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  • Bob Wynman
    Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@wynman.com) As Lou s son, Erik (the pilot & MoldWarrior) sez: When they come for your guns, look up.
    Message 1 of 4 , Feb 19, 2013
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      Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) As Lou's son, Erik (the pilot & MoldWarrior) sez:

      "When they come for your guns, look up. There will be a drone overhead."

      --bob & lou

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Joanne Hare
      To: Kevin
      Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 6:31 PM
      Subject: The drone threat


      Ron Paul: The Drone Threat

      Ron Paul
      Prison Planet.com
      Feb 18, 2013

      Last week, Senators threatened to put a “hold” on the nomination of John Brennan to be CIA director over his refusal to answer questions about the use of drones to kill Americans on US soil. That the president’s nominee to head the agency that has used drones to kill perhaps thousands overseas could not deny their possible use at home should be shocking. How did we get to this point?

      The Obama administration has rapidly expanded the use of drones overseas, as they appear a way to expand US military action without the political risk of American boots on the ground.

      In fact they are one of the main reasons a recent Gallup survey of Pakistan, where most US drone strikes take place, found that 92% disapprove of U.S. leadership. This is the lowest approval rate Pakistan citizens have ever given to the United States. And it is directly related to US drone strikes. The risk of blowback increases all the time. However the false propaganda about the success of our drone program overseas leads officials to believe that drones should also be used over US soil as well.

      In attempt to ease criticism of the use of drones against Americans, some in Congress propose more oversight, as if that should make us feel any better. In last week’s hearings, CIA nominee Brennan suggested that he was open to a Congressional proposal to set up a secret court to oversee the president’s program to kill Americans by drone. Should we cheer that a court selected by government officials will meet in secret to oversee the president’s secret decisions on killing Americans without charge or trial? Has the Constitution been so eroded that we accept such a horrific and terrifying prospect?

      While touting the success of its overseas drone program, the US administration refuses to even admit publicly that the CIA has an overseas drone program. In response to a recent ACLU Freedom of Information request regarding the existence of the CIA’s drone program, the Department of Justice responded, “”the very fact of the existence or nonexistence of such documents is itself classified.” How is that for government transparency?

      Recently, Federal Aviation Administration official, Jim Williams, stated that no armed drones would presently be permitted in US airspace. But what good are the promises of government officials when the Constitution, and especially the Fourth Amendment, has been gutted? More than 1,400 applications to use drones in US airspace have been approved, including for police, universities, and at least seven federal agencies. Do we want to live in a society where the government is constantly watching us from above? The East Germans and Soviets could only dream of such technology in the days of their dictatorship. We might ask ourselves how long before “extraordinary” circumstances will lead to a decision to arm those drones over US territory.

      The US government justified its attack on Saddam Hussein in Iraq and against Gaddafi in Libya, and elsewhere, with claims that these despots were killing their own citizens without trial or due process. It is true that extra-juridical killing is the opposite of justice in a free society.

      As Judge Andrew Napolitano wrote last week about the president’s assassination program, “When [the president] kills without due process, he disobeys the laws he has sworn to uphold, no matter who agrees with him. When we talk about killing as if it were golf, we debase ourselves. And when the government kills and we put our heads in the sand, woe to us when there is no place to hide.”



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      "The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual crime. "

      --Max Stirner
      [Johann Kaspar Schmidt] (1806-1856) German philosopher
      Source: The Ego and His Own

      Do you want to live in an authoritarian society? Do you desire an intrusive government? Do you wish for a government that is a nanny state? Do you yearn for government bureaucrats to tell you what you can and cannot do? Do you like puritanical busybodies telling you how to live your life? Do you believe that the government should define and enforce morality? Do you reason that vices should be crimes? Then you should support the war on drugs.

      — Laurence M. Vance, “The War on Private Property” [October 18, 2012]


      --bob & lou
    • Bob Wynman
      Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@wynman.com) From Jack Douglas: The Drone Program in America is a secret-secret no one is supposed to even
      Message 2 of 4 , Feb 21, 2013
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        Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) From Jack Douglas:

        The Drone Program in America is a secret-secret no one is supposed to even talk about. Like the Phoenix Program in Nam and the Black Ops Death Squads since Eisenhower and Dulles of CIA established them in cooperation with Mafia death squads to murder Castro and other rulers and like NSA for so many years {No Such Agency}. no such Program exists officially.


        The American Totalitarian Police State is being built at an extremely rapid rate now, rushing toward Absolute Power and the Implosion that will follow, possibly even Global Thermonuclear War.


        The U.S. Rulers have gone completely insane with Hubris and feel totally threatened by the Great Global Crisis they created and by the rage of the world against the U.S. for all of this.


        Jack

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        More on drones from http://news.yahoo.com/drones-large-small-coming-us-010537668.html:

        --bob & lou

        "Most of the drones that have begun to appear in the skies above the U.S. homeland don't resemble the Predators or Reapers flown by the U.S. military and CIA above Afghanistan and Pakistan. Instead, these smaller versions of flying, unmanned vehicles almost rival the animal kingdom in their diversity.
        Government agencies such as NASA and U.S. Customs and Border Protection operate aircraft-size military drones that take off from runways like airplanes. Labs in the United States have even built tiny drones that look like hummingbirds. But most drones resemble the radio-controlled aircraft and toy helicopters flown by hobbyists for decades, capable of taking off horizontally, vertically or by being thrown into the air like a trained falcon or hawk.

        "To say they're all the same is not accurate at all,” said Kevin Lauscher, an industrial sales representative for Draganfly Innovations Inc.

        The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration does not plan to permit drones armed with weapons in U.S. civilian airspace, according to an official quoted by the Washington Times. But state agencies, sheriff's offices and universities have already found more widespread use for drones that carry cameras for taking photos or video from above.

        "If you look at the capabilities, there are small, quad helicopters and rotor helicopters that can be fitted with a camera and fit in the palm of your hand," Lauscher told TechNewsDaily. "They go all the way up [in size] to a Global Hawk,” which is a relatively large military drone.

        Draganfly Innovations builds small drones weighing less than 5 pounds that fly under the control of a human operator using two joysticks. The Canadian company has sold some drones to law enforcement for taking pictures or video of traffic accidents or crime scenes, as well as aiding SWAT teams preparing to storm a building or housing compound. [7 Next Generation UAVs]

        But law enforcement represents a relatively small part of Draganfly's business. Many more clients use drones to cheaply inspect the exterior of huge factories, manufacturing facilities or construction sites. Drones could even help check on tall structures such as wind turbines, Lauscher said.

        FAA drone license applications tracked by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit digital rights organization, suggest many other possible uses. Some U.S. states have begun considering drones for checking on highway traffic conditions, inspecting bridges and fighting wildfires. U.S. corporations, such as FedEx, have already begun planning for the day when drones could deliver packages.

        Unlike free-flying birds, practically every unmanned aerial vehicle known as a drone flies under some form of human remote control. But university labs have already shown how pre-programmed drones can carry out intricate flight patterns, and military-grade drones have emergency backup routines in case they lose the signal connection to their human operators.

        Bird watchers accustomed to spotting a gaggle of geese or a murder of crows may someday spot similar groupings of drones. Such drone swarms will likely use advanced forms of today's artificial intelligence programs to coordinate their missions without precise human control, a future with possibilities both delightful and daunting.

        "Can drone technology be abused? Absolutely," Lauscher said. "Can they be beneficial and save lives? Absolutely."

        This story was provided by TechNewsDaily, a sister site to LiveScience. You can follow TechNewsDaily Senior Writer Jeremy Hsu on Twitter @jeremyhsu. Follow TechNewsDaily on Twitter @TechNewsDaily, or on Facebook.

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        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:08 AM
        Subject: Re: "Look up": The drone threat


        Bob,


        Thanks for sending this great statement.


        The Drone Program in America is a secret-secret no one is supposed to even talk about. Like the Phoenix Program in Nam and the Black Ops Death Squads since Eisenhower and Dulles of CIA established them in cooperation with Mafia death squads to murder Castro and other rulers and like NSA for so many years {No Such Agency}. no such Program exists officially.


        The American Totalitarian Police State is being built at an extremely rapid rate now, rushing toward Absolute Power and the Implosion that will follow, possibly even Global Thermonuclear War.


        The U.S. Rulers have gone completely insane with Hubris and feel totally threatened by the Great Global Crisis they created and by the rage of the world against the U.S. for all of this.


        Jack




        On Feb 19, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Bob Wynman <bobalou@...> wrote:


        As Lou's son, Erik (the pilot & MoldWarrior) sez:

        "When they come for your guns, look up. There will be a drone overhead."

        --bob & lou

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Joanne Hare
        To: Kevin
        Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 6:31 PM
        Subject: The drone threat


        Ron Paul: The Drone Threat

        Ron Paul
        Prison Planet.com
        Feb 18, 2013

        Last week, Senators threatened to put a “hold” on the nomination of John Brennan to be CIA director over his refusal to answer questions about the use of drones to kill Americans on US soil. That the president’s nominee to head the agency that has used drones to kill perhaps thousands overseas could not deny their possible use at home should be shocking. How did we get to this point?

        The Obama administration has rapidly expanded the use of drones overseas, as they appear a way to expand US military action without the political risk of American boots on the ground.

        In fact they are one of the main reasons a recent Gallup survey of Pakistan, where most US drone strikes take place, found that 92% disapprove of U.S. leadership. This is the lowest approval rate Pakistan citizens have ever given to the United States. And it is directly related to US drone strikes. The risk of blowback increases all the time. However the false propaganda about the success of our drone program overseas leads officials to believe that drones should also be used over US soil as well.

        In attempt to ease criticism of the use of drones against Americans, some in Congress propose more oversight, as if that should make us feel any better. In last week’s hearings, CIA nominee Brennan suggested that he was open to a Congressional proposal to set up a secret court to oversee the president’s program to kill Americans by drone. Should we cheer that a court selected by government officials will meet in secret to oversee the president’s secret decisions on killing Americans without charge or trial? Has the Constitution been so eroded that we accept such a horrific and terrifying prospect?

        While touting the success of its overseas drone program, the US administration refuses to even admit publicly that the CIA has an overseas drone program. In response to a recent ACLU Freedom of Information request regarding the existence of the CIA’s drone program, the Department of Justice responded, “”the very fact of the existence or nonexistence of such documents is itself classified.” How is that for government transparency?

        Recently, Federal Aviation Administration official, Jim Williams, stated that no armed drones would presently be permitted in US airspace. But what good are the promises of government officials when the Constitution, and especially the Fourth Amendment, has been gutted? More than 1,400 applications to use drones in US airspace have been approved, including for police, universities, and at least seven federal agencies. Do we want to live in a society where the government is constantly watching us from above? The East Germans and Soviets could only dream of such technology in the days of their dictatorship. We might ask ourselves how long before “extraordinary” circumstances will lead to a decision to arm those drones over US territory.

        The US government justified its attack on Saddam Hussein in Iraq and against Gaddafi in Libya, and elsewhere, with claims that these despots were killing their own citizens without trial or due process. It is true that extra-juridical killing is the opposite of justice in a free society.

        As Judge Andrew Napolitano wrote last week about the president’s assassination program, “When [the president] kills without due process, he disobeys the laws he has sworn to uphold, no matter who agrees with him. When we talk about killing as if it were golf, we debase ourselves. And when the government kills and we put our heads in the sand, woe to us when there is no place to hide.”



        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------




        "The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual crime. "

        --Max Stirner
        [Johann Kaspar Schmidt] (1806-1856) German philosopher
        Source: The Ego and His Own

        Do you want to live in an authoritarian society? Do you desire an intrusive government? Do you wish for a government that is a nanny state? Do you yearn for government bureaucrats to tell you what you can and cannot do? Do you like puritanical busybodies telling you how to live your life? Do you believe that the government should define and enforce morality? Do you reason that vices should be crimes? Then you should support the war on drugs.

        — Laurence M. Vance, “The War on Private Property” [October 18, 2012]


        --bob & lou
      • Earl
        Earl Reese holder of a doctorate in Psychology and WWP Email Member (earljreese@gmail.com) That’s hardly the case Bo7b. Paul has been to a base in Arizona
        Message 3 of 4 , Feb 21, 2013
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          Earl Reese holder of a doctorate in Psychology and WWP Email Member (earljreese@...) That’s hardly the case Bo7b. Paul has been to a base in Arizona and seen them fly with some report of capability. Not really some secret.

          Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) from Jack Douglas:

          The Drone Program in America is a secret-secret no one is supposed to even talk about. Like the Phoenix Program in Nam and the Black Ops Death Squads since Eisenhower and Dulles of CIA established them in cooperation with Mafia death squads to murder Castro and other rulers and like NSA for so many years {No Such Agency}. no such Program exists officially.

          The American Totalitarian Police State is being built at an extremely rapid rate now, rushing toward Absolute Power and the Implosion that will follow, possibly even Global Thermonuclear War.

          The U.S. Rulers have gone completely insane with Hubris and feel totally threatened by the Great Global Crisis they created and by the rage of the world against the U.S. for all of this.

          Jack

          --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          More on drones from http://news.yahoo.com/drones-large-small-coming-us-010537668.html:

          --bob & lou

          "Most of the drones that have begun to appear in the skies above the U.S. homeland don't resemble the Predators or Reapers flown by the U.S. military and CIA above Afghanistan and Pakistan. Instead, these smaller versions of flying, unmanned vehicles almost rival the animal kingdom in their diversity.
          Government agencies such as NASA and U.S. Customs and Border Protection operate aircraft-size military drones that take off from runways like airplanes. Labs in the United States have even built tiny drones that look like hummingbirds. But most drones resemble the radio-controlled aircraft and toy helicopters flown by hobbyists for decades, capable of taking off horizontally, vertically or by being thrown into the air like a trained falcon or hawk.

          "To say they're all the same is not accurate at all,” said Kevin Lauscher, an industrial sales representative for Draganfly Innovations Inc.

          The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration does not plan to permit drones armed with weapons in U.S. civilian airspace, according to an official quoted by the Washington Times. But state agencies, sheriff's offices and universities have already found more widespread use for drones that carry cameras for taking photos or video from above.

          "If you look at the capabilities, there are small, quad helicopters and rotor helicopters that can be fitted with a camera and fit in the palm of your hand," Lauscher told TechNewsDaily. "They go all the way up [in size] to a Global Hawk,” which is a relatively large military drone.

          Draganfly Innovations builds small drones weighing less than 5 pounds that fly under the control of a human operator using two joysticks. The Canadian company has sold some drones to law enforcement for taking pictures or video of traffic accidents or crime scenes, as well as aiding SWAT teams preparing to storm a building or housing compound. [7 Next Generation UAVs]

          But law enforcement represents a relatively small part of Draganfly's business. Many more clients use drones to cheaply inspect the exterior of huge factories, manufacturing facilities or construction sites. Drones could even help check on tall structures such as wind turbines, Lauscher said.

          FAA drone license applications tracked by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit digital rights organization, suggest many other possible uses. Some U.S. states have begun considering drones for checking on highway traffic conditions, inspecting bridges and fighting wildfires. U.S. corporations, such as FedEx, have already begun planning for the day when drones could deliver packages.

          Unlike free-flying birds, practically every unmanned aerial vehicle known as a drone flies under some form of human remote control. But university labs have already shown how pre-programmed drones can carry out intricate flight patterns, and military-grade drones have emergency backup routines in case they lose the signal connection to their human operators.

          Bird watchers accustomed to spotting a gaggle of geese or a murder of crows may someday spot similar groupings of drones. Such drone swarms will likely use advanced forms of today's artificial intelligence programs to coordinate their missions without precise human control, a future with possibilities both delightful and daunting.

          "Can drone technology be abused? Absolutely," Lauscher said. "Can they be beneficial and save lives? Absolutely."

          This story was provided by TechNewsDaily, a sister site to LiveScience. You can follow TechNewsDaily Senior Writer Jeremy Hsu on Twitter @jeremyhsu. Follow TechNewsDaily on Twitter @TechNewsDaily, or on Facebook.

          a.. 10 Military Technologies to Change Soldiers' Lives
          b.. Video: RoboBees: Design Poses Intriguing Engineering Challenges
          c.. 10 Ways the Government Watches You
          Copyright 2013 LiveScience, a TechMediaNetwork company. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed."
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:08 AM
          Subject: Re: "Look up": The drone threat

          Bob,

          Thanks for sending this great statement.

          The Drone Program in America is a secret-secret no one is supposed to even talk about. Like the Phoenix Program in Nam and the Black Ops Death Squads since Eisenhower and Dulles of CIA established them in cooperation with Mafia death squads to murder Castro and other rulers and like NSA for so many years {No Such Agency}. no such Program exists officially.

          The American Totalitarian Police State is being built at an extremely rapid rate now, rushing toward Absolute Power and the Implosion that will follow, possibly even Global Thermonuclear War.

          The U.S. Rulers have gone completely insane with Hubris and feel totally threatened by the Great Global Crisis they created and by the rage of the world against the U.S. for all of this.

          Jack


          Rick Branson P.O. Box 207, North Hollywood, CA. 91603 aka (VictoryUSA@...)\ As Lou's son, Erik (the pilot & MoldWarrior) sez:

          "When they come for your guns, look up. There will be a drone overhead."

          --bob & lou
        • kurt31416
          Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@yahoo.com] More drones please. I say we get General Motors to build them mass production. We own it, we should be able to get
          Message 4 of 4 , Feb 23, 2013
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            Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@...] More drones please.

            I say we get General Motors to build them mass production. We own it, we should be able to get them cheaper than a Chevy. Let's make the skies black with them. We can cut the military budget in half.


            Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) From Jack
            Douglas:

            The Drone Program in America is a secret-secret no one is supposed to even talk
            about. Like the Phoenix Program in Nam and the Black Ops Death Squads since
            Eisenhower and Dulles of CIA established them in cooperation with Mafia death
            squads to murder Castro and other rulers and like NSA for so many years {No
            Such Agency}. no such Program exists officially.


            The American Totalitarian Police State is being built at an extremely rapid rate
            now, rushing toward Absolute Power and the Implosion that will follow, possibly
            even Global Thermonuclear War.


            The U.S. Rulers have gone completely insane with Hubris and feel totally
            threatened by the Great Global Crisis they created and by the rage of the world
            against the U.S. for all of this.


            Jack
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