I didn't read the tekst because it was too wide. Know that most
                      computerscreeens show only 80 err.. characterspaces, so sset your machine to
                      not cross that limit

                      2nd it was in HTML instead of plain text, so probably some couldn't read or
                      forward it - or had to pay for the extra kilobytes. Also, yahoo doesn't always
                      deliver such messages to digest-readers....

                      3rd you sent along entire previous messages, don't do that anymore please.
                      see http://www.learn.to quote

                      groetjes, Ronaldo

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                    • Gary K. Shepherd
                      Hi Really? Which country has a plain white flag, with no symbol on it? The World Almanac doesn t show one. Just curious, Gary ... Gary K. Shepherd Documents
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                        Hi
                        Really? Which country has a plain white flag, with no symbol on it? The
                        World Almanac doesn't show one.
                        Just curious,
                        Gary

                        At 04:33 PM 4/7/2006 +0200, you wrote:
                        >Citeren ikenney <ian@...>:
                        >
                        > > An interesting debate.
                        > >
                        > > I might humbly suggest a plain white flag - a flag of no colour - as
                        > > a symbol. Or lack of symbol really, which is probably what we should
                        > > be striving for.
                        >
                        >Unfortunately, that flag already belongs to a country
                        >
                        > groetjes, Ronaldo
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                          Hi
                          The symbol displayed on the front of the magazine I edit, UNITED WORLD, for
                          many years, was a double circle, representing the circle of humanity within
                          the circle of the world. For a while, I also included the letter UMR, the
                          initials for the Esperanto words for United World Republic. But I dropped
                          those for simplicity's sake. And by the way, I extend an invitation to
                          anyone who wants to submit an article on this subject to the magazine.
                          Peace and Unity,
                          Gary

                          At 01:44 AM 4/10/2006 +0900, you wrote:
                          >Below: Replies to Ian and Heidi, and further discussion on the World
                          >Citizen symbol.
                          >
                          >On Apr 7, 2006, at 5:28 AM, ikenney wrote:
                          >
                          >>An interesting debate.
                          >>
                          >>I might humbly suggest a plain white flag - a flag of no colour - as a
                          >>symbol. Or lack of symbol really, which is probably what we should be
                          >>striving for.
                          >>
                          >>Ian.
                          >
                          >Ian:
                          >
                          >Perhaps even more "Zen" than Heidi (below). I like both ideas. I
                          >especially love the simplicity in these ideas. Besides being very Zen
                          >(which I enjoyed practicing some years ago), it puts our symbol directly
                          >in line with ideas E. F. Schumacher < www.smallisbeautiful.org > put forth
                          >in his classic, "Small Is Beautiful : Economics as if People Mattered",
                          >which may be an interesting read for some list members here. Basically,
                          >basic is best, isn't it? ;-) Increasing world citizenship and borderless
                          >communities should simplify a great deal in all areas of life. It seems
                          >logical that our symbol should reflect this, doesn't it?
                          >
                          >Yet, here we run right up against already deeply established frames.
                          >Throughout history, to most people of the world, a white flag has had
                          >negative connotations. Do you think we are up to the task of altering this
                          >long-established, primal stereotype. A "colorless" flag is just hard to
                          >imagine. Similar to a white flag, I think Heidi's symbol of a circle (or
                          >zero, naught, and more), though often a positive symbol in the East, in
                          >the West is open to too many varying and potentially negative interpretations.
                          >
                          >See <
                          ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flag>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flag
                          >> for details on "white flags" and <
                          ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_%28disambiguation%29>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_%28disambiguation%29
                          >> for more on "circles". Also, you may want to check on related terms
                          >like zero, naught, etc. For more on "frames", see the clipping from an
                          >email I wrote to my brother last week (below) or search the net.
                          >
                          >On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:10 PM, Heidi Barathieu-Brun wrote:
                          >
                          >>To need symbols to feel united with the other humans must be the result
                          >>of a lack of an own strong personal Identity. Or in other words, the
                          >>unability to stand 'emptyness'. To stand this can be learned with ZEN
                          >>meditation, or similar excercises. But peoples do not want to learn, do
                          >>not want make themselve fit for an humanity being united, they only want
                          >>have a 'good humanity' presented on a silver plate, to which they may
                          >>vote 'yes or no'.
                          >>
                          >>Symbols 'yes or no', or what kind of symbol we should take, can not solve
                          >>the question: how to become a humanity which is surviving to itself.
                          >>
                          >>Heidi
                          >
                          >Heidi:
                          >
                          >Personally, I feel externally projected symbolism undesirable; I prefer to
                          >keep my symbols to myself unless there is a specific need to discuss them.
                          >Also, my experience of meditation was anything _but_ emptiness (which
                          >implies vacuousness), but full of a great deal of physical pain (in the
                          >early years), internal struggle (in the middle years), and finally a
                          >deeply personal and enduring experience of interconnectedness with all
                          >humanity and life at its fullest. It's not a practice easily undertaken,
                          >and I don't think it reasonable to make such a practice a prerequisite for
                          >gaining world citizenship. However, metaphorically, your idea may be
                          >useful for preparing oneself for world citizenship. Creating and growing
                          >this WC movement may have been most painful for the early pioneers, and
                          >furthering their work will involve no small amount of struggle if we
                          >expect to realize the goal:
                          >
                          >to establish an open, inclusive, and equitable world government peopled
                          >and controlled by autonomous, sovereign individuals holding inalienable
                          >rights to live, work, believe, etceteras, wherever and however they deem
                          >best, within the limits of doing no harm to others.
                          >
                          >What's more, I do not believe that the human desire for meaningful symbols
                          >to make more real abstract ideas is a sign of individual weakness, nor a
                          >lack of identity or desire to learn. This need has been with the human
                          >race since time out of mind. The symbolism of the Buddha, Muhammad, Jesus
                          >Christ, the Torah, the Gita, and many more controls the lives of the bulk
                          >of humanity, while symbols that come with socialist, capitalist and other
                          >social-economic models have claimed all the rest. The ability to create
                          >meaningful symbols has been vital to the evolution of the human race.
                          >Those who control our symbols control lives, the evolution of our
                          >societies, and of our very evolution as a species. Look where symbols
                          >established by such widely shared images as the movie, Star Wars, have
                          >brought us. Symbolism spreads on wings of stereotype and prejudice and,
                          >whether powered by engines of faith, superstition, or self interest, it
                          >will continue growing and engulfing our lives. It would not be useful to
                          >ignore, deny, or take lightly the importance of symbols.
                          >
                          >The issue is not whether a symbol is needed to establish a meaningful
                          >image in the minds of world citizenry, but _what_ symbols will be created,
                          >_who_ will create them, and _why_. The "why" should be established by the
                          >"who" in order to produce the most appropriate "what". On this list, the
                          >"why" is being established by those interested and involved in this
                          >discussion of a WC symbol. Those very people are the "who". The "what" is,
                          >specifically, a flag (of some kind), and established by a discussion of
                          >flag availability. All very mundane.
                          >
                          >The point: it would behoove us to ask ourselves this: If we do not create,
                          >with well-considered discussion, our own symbols, _who_ will do it for us?
                          >Are you prepared to wait until the media machines of various state
                          >authorities, some perhaps unfriendly to a growing body of autonomous world
                          >citizens, have painted in the minds of the otherwise uninformed, their
                          >pictures of who we are and of what we represent? It certainly harms none
                          >to discuss these issues.
                          >
                          >My own purpose for participating on this list is to find out who all of
                          >you are and what ideas you might have, and of what becoming a bonified
                          >World Citizen would mean to me and to my family.
                          >
                          >Once a need for a symbol is accepted, and that a flag bearing an image of
                          >the Earth is an appropriate form of this symbol, this discussion can go
                          >forward. To that end, I offer the following:
                          >
                          >Problem: How can we create an image of the earth -- east, west, north,
                          >south, or otherwise -- that is free of nationalism, regionalism,
                          >sectarianism, and all other "isms" and divisions and exclusions that the
                          >human mind is so frustratingly adept at creating?
                          >
                          >I was thinking a bit more in Gary's direction and got the notion that
                          >perhaps an image that does not actually reveal any particular geographical
                          >location may be better than trying to cover the entire earth. Increasing
                          >cloud cover (obscurity) might lead closer to a solution. Yet, reading
                          >comments on this list and elsewhere about such Earth images, one feels
                          >that dense cloud cover can give us a sense of wanting to know what's
                          >underneath. We scrutinize the image looking for signs of whether it
                          >depicts "us" or "them" and may feel satisfied (if us), excluded (if them),
                          >or frustrated (if impossible to tell). With a shift of focus from the
                          >entire circle of the globe to, say, a sparkling sunrise across the curve
                          >of the Earth, we may avoid such problems. We must remember that it is the
                          >purpose of such a symbol to engage us emotionally, to inspire us, and
                          >ultimately to make more intimate and real such abstract ideas as world
                          >citizenship and global community. What if we go further and explore even
                          >more artistically beautiful images (many of which are exquisitely rendered
                          >photographically), which may be especially emotionally inspiring and
                          >uplifting. Such an image could lend to all World Citizens an aura of
                          >cultivated grace and beauty -- regardless of how they might customarily be
                          >pigeonholed racially, socially, economically, politically, and so on. I
                          >was struck by the variety and beauty of Earth images available that do
                          >_not_ have the problems of an Earth heavily obscured by clouds, two images
                          >of the East & West hemispheres, or one depicting only a narrowly
                          >identifiable part of the globe. Such an image could open up a greater
                          >number of possible sources.
                          >
                          >Below are a few links to images that illustrate what I'm talking about.
                          >But, if you use Google Images or a similar search engine with a string
                          >something like, < earth world planet >, you will find a lot of images to
                          >sift through. Try varying the string for slightly different results, like
                          >this: < earth world planet gaia > or < earth space voyager >. Anyway, it's
                          >fun, but I have no more time tonight.
                          >
                          >Be well, all.
                          >William
                          >
                          >New links (Mar. 29)
                          >
                          >1. Outside, looking in:
                          >
                          >A lovely collection of Earth images. Scroll left to see best Earth photos.
                          >I chose to start you on Antarctica.
                          ><http://spacefinder.tripod.com/pages/014o.htm>http://spacefinder.tripod.com/pages/014o.htm
                          >
                          >Titled: "Earthrise" (NASA)
                          ><http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap051224.html>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap051224.html
                          >
                          >Titled: "Water World". Right off it doesn't seem a readily identifiable
                          >location, geographically, but one who knows this photo or place would
                          >recognize it. Nice photo.
                          ><http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/msm_images/01373.jpg>http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/msm_images/01373.jpg
                          >
                          >Titled: "Kissing the Earth". An artistically rendered photo.
                          ><http://www.novaspace.com/AUTO/PIX/Kissing.jpeg>http://www.novaspace.com/AUTO/PIX/Kissing.jpeg
                          >
                          >Earth: India, Malaysia, Australia. Not really usable due to the clearly
                          >identifiable location, but lovely.
                          ><http://www.shatters.net/celestia/images/gallery/earth.jpg>http://www.shatters.net/celestia/images/gallery/earth.jpg
                          >
                          >2. Inside, looking out (Why not? Why shouldn't we identify with the entire
                          >universe?... Just a thought. :-):
                          >
                          >Curve of Earth with moon (NASA)
                          ><http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap001028.html>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap001028.html
                          >
                          >Solar eclipse (NASA) Well, it's not the Earth, but something we earthlings
                          >see with our own eyes, which may be strong, symbolically.
                          ><http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3>http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3
                          >
                          >More on "frames"
                          >
                          >George Lakoff talks about how political and social discourse is is
                          >influenced by our "frames". Frames are how we distill and hold meaning
                          >from among the otherwise unmanageable plethora of information and events
                          >constantly bombarding us. He explains that, once formed, it may take many
                          >years to alter (redefine) our frames. Even illogical, destructive,
                          >unsupportable frames, once set, cannot easily be changed regardless of the
                          >veracity of "facts" and "proofs" given to the contrary. This covers a lot
                          >of essential ground touching on both politics and religion, and how we
                          >distill meaning from the world around us.
                          >
                          >George Lakoff
                          ><http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml>http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
                          >
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                          >>
                          >>----- Message d'origine -----
                          >>De: "Gary K. Shepherd" <<mailto:gshepher@...>gshepher@...>
                          >>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:40:53 -0600
                          >>Sujet: Re: [WorldCitizen] Re: earth flag
                          >>À: <mailto:WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com>WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
                          >>
                          >> >Hi
                          >> >I'm afraid my comment about not needing a symbol, as the nationalists do,
                          >> >was just shooting from the hip, but you seem to have given this matter
                          >> >considerable thought. The need for unifying symbols is certainly a very
                          >> >human thing. And the search for symbols that will be universally
                          >> meaningful
                          >> >to world citizens from every-which-where is an ongoing effort. We need
                          >> >symbols that are as easily identifiable as the swastika, the cross, or
                          >> the
                          >> >hammer and sickle. Personally, I've always favored a simple plain circle;
                          >> >which would represent both the Earth and the circle of humanity. If you
                          >> >would care to write an article on the subject, I'd be happy to publish it
                          >> >in the magazine I edit, UNITED WORLD.
                          >> >World Peace and Unity,
                          >> >Gary
                          >> >
                          >> >At 11:34 PM 3/24/2006 +0900, you wrote:
                          >> >>On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:55 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
                          >> >>
                          >> >>>Hi
                          >> >>>I'm not sure if it is "glorifying" the space program, but acknowledging
                          >> >>>it doesn't hurt.
                          >> >>
                          >> >>Perhaps my words seem strong. I don't intend to offend anyone personally,
                          >> >>but I _do_ believe the US space program is anything _but_ an innocent
                          >> >>bystander in the development of weapons which travel long distances to
                          >> >>deliver mass destruction upon the innocents of our world. It is
                          >> clearly an
                          >> >>organization which garners enormous respect (not to mention money) from
                          >> >>the general population by cultivating an image of altruistic service to
                          >> >>the public good and apparent distance from the military. Yet the research
                          >> >>serves no one better than the generals who need another stealth fighter
                          >> >>jet, or a convenient Star Wars space defense program, or a night vision
                          >> >>technology, or on and on.
                          >> >>
                          >> >>I was born and grew up in Houston Texas, and watched many of the early
                          >> >>famous space flights launch. It is very hard to free oneself of the
                          >> >>romantic notions of righteous glory instilled from that early age by such
                          >> >>dramatic images of space conquest. Yet, we can no longer afford to
                          >> support
                          >> >>the development and deployment of WMDs (or any weapons for that matter!).
                          >> >>As an American (still) I hold that the USA is the indisputable world
                          >> >>leader in the development and deployment of WMDs -- much of which was
                          >> made
                          >> >>possible by our so-called civilian space program.
                          >> >>
                          >> >>>A flag with different picture on each side might be a problem to produce,
                          >> >>
                          >> >>Yes, I thought it might be so. I don't know the logistics of flag making.
                          >> >>But perhaps the idea is worth pursuing a bit further.
                          >> >>
                          >> >>>and I don't think it would have as much impact as a real honest to
                          >> >>>goodness picture. The pictures you showed look like high-resolution
                          >> >>>satellite photo montages, with the clouds and other 'flaws' removed by
                          >> >>>computer image-enhancing. Personally, it doesn't look as 'real' as the
                          >> >>>Apollo photo.
                          >> >>
                          >> >>Most large, hi-res Earth images are patched together and touched-up by
                          >> >>computer from dozens of satellite images. But, several famous ones were
                          >> >>taken by astronauts using hand-held cameras. I believe the one we're
                          >> >>talking about was taken on Apollo 17. I don't know; perhaps I'll look
                          >> into
                          >> >>it further when I get some time. I don't think of clouds as flaws on the
                          >> >>face of the Earth; we live on a comparatively wet planet; they're
                          >> natural.
                          >> >>My main point is to design a flag that would diffuse ingrained biases by
                          >> >>representing the entire globe, east and west. I found those images on the
                          >> >>Net in about 2 minutes with a Google search while busy with other things.
                          >> >>Perhaps with a bit more investigation, matching east-west photos of the
                          >> >>Earth could be found that have a modest amount of natural cloud cover.
                          >> The
                          >> >>idea is to move away from imaging any particular nation or region as the
                          >> >>center of the planet.
                          >> >>
                          >> >>>Of course, the argument has been made that we don't need a
                          >> >>>symbol representing the planet Earth; unlike nation-states, which exist
                          >> >>>only in the human mind, the Earth is real. We're standing on our symbol
                          >> >>>right now.
                          >> >>
                          >> >>Well said. But, most people seem to crave symbols. And, even in all the
                          >> >>glory of our independence and sovereignty, a World Citizen will have need
                          >> >>of a community of like souls. More, symbols serve as a rallying point
                          >> >>around which to organize a cause. It would be hard to organize a movement
                          >> >>saying, "You, over there on your little patch of earth, and I here on
                          >> >>mine, are natural allies. The proof is that we both stand upon the
                          >> Earth!"
                          >> >>Symbols help to make abstract ideas more concrete and easier to grasp.
                          >> The
                          >> >>earth below my feet is a concrete thing, but the entire globe is not, nor
                          >> >>is a World Citizen -- they are abstract ideas. A flag symbol is something
                          >> >>one can easily visualize, and if it is a non-threatening and lovely image
                          >> >>of the Earth, then it could very well convey strength and conviction in
                          >> >>its very simplicity. Something to aim for, perhaps?
                          >> >>
                          >> >>Finally, I just arrived on this list. I expect that others have hashed
                          >> out
                          >> >>these issues time and again in order to create the flags now available. I
                          >> >>do not wish to demean those efforts. I simply want to offer a
                          >> constructive
                          >> >>extension of the ongoing discussion, not any kind of negative or cynical
                          >> >>criticism of the past evolution of the World Citizen symbol.
                          >> >>
                          >> >>Peace, William
                          >> >>
                          >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------
                          >> >>>World Peace and Unity,
                          >> >>>Gary
                          >> >>>
                          >> >>>At 03:09 PM 3/16/2006 +0900, you wrote:
                          >> >>> >This seems rather too obvious, but would it be possible to have a flag
                          >> >>> >with the Western Hemisphere on one side and the Easter Hemisphere
                          >> on the
                          >> >>> >other? That might just eliminate the chance of bias -- unintended
                          >> though
                          >> >>> >it may be. I know cost is a consideration, but already there are
                          >> several
                          >> >>> >different flags at varying prices. You might also try to use photos
                          >> >>> >without so much cloud cover, even if the actual photos are not quite so
                          >> >>> >famous. The purpose is not really to glorify the American space
                          >> program,
                          >> >>> >is it? We're trying to create a credible symbol of personal freedom and
                          >> >>> >sovereignty, world unity, and universal equity. Our symbol should
                          >> refute
                          >> >>> >the ingrained biases and divisions of nationalism and exclusion. Lovely
                          >> >>> >images depicting the entire earth, undivided by boundaries of state,
                          >> >>> >politics, religion, and privilege would do just that. The two links
                          >> below
                          >> >>> >show what I'm talking about. In my archives I have some great, very
                          >> hi-rez
                          >> >>> >images downloaded long ago. I suppose copyright would be a factor here,
                          >> >>> >too, as they -- like any good photos of the Earth -- belong to NASA.
                          >> >>> >
                          >> >>> ><<<http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingres
                          >> s1a.J>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.J
                          >> >>>
                          >> PG><http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG><http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Ingress1a.JPG
                          >> >>> ><<http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Great1a
                          >> .JPG>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Great1a.JPG>
                          >> >>> http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/transit/TV2004/Earth-Great1a.JPG
                          >> >>> >
                          >> >>> >Peace, William Newman
                          >> >>> >
                          >> >>> >On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
                          >> >>> >
                          >> >>> >>Hi
                          >> >>> >>The Earth Flag with which I am familiar is on a blue background,
                          >> and is
                          >> >>> >>based on the famous Apollo photograph. As such, it is mostly
                          >> clouds, but
                          >> >>> >>has, I believe, Arabia in the center.
                          >> >>> >>Peace,
                          >> >>> >>Gary
                          >> >>> >>
                          >> >>> >>At 01:56 AM 3/9/2006 +0000, you wrote:
                          >> >>> >> > > I wonder if what might be more effective is for individuals to
                          >> >>> fly the
                          >> >>> >> > > Earth flag from their homes, businesses, etc., in place of their
                          >> >>> >> > > national
                          >> >>> >> > > flags. I fly the Earth flag every day to declare my
                          >> allegiance to the
                          >> >>> >> > > Republic of Earth. As far as I know, I am the only person in town
                          >> >>> >> > > who does
                          >> >>> >> > > this.
                          >> >>> >> > > World Peace and Unity,
                          >> >>> >> > > Gary
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >totally with you on that mate. :-)
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >Does anyone sell really good ones?
                          >> >>> >> >A lot of the ones I've seen are a bit lo-fi.
                          >> >>> >> >A pro-designer should come up with something.
                          >> >>> >> >An Earth on a black background would be cool,
                          >> >>> >> >but certainly not those ghastly ones that put North America dead
                          >> center.
                          >> >>> >> >(which is insulting and suggests planet America)
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >It should be Africa (human kinds center point)
                          >> >>> >> >or one that gives no preference to any country.
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >Check out Google Earth to get the right spin.
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >MIRAI
                          >> >>> >> >(Terra-ist!)
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >==============================
                          >> >>> >> ><<<http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAcademy.org>http://EarthAc
                          >> ademy.org>http://EarthAcademy
                          >> >>> .org London, U.K.
                          >> >>> >> >==============================
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is through
                          >> >>> world
                          >> >>> >> >government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >For more information:
                          >> >>>
                          >> <<<http://www.worldservice.org>http://www.worldservice.org>http://www.worldservice.org>www.worldservice.org
                          >> >>> >> and
                          >> >>>
                          >> <<<mailto:info@...>mailto:info@...>mailto:info@...><<mailto:info@...>mailto:info@...><mailto:info@...>info@...
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >> >
                          >> >>> >>
                          >> >>> >>Gary K. Shepherd
                          >> >>> >>Documents Center
                          >> >>> >>Morris Library
                          >> >>> >>SIU
                          >> >>> >>Carbondale, IL 62901
                          >> >>> >>618-536-2163
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                          >> shepher@...><<mailto:gshep>mailto:gshep
                          >> >>>
                          >> <mailto:her@...>her@...><mailto:gshepher@...>gshepher@...
                          >> >>> >>
                          >> >>> >>
                          >> >>> >>
                          >> >>> >>
                          >> >>> >>
                          >> >>> >>"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is
                          >> through world
                          >> >>> >>government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
                          >> >>> >>
                          >> >>> >>For more information:
                          >> >>>
                          >> <<<http://www.worldservice.org>http://www.worldservice.org>http://www.worldservice.org>www.worldservice.org
                          >> >>> >>and
                          >> >>>
                          >> <<<mailto:info@...>mailto:info@...>mailto:info@...><<mailto:info@...>mailto:info@...><mailto:info@...>info@...
                          >> >>> >>
                          >> >>> >>
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                          Hi I suppose that would depend upon what kind of statement you were trying to make. If you believe, as many do, that your loyalty to the global commonwealth
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                            Hi
                            I suppose that would depend upon what kind of statement you were trying to
                            make. If you believe, as many do, that your loyalty to the global
                            commonwealth exists equivalent to and along with your loyalty to your
                            nation-state, then it makes sense to fly them side by side. If you believe
                            that you are a citizen of your nation-state first, but that you also have a
                            subsidiary loyalty to the Earth, then it makes sense to fly the
                            nation-state's flag above. If you believe you are a planetary citizen first
                            and foremost, and that your other loyalties to nation, state, province or
                            city, follow that in importance, then your suggestion makes the most sense.
                            I think the latter will be more likely to raise eyebrows, and be a way to
                            open discussions with people (and that, after all, is what we want).
                            Personally, I fly only the Earth flag and no other -- which perhaps avoids
                            the entire question.

                            World peace and Unity,
                            Gary

                            P.S. In the U.S. it is contrary to flag etiquette to fly any flag
                            whatsoever above the United States flag, and is technically breaking the
                            law. I doubt anyone would ever get arrested for it, though. A few years
                            back a town council in Colorado passed a law forbidding anyone from flying
                            the United Nations flag. It was later rescinded at the advice of the town's
                            attorney, who said that not only was the law unconstitutional, but that "it
                            makes us look like a bunch of idiots."

                            PPS. Hmmm. I wonder if it would be possible to find a sympathetic
                            Congressman who might be willing to introduce legislation making it legal
                            for people who considered themselves primarily world citizens to fly the
                            Earth flag above the U.S. flag. The same people who were pressing for a
                            flag desecration amendment a few years back would probably get hot under
                            the collar about that, and the controversy might provide some good
                            publicity for the cause.

                            G.S.

                            At 10:54 PM 4/11/2006 -0400, you wrote:
                            >Yes, this is a fabulous idea. However, I wonder if a “companion” to the flag
                            >of a nation-state is really what we're after. We don't want something that
                            >is a “companion” do we? And should the flag we are proposing fly below the
                            >flag of a nation-state, as is proposed in the website below? Seems to me the
                            >flag of the world should fly above that of a single country. But perhaps I’m
                            >being a little too aggressive in my approach….
                            >
                            >-----Original Message-----
                            >From: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com]On
                            >Behalf Of Mitch Gold
                            >Sent: April 7, 2006 10:33 AM
                            >To: WorldCitizen@yahoogroups.com
                            >Subject: Re: [WorldCitizen] Re: earth flag
                            >
                            >such a flag exists = and is being promoted = called the Companion Flag = and
                            >is already used in many countries - flying along with the flag of the
                            >country it is in.
                            >http://www.companionflag.org/home.htm
                            >I believe when it first started it was totally white, but after a time a
                            >complementary colour was added - for symetry and aesthetics.
                            >
                            >our organization, the IAEWP endorses this flag program along with numerous
                            >other "world flag" programs.
                            >
                            >Peace
                            >
                            >Mitch
                            >
                            >
                            >On 06/04/06, ikenney < ian@... <mailto:ian@...> > wrote:
                            >An interesting debate.
                            >
                            >I might humbly suggest a plain white flag - a flag of no colour - as
                            >a symbol. Or lack of symbol really, which is probably what we should
                            >be striving for.
                            >
                            >Ian.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is through world
                            >government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
                            >
                            >For more information: www.worldservice.org and info@...
                            >
                            >Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >

                            Gary K. Shepherd
                            Documents Center
                            Morris Library
                            SIU
                            Carbondale, IL 62901
                            618-536-2163
                            gshepher@...
                          • William Newman
                            ... (...) ... Gary: I ve looked around the Net for some sign of your magazine and found nothing. I checked the Southern Illinois University website and could
                            Message 13 of 22 , Apr 20, 2006
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                              On Apr 14, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:

                              > Hi
                              > The symbol displayed on the front of the magazine I edit, UNITED
                              > WORLD,
                              (...)
                              > Gary

                              Gary:

                              I've looked around the Net for some sign of your magazine and found
                              nothing. I checked the Southern Illinois University website and could
                              find nothing on you, either. Do you have a link to something that
                              will enlighten us a bit?

                              -- Wm.
                            • Gary K. Shepherd
                              Hi I m afraid that UNITED WORLD is not available electronically. For awhile, Civitatis International hosted an issue or two on their website, but I believe
                              Message 14 of 22 , Apr 26, 2006
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                                Hi
                                I'm afraid that UNITED WORLD is not available electronically. For awhile,
                                Civitatis International hosted an issue or two on their website, but I
                                believe that link is no longer working. UNITED WORLD is in no way connected
                                with Southern Illinois University, although I work there, which is why I
                                have this email address. UNITED WORLD is sponsored by, and serves as a
                                newsletter for, the Coalition for Democratic World Government. CDWG does
                                have a website: http://www.cdwg.org/home.htm We have talked about
                                developing an archive of old issues of UNITED WORLD, which has been
                                published continuously since 1988, on the site, but so far no one has been
                                able to get to it. As far as I am aware, UNITED WORLD is unique, serving as
                                an open forum for all members of the world unity movement.

                                World Peace and Unity,
                                Gary
                                At 12:46 PM 4/21/2006 +0900, you wrote:
                                >On Apr 14, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
                                >
                                > > Hi
                                > > The symbol displayed on the front of the magazine I edit, UNITED
                                > > WORLD,
                                >(...)
                                > > Gary
                                >
                                >Gary:
                                >
                                >I've looked around the Net for some sign of your magazine and found
                                >nothing. I checked the Southern Illinois University website and could
                                >find nothing on you, either. Do you have a link to something that
                                >will enlighten us a bit?
                                >
                                >-- Wm.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >"I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is through world
                                >government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
                                >
                                >For more information: www.worldservice.org and info@...
                                >
                                >Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >

                                Gary K. Shepherd
                                Documents Center
                                Morris Library
                                SIU
                                Carbondale, IL 62901
                                618-536-2163
                                gshepher@...
                              • William Newman
                                Gary: How would I get my hands on a copy of United World? I checked the link you sent. It looks interesting, but the site was last updated 3 years ago. If you
                                Message 15 of 22 , Apr 29, 2006
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                                  Gary:

                                  How would I get my hands on a copy of United World? I checked the
                                  link you sent. It looks interesting, but the site was last updated 3
                                  years ago. If you have UW issues stored in just about _any_
                                  electronic format, it may be possible simply to save them using
                                  Adobe's Portable Document Format (PDF), depending on your OS version,
                                  and upload them to a website (or post to individuals). Recently, I've
                                  been archiving a lot of material created on older systems as PDFs,
                                  which everybody and his grandmother seems to have no trouble using.
                                  All the recent mass of US tax documents sent between me and my
                                  accountant was done with PDFs.

                                  I look forward to reading some recent discussions on the issue of
                                  world government. I've been so down on government in all it's current
                                  horrendous incarnations it might take some convincing for me to
                                  believe that an altruistic and equitable world government is even
                                  possible. Those who hold the strings of purse and reins of power of
                                  all societies seem to be interested only in accumulating ever more
                                  wealth and control for themselves and their constituents. Watching
                                  the world scene it is clear that there are very few -- if any --
                                  human beings of heart, compassion, _humanity_ among them. I'm
                                  convinced that it is these very devils who have been culling from
                                  world societies (assassinating, killing) anyone and everyone who
                                  possibly _could_ articulately and convincingly challenge their
                                  regimes of war, fear, and overall general corruption. Who then, would
                                  be our leaders?

                                  -- Wm.

                                  On Apr 27, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:

                                  > Hi
                                  > I'm afraid that UNITED WORLD is not available electronically. For
                                  > awhile,
                                  > Civitatis International hosted an issue or two on their website, but I
                                  > believe that link is no longer working. UNITED WORLD is in no way
                                  > connected
                                  > with Southern Illinois University, although I work there, which is
                                  > why I
                                  > have this email address. UNITED WORLD is sponsored by, and serves as a
                                  > newsletter for, the Coalition for Democratic World Government. CDWG
                                  > does
                                  > have a website: http://www.cdwg.org/home.htm We have talked about
                                  > developing an archive of old issues of UNITED WORLD, which has been
                                  > published continuously since 1988, on the site, but so far no one
                                  > has been
                                  > able to get to it. As far as I am aware, UNITED WORLD is unique,
                                  > serving as
                                  > an open forum for all members of the world unity movement.
                                  >
                                  > World Peace and Unity,
                                  > Gary
                                  > At 12:46 PM 4/21/2006 +0900, you wrote:
                                  >> On Apr 14, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Gary K. Shepherd wrote:
                                  >>
                                  >>> Hi
                                  >>> The symbol displayed on the front of the magazine I edit, UNITED
                                  >>> WORLD,
                                  >> (...)
                                  >>> Gary
                                  >>
                                  >> Gary:
                                  >>
                                  >> I've looked around the Net for some sign of your magazine and found
                                  >> nothing. I checked the Southern Illinois University website and could
                                  >> find nothing on you, either. Do you have a link to something that
                                  >> will enlighten us a bit?
                                  >>
                                  >> -- Wm.
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> "I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is
                                  >> through world
                                  >> government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
                                  >>
                                  >> For more information: www.worldservice.org and info@...
                                  >>
                                  >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >
                                  > Gary K. Shepherd
                                  > Documents Center
                                  > Morris Library
                                  > SIU
                                  > Carbondale, IL 62901
                                  > 618-536-2163
                                  > gshepher@...
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > "I have believed that the only way peace can be achieved is through
                                  > world government" (Jawaharal Nehru)
                                  >
                                  > For more information: www.worldservice.org and info@...
                                  >
                                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
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