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  • Don Divine
    Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@sbcglobal.net) Most Effective Tool Used to Sell Socialism to Americans? Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L.
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      Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@...) Most Effective Tool Used
      to Sell Socialism to Americans?
      Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L. Goetsch

      One of the most effective, albeit hypocritical, tools used by the
      left to “sell” socialism to the American public is false compassion. Aided
      and abetted by the media, the left claims to be more compassionate toward the
      so-called victims in society—a message that plays well to Americans encouraged
      by trial lawyers and government bureaucrats to view themselves as victims.
      However, the truth is that conservatives are significantly more compassionate
      in giving to the needy than are liberals. For example, conservatives give a
      much higher percentage of their personal income to charity than do liberals.
      For a complete accounting of this fact—a fact that is little known because
      liberal journalists keep it under wraps—see Who
      Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism (New York: Basic Books, 2006) by Arthur C.
      Brooks. What Brooks demonstrates in his book is that liberals are generous with
      the money of other people, but stingy with their own, and that the attitudes of
      liberals toward the needy are condescending, paternal, and opportunistic (i.e.
      if liberals can create a broad base of people who are dependent on the
      government they can ensure a broad base of support in elections).

      In fact, with the assistance of the media and trial lawyers
      liberals have turned victimhood into one of America’s most prospering
      industries. Unfortunately, the so-called compassion of the left is the type
      that gives in to the alcoholic who begs for a drink or the addict who pleads
      for a fix. Giving might stop the tears for the moment, but it will just make
      the addiction worse in the long run. The unavoidable result of this advocacy of
      victimhood is the encouragement of dependence and entitlement. The more that
      people view themselves as entitled victims, the more dependent they become. The
      more dependent citizens become, the faster America slides downhill toward
      socialism.

      The left has mastered the art of compassion
      rhetoric and uses it effectively
      to sell socialism to a gullible American public. Smiling socialists sell their
      philosophy in the same way a snake oil salesman hawks his wares. One of the
      left’s favorite terms for selling socialism is equality. “Equality” has become the mantra of the left. After all, didn’t
      Thomas Jefferson advocate equality for all men in the Declaration of
      Independence? Didn’t Jefferson say that “…all men are created equal”?
      Historians still debate whether Jefferson meant that all men are created equal
      before God, before the law, or in human dignity. But there are no serious
      scholars who believe he meant what the left means by equality: equality of outcome.

      The left advocates, legislates, and sometimes intimidates in its
      on-going attempts to guarantee equality of outcome in society regardless of
      merit or effort. Anyone on the right who dares claim that an unproductive
      member of society deserves less than a productive member is quickly labeled
      “hard-hearted” or “mean-spirited.” The left makes no connection between
      contribution and reward. Leftists find nothing wrong with taking from a
      productive person and giving to an unproductive person, even one who has the
      potential to be productive but makes no effort to be. Socialists call this
      government-ordained theft “redistribution of wealth,” one of president Obama’s
      favorite concepts. The radical left thinks it is unfair for a thrifty,
      diligent, self-reliant producer who pulls America’s economic wagon to have more
      than a lazy, irresponsible, entitled person who just rides in the wagon. This
      is one of the main reasons for socialism’s long and consistent record of
      failure.
      This is the sixth in a 10 part series on Socialism:
      What’s So Bad About Socialism? (Intro)
      How Do You Define Socialism? (Part 1)
      Beginnings of American Socialism in Public
      Education? (Part 2)
      Socialism’s First Casualties (Part 3)
      14 Reasons Socialism Won’t Work in America (Part
      4)
      Socialism’s Fundamental Flaw that Liberals Simply
      Ignore (Part 5)


      Read more: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/most-effective-tool-used-to-sell-socialism-to-americans/#ixzz2LBaav1Og
       

      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
      Thomas Jefferson
       

       
      “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and fearful master.”
      George Washington


      “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!”
      --Patrick Henry 
    • Robin Crane
      Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@gmail.com) Oh, tis IMPOSSIBLE, isn t it that decent people can somehow come up with ideas that vary from Don s? Amazing,
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        Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@...) Oh, 'tis IMPOSSIBLE, isn't it that decent people can somehow come up with
        ideas that vary from Don's? Amazing, isn't it? There's only ONE way to
        think, and that is Don's way.

        Anyone who disagrees is "false." They can't possibly feel "compassion,"
        can they? They can't possibly have good families, love their spouses and
        their children, value their country, love their fellow-man, attend church
        (or not) for healthy reasons, serve in their communities, teach school,
        fight fires, run the national parks, clean the streets, cook the
        hamburgers, wait on tables, run small businesses, etc., AND STILL DISAGREE
        WITH DON!

        Disagree with Don, and you get labeled "false." I hope the other 99.99999%
        of the world that doesn't think like Don is quaking in their boots as the
        ONE RIGHT PERSON is labelling you "false." Oh, woe is us! What a
        judgment, to be "false" with Don!

        *Robin Crane*
        *========================================================*

        *"When scientific power outruns moral power,
        we end up with guided missiles and
        misguided men.”
        Martin Luther King, Jr., 1967 *

        *=========================================================*



        On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Don Divine <d3869@...> wrote:

        > *Most Effective Tool Used to Sell Socialism to Americans? *
        > Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L. Goetsch<http://patriotupdate.com/author/davidgoetsch/>
        > ****
        >
        > One of the most effective, albeit hypocritical, tools used by the left to
        > “sell” socialism to the American public is false compassion*. *Aided and
        > abetted by the media, the left claims to be more compassionate toward the
        > so-called victims in society—a message that plays well to Americans
        > encouraged by trial lawyers and government bureaucrats to view themselves
        > as victims. However, the truth is that conservatives are significantly more
        > compassionate in giving to the needy than are liberals. For example,
        > conservatives give a much higher percentage of their personal income to
        > charity than do liberals. For a complete accounting of this fact—a fact
        > that is little known because liberal journalists keep it under wraps—see *Who
        > Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism *(New
        > York: Basic Books, 2006) by Arthur C. Brooks. What Brooks demonstrates in
        > his book is that liberals are generous with the money of other people, but
        > stingy with their own, and that the attitudes of liberals toward the needy
        > are condescending, paternal, and opportunistic (i.e. if liberals can create
        > a broad base of people who are dependent on the government they can ensure
        > a broad base of support in elections).****
        >
        > In fact, with the assistance of the media and trial lawyers liberals have
        > turned victimhood into one of America’s most prospering industries.
        > Unfortunately, the so-called compassion of the left is the type that gives
        > in to the alcoholic who begs for a drink or the addict who pleads for a
        > fix. Giving might stop the tears for the moment, but it will just make the
        > addiction worse in the long run. The unavoidable result of this advocacy of
        > victimhood is the encouragement of dependence and entitlement. The more
        > that people view themselves as entitled victims, the more dependent they
        > become. The more dependent citizens become, the faster America slides
        > downhill toward socialism.****
        >
        > The left has mastered the art of *compassion rhetoric *and uses it
        > effectively to sell socialism to a gullible American public. Smiling
        > socialists sell their philosophy in the same way a snake oil salesman hawks
        > his wares. One of the left’s favorite terms for selling socialism is *equality.
        > *“Equality” has become the mantra of the left. After all, didn’t Thomas
        > Jefferson advocate equality for all men in the Declaration of Independence?
        > Didn’t Jefferson say that “…all men are created equal”? Historians still
        > debate whether Jefferson meant that all men are created equal before God,
        > before the law, or in human dignity. But there are no serious scholars who
        > believe he meant what the left means by equality: *equality of outcome. **
        > ***
        >
        > The left advocates, legislates, and sometimes intimidates in its on-going
        > attempts to guarantee equality of outcome in society regardless of merit or
        > effort. Anyone on the right who dares claim that an unproductive member of
        > society deserves less than a productive member is quickly labeled
        > “hard-hearted” or “mean-spirited.” The left makes no connection between
        > contribution and reward. Leftists find nothing wrong with taking from a
        > productive person and giving to an unproductive person, even one who has
        > the potential to be productive but makes no effort to be. Socialists call
        > this government-ordained theft “redistribution of wealth,” one of president
        > Obama’s favorite concepts. The radical left thinks it is unfair for a
        > thrifty, diligent, self-reliant producer who pulls America’s economic wagon
        > to have more than a lazy, irresponsible, entitled person who just rides in
        > the wagon. This is one of the main reasons for socialism’s long and
        > consistent record of failure.****
        > This is the sixth in a 10 part series on Socialism:****
        > What’s So Bad About Socialism? (Intro)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/whats-so-bad-about-socialism-everything>
        > ****
        > How Do You Define Socialism? (Part 1)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/how-do-you-define-socialism>
        > ****
        > Beginnings of American Socialism in Public Education? (Part 2)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/beginnings-of-american-socialism-in-public-education>
        > ****
        > Socialism’s First Casualties (Part 3)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/socialisms-first-casualties>
        > ****
        > 14 Reasons Socialism Won’t Work in America (Part 4)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/14-reasons-socialism-wont-work-in-america>
        > ****
        > Socialism’s Fundamental Flaw that Liberals Simply Ignore (Part 5)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/socialisms-fundamental-flaw-that-liberals-simply-ignore>
        > ****
        >
        >
        > Read more:
        > http://patriotupdate.com/articles/most-effective-tool-used-to-sell-socialism-to-americans/#ixzz2LBaav1Og
        > ****
        >
        >
        > "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood
        > of patriots and tyrants."
        > Thomas Jefferson<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109180.html>
        >
        >
        > “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force. Like fire,
        > it is a dangerous servant and fearful master.”
        > George Washington
        >
        > “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of
        > chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others
        > may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!”
        > --Patrick Henry
        >
      • MARK CARPENTER
        MARK CARPENTER WWP Poster designated a girly man by Ducky (carpbear@sbcglobal.net) Robin: This is one of your very best posts; and you have described *to a
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          MARK CARPENTER WWP Poster designated a girly man by Ducky (carpbear@...) Robin:

          This is one of your very best posts; and you have described *to a 'T'* why I
          lump Don Divine in with the Shammaite Pharisees (who were the ones Jesus went
          after in his discourses against the Pharisees). The Shammaites were an absolute
          *horror*, and they ruled with an iron fist. The Hillelites were very much in
          line with Jesus' thinking; and they were also the group with whom Paul was
          affiliated. (Remember: at least three, and as many of six epistles attributed
          to Paul were not written by Paul at all.)

          Mark


          "It is better to vote for what you want and not get it
          than it is to vote for what you don't want and get it."
          --Eugene V. Debs



          Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@...) Oh, 'tis IMPOSSIBLE, isn't it that decent people can somehow come up with ideas
          that vary from Don's? Amazing, isn't it? There's only ONE way to think, and
          that is Don's way.

          Anyone who disagrees is "false." They can't possibly feel "compassion," can
          they? They can't possibly have good families, love their spouses and their
          children, value their country, love their fellow-man, attend church (or not) for
          healthy reasons, serve in their communities, teach school, fight fires, run the
          national parks, clean the streets, cook the hamburgers, wait on tables, run
          small businesses, etc., AND STILL DISAGREE WITH DON!

          Disagree with Don, and you get labeled "false." I hope the other 99.99999% of
          the world that doesn't think like Don is quaking in their boots as the ONE RIGHT
          PERSON is labelling you "false." Oh, woe is us! What a judgment, to be "false"
          with Don!


          Robin Crane
          ========================================================
          "When scientific power outruns moral power,
          we end up with guided missiles and
          misguided men.”
          Martin Luther King, Jr., 1967
          =========================================================


          On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Don Divine <d3869@...> wrote:

          Most Effective Tool Used to Sell Socialism to Americans?
          >Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L. Goetsch
          >
          >
          >One of the most effective, albeit hypocritical, tools used by the left to “sell”
          >socialism to the American public is false compassion. Aided and abetted by the
          >media, the left claims to be more compassionate toward the so-called victims in
          >society—a message that plays well to Americans encouraged by trial lawyers and
          >government bureaucrats to view themselves as victims. However, the truth is that
          >conservatives are significantly more compassionate in giving to the needy than
          >are liberals. For example, conservatives give a much higher percentage of their
          >personal income to charity than do liberals. For a complete accounting of this
          >fact—a fact that is little known because liberal journalists keep it under
          >wraps—see Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate
          >Conservatism (New York: Basic Books, 2006) by Arthur C. Brooks. What Brooks
          >demonstrates in his book is that liberals are generous with the money of other
          >people, but stingy with their own, and that the attitudes of liberals toward the
          >needy are condescending, paternal, and opportunistic (i.e. if liberals can
          >create a broad base of people who are dependent on the government they can
          >ensure a broad base of support in elections).
          >
          >
          >In fact, with the assistance of the media and trial lawyers liberals have turned
          >victimhood into one of America’s most prospering industries. Unfortunately, the
          >so-called compassion of the left is the type that gives in to the alcoholic who
          >begs for a drink or the addict who pleads for a fix. Giving might stop the tears
          >for the moment, but it will just make the addiction worse in the long run. The
          >unavoidable result of this advocacy of victimhood is the encouragement of
          >dependence and entitlement. The more that people view themselves as entitled
          >victims, the more dependent they become. The more dependent citizens become, the
          >faster America slides downhill toward socialism.
          >
          >
          >The left has mastered the art of compassion rhetoric and uses it effectively to
          >sell socialism to a gullible American public. Smiling socialists sell their
          >philosophy in the same way a snake oil salesman hawks his wares. One of the
          >left’s favorite terms for selling socialism is equality. “Equality” has become
          >the mantra of the left. After all, didn’t Thomas Jefferson advocate equality for
          >all men in the Declaration of Independence? Didn’t Jefferson say that “…all men
          >are created equal”? Historians still debate whether Jefferson meant that all men
          >are created equal before God, before the law, or in human dignity. But there are
          >no serious scholars who believe he meant what the left means by equality:
          >equality of outcome.
          >
          >
          >
          >The left advocates, legislates, and sometimes intimidates in its on-going
          >attempts to guarantee equality of outcome in society regardless of merit or
          >effort. Anyone on the right who dares claim that an unproductive member of
          >society deserves less than a productive member is quickly labeled “hard-hearted”
          >or “mean-spirited.” The left makes no connection between contribution and
          >reward. Leftists find nothing wrong with taking from a productive person and
          >giving to an unproductive person, even one who has the potential to be
          >productive but makes no effort to be. Socialists call this government-ordained
          >theft “redistribution of wealth,” one of president Obama’s favorite concepts.
          >The radical left thinks it is unfair for a thrifty, diligent, self-reliant
          >producer who pulls America’s economic wagon to have more than a lazy,
          >irresponsible, entitled person who just rides in the wagon. This is one of the
          >main reasons for socialism’s long and consistent record of failure.
          >This is the sixth in a 10 part series on Socialism:
          >What’s So Bad About Socialism? (Intro)
          >How Do You Define Socialism? (Part 1)
          >Beginnings of American Socialism in Public Education? (Part 2)
          >Socialism’s First Casualties (Part 3)
          >14 Reasons Socialism Won’t Work in America (Part 4)
          >Socialism’s Fundamental Flaw that Liberals Simply Ignore (Part 5)
          >
          >
          >Read more:
          >http://patriotupdate.com/articles/most-effective-tool-used-to-sell-socialism-to-americans/#ixzz2LBaav1Og
          >
          >
          >
          >"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
          >patriots and tyrants."
          >Thomas Jefferson
          >
          >
          >
          >“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force. Like fire, it is a
          >dangerous servant and fearful master.”
          >
          >George Washington
          >
          >
          >“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains
          >or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but
          >as for me; give me liberty or give me death!”
          >--Patrick Henry
        • EVE DEMIAN
          Eve Demian WWP Member (evedemian@verizon.net) SUCH a great, true article! Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@sbcglobal.net) Most Effective Tool Used to Sell
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            Eve Demian WWP Member (evedemian@...) SUCH a great, true article!

            Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@...) Most Effective Tool Used
            to Sell Socialism to Americans?
            Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L. Goetsch

            One of the most effective, albeit hypocritical, tools used by the
            left to “sell” socialism to the American public is false compassion. Aided
            and abetted by the media, the left claims to be more compassionate toward the
            so-called victims in society—a message that plays well to Americans encouraged
            by trial lawyers and government bureaucrats to view themselves as victims.
            However, the truth is that conservatives are significantly more compassionate
            in giving to the needy than are liberals. For example, conservatives give a
            much higher percentage of their personal income to charity than do liberals.
            For a complete accounting of this fact—a fact that is little known because
            liberal journalists keep it under wraps—see Who
            Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism (New York: Basic Books, 2006) by Arthur C.
            Brooks. What Brooks demonstrates in his book is that liberals are generous with
            the money of other people, but stingy with their own, and that the attitudes of
            liberals toward the needy are condescending, paternal, and opportunistic (i.e.
            if liberals can create a broad base of people who are dependent on the
            government they can ensure a broad base of support in elections).

            In fact, with the assistance of the media and trial lawyers
            liberals have turned victimhood into one of America’s most prospering
            industries. Unfortunately, the so-called compassion of the left is the type
            that gives in to the alcoholic who begs for a drink or the addict who pleads
            for a fix. Giving might stop the tears for the moment, but it will just make
            the addiction worse in the long run. The unavoidable result of this advocacy of
            victimhood is the encouragement of dependence and entitlement. The more that
            people view themselves as entitled victims, the more dependent they become. The
            more dependent citizens become, the faster America slides downhill toward
            socialism.

            The left has mastered the art of compassion
            rhetoric and uses it effectively
            to sell socialism to a gullible American public. Smiling socialists sell their
            philosophy in the same way a snake oil salesman hawks his wares. One of the
            left’s favorite terms for selling socialism is equality. “Equality” has become the mantra of the left. After all, didn’t
            Thomas Jefferson advocate equality for all men in the Declaration of
            Independence? Didn’t Jefferson say that “…all men are created equal”?
            Historians still debate whether Jefferson meant that all men are created equal
            before God, before the law, or in human dignity. But there are no serious
            scholars who believe he meant what the left means by equality: equality of outcome.

            The left advocates, legislates, and sometimes intimidates in its
            on-going attempts to guarantee equality of outcome in society regardless of
            merit or effort. Anyone on the right who dares claim that an unproductive
            member of society deserves less than a productive member is quickly labeled
            “hard-hearted” or “mean-spirited.” The left makes no connection between
            contribution and reward. Leftists find nothing wrong with taking from a
            productive person and giving to an unproductive person, even one who has the
            potential to be productive but makes no effort to be. Socialists call this
            government-ordained theft “redistribution of wealth,” one of president Obama’s
            favorite concepts. The radical left thinks it is unfair for a thrifty,
            diligent, self-reliant producer who pulls America’s economic wagon to have more
            than a lazy, irresponsible, entitled person who just rides in the wagon. This
            is one of the main reasons for socialism’s long and consistent record of
            failure.
            This is the sixth in a 10 part series on Socialism:
            What’s So Bad About Socialism? (Intro)
            How Do You Define Socialism? (Part 1)
            Beginnings of American Socialism in Public
            Education? (Part 2)
            Socialism’s First Casualties (Part 3)
            14 Reasons Socialism Won’t Work in America (Part
            4)
            Socialism’s Fundamental Flaw that Liberals Simply
            Ignore (Part 5)


            Read more: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/most-effective-tool-used-to-sell-socialism-to-americans/#ixzz2LBaav1Og


            "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
            Thomas Jefferson
             

             
            “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and fearful master.” George Washington
            “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!”
            --Patrick Henry 
          • Algae5636@...
            Al J WWP Email Member and Baha i(Algae5636@aol.com ) If he s in that bad a shape, you should be more compassionate with ol Don. ... Robin Crane WWP Invitee
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              Al J WWP Email Member and Baha'i(Algae5636@... ) If he's in that bad a shape, you should be more compassionate with ol' Don.

              :-)

              Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@...) Oh, 'tis IMPOSSIBLE, isn't it that decent people can somehow come up with ideas that vary from Don's? Amazing, isn't it? There's only ONE way to think, and that is Don's way.


              Anyone who disagrees is "false." They can't possibly feel "compassion," can they? They can't possibly have good families, love their spouses and their children, value their country, love their fellow-man, attend church (or not) for healthy reasons, serve in their communities, teach school, fight fires, run the national parks, clean the streets, cook the hamburgers, wait on tables, run small businesses, etc., AND STILL DISAGREE WITH DON!


              Disagree with Don, and you get labeled "false." I hope the other 99.99999% of the world that doesn't think like Don is quaking in their boots as the ONE RIGHT PERSON is labelling you "false." Oh, woe is us! What a judgment, to be "false" with Don!


              Robin Crane
              ========================================================


              "When scientific power outruns moral power,
              we endup with guided missiles and
              misguided men.”
              Martin Luther King,Jr., 1967
              =========================================================

              Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@...) Most Effective Tool Usedto Sell Socialism to Americans?
              Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L. Goetsch


              One of the most effective, albeit hypocritical, tools used by theleft to “sell” socialism to the American public is false compassion. Aidedand abetted by the media, the left claims to be more compassionate toward theso-called victims in society—a message that plays well to Americans encouragedby trial lawyers and government bureaucrats to view themselves as victims.However, the truth is that conservatives are significantly more compassionatein giving to the needy than are liberals. For example, conservatives give amuch higher percentage of their personal income to charity than do liberals.For a complete accounting of this fact—a fact that is little known becauseliberal journalists keep it under wraps—see WhoReally Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism (New York: Basic Books, 2006) by Arthur C.Brooks. What Brooks demonstrates in his book is that liberals are generous withthe money of other people, but stingy with their own, and that the attitudes ofliberals toward the needy are condescending, paternal, and opportunistic (i.e.if liberals can create a broad base of people who are dependent on thegovernment they can ensure a broad base of support in elections).


              In fact, with the assistance of the media and trial lawyersliberals have turned victimhood into one of America’s most prosperingindustries. Unfortunately, the so-called compassion of the left is the typethat gives in to the alcoholic who begs for a drink or the addict who pleadsfor a fix. Giving might stop the tears for the moment, but it will just makethe addiction worse in the long run. The unavoidable result of this advocacy ofvictimhood is the encouragement of dependence and entitlement. The more thatpeople view themselves as entitled victims, the more dependent they become. Themore dependent citizens become, the faster America slides downhill towardsocialism.


              The left has mastered the art of compassionrhetoric and uses it effectivelyto sell socialism to a gullible American public. Smiling socialists sell theirphilosophy in the same way a snake oil salesman hawks his wares. One of theleft’s favorite terms for selling socialism is equality. “Equality” has become the mantra of the left. After all, didn’tThomas Jefferson advocate equality for all men in the Declaration ofIndependence? Didn’t Jefferson say that “…all men are created equal”?Historians still debate whether Jefferson meant that all men are created equalbefore God, before the law, or in human dignity. But there are no seriousscholars who believe he meant what the left means by equality: equality of outcome.


              The left advocates, legislates, and sometimes intimidates in itson-going attempts to guarantee equality of outcome in society regardless ofmerit or effort. Anyone on the right who dares claim that an unproductivemember of society deserves less than a productive member is quickly labeled“hard-hearted” or “mean-spirited.” The left makes no connection betweencontribution and reward. Leftists find nothing wrong with taking from aproductive person and giving to an unproductive person, even one who has thepotential to be productive but makes no effort to be. Socialists call thisgovernment-ordained theft “redistribution of wealth,” one of president Obama’sfavorite concepts. The radical left thinks it is unfair for a thrifty,diligent, self-reliant producer who pulls America’s economic wagon to have morethan a lazy, irresponsible, entitled person who just rides in the wagon. Thisis one of the main reasons for socialism’s long and consistent record offailure.
              This is the sixth in a 10 part series on Socialism:
              What’s So Bad About Socialism? (Intro)
              How Do You Define Socialism? (Part 1)
              Beginnings of American Socialism in PublicEducation? (Part 2)
              Socialism’s First Casualties (Part 3)
              14 Reasons Socialism Won’t Work in America (Part4)
              Socialism’s Fundamental Flaw that Liberals SimplyIgnore (Part 5)


              Read more: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/most-effective-tool-used-to-sell-socialism-to-americans/#ixzz2LBaav1Og




              "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
              Thomas Jefferson



              “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and fearful master.”
              George Washington


              “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!”
              --Patrick Henry
            • Algae5636@...
              Al J WWP Email Member and Baha i(Algae5636@aol.com ) Lol. If: The right is so much more compassionate; Then: Why didn t Goetsch write a more compassionate
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                Al J WWP Email Member and Baha'i(Algae5636@... ) Lol.
                If: The right is so much more compassionate;
                Then: Why didn't Goetsch write a more compassionate article about the left?

                :-)

                Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@...) Most Effective Tool Usedto Sell Socialism to Americans?
                Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L. Goetsch


                One of the most effective, albeit hypocritical, tools used by theleft to “sell” socialism to the American public is false compassion. Aidedand abetted by the media, the left claims to be more compassionate toward theso-called victims in society—a message that plays well to Americans encouragedby trial lawyers and government bureaucrats to view themselves as victims.However, the truth is that conservatives are significantly more compassionatein giving to the needy than are liberals. For example, conservatives give amuch higher percentage of their personal income to charity than do liberals.For a complete accounting of this fact—a fact that is little known becauseliberal journalists keep it under wraps—see WhoReally Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism (New York: Basic Books, 2006) by Arthur C.Brooks. What Brooks demonstrates in his book is that liberals are generous withthe money of other people, but stingy with their own, and that the attitudes ofliberals toward the needy are condescending, paternal, and opportunistic (i.e.if liberals can create a broad base of people who are dependent on thegovernment they can ensure a broad base of support in elections).


                In fact, with the assistance of the media and trial lawyersliberals have turned victimhood into one of America’s most prosperingindustries. Unfortunately, the so-called compassion of the left is the typethat gives in to the alcoholic who begs for a drink or the addict who pleadsfor a fix. Giving might stop the tears for the moment, but it will just makethe addiction worse in the long run. The unavoidable result of this advocacy ofvictimhood is the encouragement of dependence and entitlement. The more thatpeople view themselves as entitled victims, the more dependent they become. Themore dependent citizens become, the faster America slides downhill towardsocialism.


                The left has mastered the art of compassionrhetoric and uses it effectivelyto sell socialism to a gullible American public. Smiling socialists sell theirphilosophy in the same way a snake oil salesman hawks his wares. One of theleft’s favorite terms for selling socialism is equality. “Equality” has become the mantra of the left. After all, didn’tThomas Jefferson advocate equality for all men in the Declaration ofIndependence? Didn’t Jefferson say that “…all men are created equal”?Historians still debate whether Jefferson meant that all men are created equalbefore God, before the law, or in human dignity. But there are no seriousscholars who believe he meant what the left means by equality: equality of outcome.


                The left advocates, legislates, and sometimes intimidates in itson-going attempts to guarantee equality of outcome in society regardless ofmerit or effort. Anyone on the right who dares claim that an unproductivemember of society deserves less than a productive member is quickly labeled“hard-hearted” or “mean-spirited.” The left makes no connection betweencontribution and reward. Leftists find nothing wrong with taking from aproductive person and giving to an unproductive person, even one who has thepotential to be productive but makes no effort to be. Socialists call thisgovernment-ordained theft “redistribution of wealth,” one of president Obama’sfavorite concepts. The radical left thinks it is unfair for a thrifty,diligent, self-reliant producer who pulls America’s economic wagon to have morethan a lazy, irresponsible, entitled person who just rides in the wagon. Thisis one of the main reasons for socialism’s long and consistent record offailure.
                This is the sixth in a 10 part series on Socialism:
                What’s So Bad About Socialism? (Intro)
                How Do You Define Socialism? (Part 1)
                Beginnings of American Socialism in PublicEducation? (Part 2)
                Socialism’s First Casualties (Part 3)
                14 Reasons Socialism Won’t Work in America (Part4)
                Socialism’s Fundamental Flaw that Liberals SimplyIgnore (Part 5)


                Read more: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/most-effective-tool-used-to-sell-socialism-to-americans/#ixzz2LBaav1Og




                "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
                Thomas Jefferson



                “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and fearful master.”
                George Washington


                “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!”
                --Patrick Henry
              • Bob Wynman
                Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@wynman.com) We heartily agree, Eve, and cannot find anything in the article with which to disagree.
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                  Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) We heartily agree, Eve, and cannot find anything in the article with which to disagree. Anyone who truly cares about the poor, the disadvantaged, the real victims would certainly NOT advocate the Welfare/Warfare State, Minimum Wage and Child Labor Laws that sentence the poor, the disadvantaged, the real victims to being poor, the disadvantaged, the real victims forever, while creating more and more poor, the disadvantaged, the real victims.

                  However, the fact that "conservatives" are more compassionate and give far more to charities and the poor than "liberals" does NOT mean that their version of the State is any less immoral and oppressive than that of the "liberals".

                  For decades, I believed that the path to freedom included restoring our Constitutionally-limited Republic, but since we now have the tools to create the "Voluntary Society", in which we all have 100% freedom (available at www.Galambos.com, www.CapitalismTheLiberalRevolution.com & http://feeds.feedburner.com/FreedomainRadio), I prefer to invest my time, energy and resources creating that "Natural Republic", the Stable, Durable Civilization, since it's not only our only effective path to perpetual liberty, but our only method of preventing our own extinction, now that humans are finally smart enough in the physical sciences to destroy our species and not smart enough in the social "sciences" to prevent our own extinction.

                  Allowing the present tyrannical State to self-destruct before we've created a parallel, alternative social structure is probably not in our best interest. We must allow it to exist 'til we've built a new parallel society.

                  --bob & lou

                  Eve Demian WWP Member (evedemian@...) SUCH a great, true article!

                  Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@...) Most Effective Tool Used to Sell Socialism to Americans?
                • Robin Crane
                  Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@gmail.com) GOETSCH S whole argument is defeated by one fact: the data on which the argument is based are highly incomplete
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                    Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@...) GOETSCH'S whole argument is defeated by one fact: the data on which the
                    argument is based are highly incomplete and biased toward the rich.

                    THICK ABOUT WHERE THE DATA COME FROM! Income tax returns, specifically charitable deductions.

                    People who don't itemized and their giving are not included. The giving reported by the utwmizers has to be reduced by the amount if the tax offset, 28% for top earners.

                    Giving to other than formal organizations with tax deductible status is NOT captured. I just did my taxes:

                    MARK CARPENTER WWP Poster designated a girly man by Ducky (carpbear@...) Robin:

                    This is one of your very best posts; and you have described *to a 'T'* why I lump Don Divine in with the Shammaite Pharisees (who were the ones Jesus went after in his discourses against the Pharisees). The Shammaites were an absolute *horror*, and they ruled with an iron fist. The Hillelites were very much in line with Jesus' thinking; and they were also the group with whom Paul was affiliated. (Remember: at least three, and as many of six epistles attributed to Paul were not written by Paul at all.)

                    Mark

                    "It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than it is to vote for what you don't want and get it." --Eugene V. Debs
                  • wv
                    wv WWP Email member and special friend of the cyber personality known as Automatic Lie (microdhses@gmail.com) Good points, but just watch the replies come
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                      wv WWP Email member and special friend of the cyber personality known as Automatic Lie (microdhses@...) Good points, but just watch the replies come in....ignoring all the points,
                      but lots of..........the normal name-calling, swearing, and other ad
                      hominems.

                      Some will say you're points are invalid because you; sweat too much, are
                      not clean shaven enough, live in another country, your parents are
                      dysfunctional, you had pre-marital sex before marriage. you wor

                      Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@...) *Most Effective Tool Used to Sell Socialism to Americans? *
                      Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L. Goetsch<http://patriotupdate.com/author/davidgoetsch/>
                      ****
                      One of the most effective, albeit hypocritical, tools used by the left to “sell” socialism to the American public is false compassion*. *Aided and abetted by the media, the left claims to be more compassionate toward the so-called victims in society—a message that plays well to Americans encouraged by trial lawyers and government bureaucrats to view themselves as victims. However, the truth is that conservatives are significantly more compassionate in giving to the needy than are liberals. For example,
                      > conservatives give a much higher percentage of their personal income to charity than do liberals. For a complete accounting of this fact—a fact that is little known because liberal journalists keep it under wraps—see *Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism *(New York: Basic Books, 2006) by Arthur C. Brooks. What Brooks demonstrates in his book is that liberals are generous with the money of other people, but stingy with their own, and that the attitudes of liberals toward the needy are condescending, paternal, and opportunistic (i.e. if liberals can create a broad base of people who are dependent on the government they can ensure a broad base of support in elections).****

                      In fact, with the assistance of the media and trial lawyers liberals have turned victimhood into one of America’s most prospering industries. Unfortunately, the so-called compassion of the left is the type that gives in to the alcoholic who begs for a drink or the addict who pleads for a fix. Giving might stop the tears for the moment, but it will just make the addiction worse in the long run. The unavoidable result of this advocacy of victimhood is the encouragement of dependence and entitlement. The more that people view themselves as entitled victims, the more dependent they become. The more dependent citizens become, the faster America slide downhill toward socialism.****
                      The left has mastered the art of *compassion rhetoric *and uses it effectively to sell socialism to a gullible American public. Smiling socialists sell their philosophy in the same way a snake oil salesman hawks his wares. One of the left’s favorite terms for selling socialism is *equality. *“Equality” has become the mantra of the left. After all, didn’t Thomas Jefferson advocate equality for all men in the Declaration of Independence? Didn’t Jefferson say that “…all men are created equal”? Historians still debate whether Jefferson meant that all men are created equal before God, before the law, or in human dignity. But there are no serious scholars who believe he meant what the left means by equality: *equality of outcome. **
                      ***

                      The left advocates, legislates, and sometimes intimidates in its on-going attempts to guarantee equality of outcome in society regardless of merit or effort. Anyone on the right who dares claim that an unproductive member of society deserves less than a productive member is quickly labeled “hard-hearted” or “mean-spirited.” The left makes no connection between contribution and reward. Leftists find nothing wrong with taking from a productive person and giving to an unproductive person, even one who has the potential to be productive but makes no effort to be. Socialists call this government-ordained theft “redistribution of wealth,” one of president Obama’s favorite concepts. The radical left thinks it is unfair for a thrifty, diligent, self-reliant producer who pulls America’s economic wagon to have more than a lazy, irresponsible, entitled person who just rides in the wagon. This is one of the main reasons for socialism’s long and
                      consistent record of failure.**** This is the sixth in a 10 part series on Socialism:**** What’s So Bad About Socialism? (Intro)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/whats-so-bad-about-socialism-everything
                      ****
                      How Do You Define Socialism? (Part 1)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/how-do-you-define-socialism>
                      ****
                      Beginnings of American Socialism in Public Education? (Part 2)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/beginnings-of-american-socialism-in-public-education>
                      ****
                      Socialism’s First Casualties (Part 3)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/socialisms-first-casualties>
                      ****
                      14 Reasons Socialism Won’t Work in America (Part 4)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/14-reasons-socialism-wont-work-in-america
                      ****
                      Socialism’s Fundamental Flaw that Liberals Simply Ignore (Part 5)<http://patriotupdate.com/articles/socialisms-fundamental-flaw-that-liberals-simply-ignore
                      ****


                      Read more:
                      http://patriotupdate.com/articles/most-effective-tool-used-to-sell-socialism-to-americans/#ixzz2LBaav1Og
                      ****


                      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood
                      of patriots and tyrants."
                      Thomas Jefferson http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109180.html


                      “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force. Like fire,
                      it is a dangerous servant and fearful master.”
                      George Washington

                      “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of
                      chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others
                      may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!”
                      --Patrick Henry
                    • kurt31416
                      Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@yahoo.com] As someone that takes the side of the weak and poor against the strong and rich 100% of the time, it s about 50/50
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                        Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@...] As someone that takes the side of the weak and poor against the strong and rich 100% of the time, it's about 50/50 these days.

                        Hint: Murdered babies aren't the strong and rich, and Saddam Hussein ain't the weak and poor, etc. etc.

                        FDR's Great Coalition between Blessed and the Poor and Family Values has been demolished. The Twisted Sisters took over the Democrats, and drove their mortal enemies, Family Values into the Filty Greed Republican party, where they get nothing but lip service.

                        So the Democrats could give a damn about the Poor, heck they could give a damn about the Middle Class, which is disappearing if you haven't noticed. All they care about is destroying Family Values and replacing it with their Twisted agenda, and the Poor are left to the tender mercies of Filthy Greed Republicans.
                      • Robin Crane
                        Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@gmail.com) I intended to give an example of how charitable giving is not fully counted by so-called studies such as Don
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                          Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@...) I intended to give an example of how charitable giving is not fully counted
                          by so-called "studies" such as Don Divine sent around.

                          I give a huge amount of my income to people and groups that cannot be
                          deducted. Here are my final calculations:

                          Church as % of income:
                          7.7%

                          Political contributions as % of
                          income: 6.1%

                          Personal gifts to immigrants as % of income: 27.6%

                          Personal gifts to family & friends as % of income: 6.1%

                          All Other Contributions as % of income: 2.6%

                          Charitable contributions as % of income: 74.4%



                          TAX DEDUCTIBLE AS % OF INCOME: 10.3%

                          NON-TAX DEDUCTIBLE AS % OF INCOME: 64.1%

                          Look at the last two lines. Only the 10.3% that I give to church and the
                          2.6% that I give to 501(c)(3) organizations would show up in Don's cited
                          study. The OTHER 64.1% of income that I give away won't be counted.

                          [Moreover, what liberals and moderates willingly give away through taxes is
                          a sign of true generosity. The whining and belly-aching and screaming that
                          the Right does about taxes is a sign of selfishness. But that's a side
                          issue.]

                          In addition to the problems of capturing ALL giving, there's the difficulty
                          of defining who's a liberal and who's a conservative. If not done
                          carefully, the results will be meaningless.

                          Conservatives tend to give to religious institutions, while liberals tend
                          to give more to secular institutions. Religious institutions have a good
                          deal going with the government, such that almost all their activities are
                          captured as charity, even when the activities are largely political (viz.,
                          Karl Rove's 501(c)(4) in last prez election).

                          Moreover, at least some of the giving to churches is really quite
                          appropriately seen as payment for services rendered to the giver, while
                          giving to secular charities usually all goes for services that do NOT
                          accrue to the giver, so can be seen as more truly generous and selfless.

                          Other studies refute Don's assertions about which political identification
                          gives more, for example:

                          http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/10/18/who-really-gives-partisanship-and-charitable-giving-in-the-united-states/


                          *Robin Crane*
                          *========================================================*

                          *"When scientific power outruns moral power,
                          we end up with guided missiles and
                          misguided men.”
                          Martin Luther King, Jr., 1967 *

                          *=========================================================*



                          On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Robin Crane <patriot451@...> wrote:

                          > GOETSCH'S whole argument is defeated by one fact: the data on which the
                          > argument is based are highly incomplete and biased toward the rich.
                          >
                          > THICK ABOUT WHERE THE DATA COME FROM! Income tax returns, specifically
                          > charitable deductions.
                          >
                          > People who don't itemized and their giving are not included. The giving
                          > reported by the utwmizers has to be reduced by the amount if the tax
                          > offset, 28% for top earners.
                          >
                          > Giving to other than formal organizations with tax deductible status is
                          > NOT captured. I just did my taxes:
                          > On Feb 19, 2013 9:47 PM, "MARK CARPENTER" <carpbear@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >> Robin:
                          >>
                          >> This is one of your very best posts; and you have described *to a 'T'*
                          >> why I lump Don Divine in with the Shammaite Pharisees (who were the ones
                          >> Jesus went after in his discourses against the Pharisees). The Shammaites
                          >> were an absolute *horror*, and they ruled with an iron fist. The
                          >> Hillelites were very much in line with Jesus' thinking; and they were also
                          >> the group with whom Paul was affiliated. (Remember: at least three, and
                          >> as many of six epistles attributed to Paul were not written by Paul at all.)
                          >>
                          >> Mark
                          >>
                          >> "It is better to vote for what you want and not get it
                          >> than it is to vote for what you don't want and get it."
                          >> --Eugene V. Debs
                        • Bob Wynman
                          Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@wynman.com) Good point, Robin. --bob & lou
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                            Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) Good point, Robin.

                            --bob & lou

                            > Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@...) GOETSCH'S whole argument is
                            > defeated by one fact: the data on which the
                            > argument is based are highly incomplete and biased toward the rich.
                            >
                            > THICK ABOUT WHERE THE DATA COME FROM! Income tax returns, specifically
                            > charitable deductions.
                            >
                            > People who don't itemized and their giving are not included. The giving
                            > reported by the utwmizers has to be reduced by the amount if the tax
                            > offset, 28% for top earners.
                            >
                            > Giving to other than formal organizations with tax deductible status is
                            > NOT captured. I just did my taxes:
                            >
                            > MARK CARPENTER WWP Poster designated a girly man by Ducky
                            > (carpbear@...) Robin:
                            >
                            > This is one of your very best posts; and you have described *to a 'T'* why
                            > I lump Don Divine in with the Shammaite Pharisees (who were the ones Jesus
                            > went after in his discourses against the Pharisees). The Shammaites were
                            > an absolute *horror*, and they ruled with an iron fist. The Hillelites
                            > were very much in line with Jesus' thinking; and they were also the group
                            > with whom Paul was affiliated. (Remember: at least three, and as many of
                            > six epistles attributed to Paul were not written by Paul at all.)
                            >
                            > Mark
                          • kurt31416
                            Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@yahoo.com] Nah, it s religious people that give more, conservative or liberal. All you need to know is if they are religious. The
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                              Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@...] Nah, it's religious people that give more, conservative or liberal. All you need to know is if they are religious. The slight edge Republicans have in giving to charity, is because of their slightly more religious people.

                              The message is religion, not godless filthy libertarianism where you don't give a damn.

                              wv WWP Email member and special friend of the cyber personality known as Automatic Lie (microdhses@...) Good points, but just watch the replies come in....ignoring all the points, but lots of..........the normal name-calling, swearing, and other ad hominems.

                              Some will say you're points are invalid because you; sweat too much, are not clean shaven enough, live in another country, your parents are dysfunctional, you had pre-marital sex before marriage. you wor

                              Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@...) *Most Effective Tool Used to Sell Socialism to Americans? * Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L. Goetsch<http://patriotupdate.com/author/davidgoetsch/>
                            • Dennis Helbig
                              Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@gmail.com) Let s hope FDR s Zionism is destroyed. It wasn t real concern anyway. It
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                                Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha'i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@...) Let's hope FDR's Zionism is destroyed. It wasn't real concern anyway. It
                                was oppression by way of playing on the "poor me spirit". His Secretary of
                                Labor was an Aynn Rand acolyte that was solely responsible for the entire
                                New Deal agenda. Come on, I thought you had more sense.
                              • Dennis Helbig
                                Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@gmail.com) It was coined in the Bible by the men of God. How dare you consider the
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                                  Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha'i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@...) It was coined in the Bible by the men of God. How dare you consider the
                                  godless as the creators of Liberty. Abram was the first Libertarian. He
                                  answered to no government or any authority except his god. He saw, he took.
                                  And his god gave him success.
                                • kurt31416
                                  Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@yahoo.com] FDR was a Libertarian, Dennis? Only if words have no meaning. And FDR wasn t much of a Zionist, since we pretty much
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                                    Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@...] FDR was a Libertarian, Dennis? Only if words have no meaning. And FDR wasn't much of a Zionist, since we pretty much abandoned the Jews fleeing Hitler.

                                    Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha'i investigator and carpenter
                                    (helbigdennis@...) Let's hope FDR's Zionism is destroyed. It wasn't real
                                    concern anyway. It was oppression by way of playing on the "poor me spirit". His Secretary of Labor was an Aynn Rand acolyte that was solely responsible for the entire New Deal agenda. Come on, I thought you had more sense.
                                  • kurt31416
                                    Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@yahoo.com] FALSE, Dennis. From Genesis to Jesus, there are 1000 cases of supporting the poor, and/or opposing the rich. Need some
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                                      Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@...] FALSE, Dennis. From Genesis to Jesus, there are 1000 cases of supporting the poor, and/or opposing the rich.

                                      Need some help locating them? Oh so easy to do, Dennis, if someone has a remote foggy clue what the hell is in the Bible.

                                      And the number of cases to the cntrary?

                                      Zero.

                                      0.

                                      1000 to 0.

                                      *****I defy you to point out an exception.

                                      Good luck, because it doesn't exist.
                                    • Dennis Helbig
                                      Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@gmail.com) I don t think you fully understand the complexity of the world system
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                                        Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha'i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@...) I don't think you fully understand the complexity of the world system
                                        implemented at Chicago in 1893. The boots in the dirt manager of the fair
                                        ended up as the Sec of Treasury that signed currency over to the
                                        independent contractor. Novus Ordo Seclorum was then added to currency,
                                        meaning it was the currency of world order.When FDR took office he set in
                                        motion a system of taxation based upon the system used in Israel/Babylon.
                                        Solomon not only charged other states to sell product but to also buy it.
                                        Charged people to inherit. Charged people to give. Sound familiar yet?

                                        Novus Ordo Seclorum is New World Order is Globalism is Zionism. Manure
                                        smells the same no matter if called excrement or shit.

                                        Sequester will accomplish one thing. Government Contractors. Contractors
                                        have to be paid. Contractors work for profit and taxes will be raised.
                                        These contracts will be open to anyone from anywhere to bid. Welcome to
                                        Solmon's Babylon.
                                      • Dennis
                                        Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@gmail.com) There are 197 verses pertaining to the word poor. 35 are in the NT. 10 in
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                                          Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha'i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@...) There are 197 verses pertaining to the word poor. 35 are in the NT. 10
                                          in the epistles. I've sent a png of Exodus 22:25 dealing with usery,
                                          transliterated literally. In essence it states if you loan money to "my
                                          people" and you are the reason "My People" are poor, you may not charge
                                          usery.

                                          If, in fact, the Constitution is based upon the law of Moses, then
                                          charging usery to the poor is unlawful. But Zion passed a law to
                                          prohibit lending money to the poor in order to eliminate a myriad of
                                          small businessmen (farmers) in the 50s. This alone is sufficient to
                                          condemn the Christian Nation because it has violated too many of these
                                          commandments.

                                          It would help to know what the comment was on.

                                          Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@...] FALSE, Dennis. From Genesis to
                                          Jesus, there are 1000 cases of supporting the poor, and/or opposing the
                                          rich.

                                          Need some help locating them? Oh so easy to do, Dennis, if someone has a remote foggy clue what the hell is in the Bible. And the number of cases to the contrary?

                                          Zero.

                                          0.

                                          1000 to 0.

                                          *****I defy you to point out an exception.

                                          Good luck, because it doesn't exist.
                                        • Algae5636@...
                                          Al J WWP Email Member and Baha i(Algae5636@aol.com ) Well said. A detail: The Great Seal of the US was added to the currency. The phrase Novus Ordo
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                                            Al J WWP Email Member and Baha'i(Algae5636@... ) Well said. A detail: The Great Seal of the US was added to the currency. The phrase "Novus Ordo Seclorum" is part of that Seal. It is thus misleading to say the phrase was added as though it were added all by itself.


                                            Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha'i investigator and carpenter(helbigdennis@...) I don't think you fully understand the complexity of the world system implemented at Chicago in 1893. The boots in the dirt manager of the fair ended up as the Sec of Treasury that signed currency over to the independent contractor. Novus Ordo Seclorum was then added to currency, meaning it was the currency of world order.When FDR took office he set in motion a system of taxation based upon the system used in Israel/Babylon. Solomon not only charged other states to sell product but to also buy it. Charged people to inherit. Charged people to give. Sound familiar yet?

                                            Novus Ordo Seclorum is New World Order is Globalism is Zionism. Manure
                                            smells the same no matter if called excrement or shit.

                                            Sequester will accomplish one thing. Government Contractors. Contractors have to be paid. Contractors work for profit and taxes will be raised. These contracts will be open to anyone from anywhere to bid. Welcome to Solmon's Babylon.
                                          • Sarda Karaniwan
                                            Sarda Karaniwan WWP Member (karaniwans@yahoo.com) The left advocates, legislates, and sometimes intimidates in its on-going attempts to guarantee equality of
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                                              Sarda Karaniwan WWP Member (karaniwans@...) "The left advocates, legislates, and sometimes intimidates in its on-going attempts to guarantee equality of outcome in society regardless of merit or effort. Anyone on the right who dares claim that an unproductive member of society deserves less than a productive member is quickly labeled hard-hearted or mean-spirited. The left makes no connection between contribution and reward. Leftists find nothing wrong with taking from a productive person and giving to an unproductive person, even one who has the potential to be productive but makes no effort to be. Socialists call this government-ordained theft redistribution of wealth, one of president Obama's favorite concepts. The radical left thinks it is unfair for a thrifty, diligent, self-reliant producer who pulls America's economic wagon to have more than a lazy, irresponsible, entitled person who just rides in the wagon. This is one of the main reasons for socialism's long and consistent record of failure."

                                              This statement really makes me laugh. I used to be labeled as a leftist because of my principles, now I'm going to be labelled a rightist because of the same principles. False compassion, hypocrisy indeed. Both Left and Right are the same, and caught in the middle are the ordinary people who one day (and hopefully soon)will realize that this is neither a Leftist's or a Rightist's world, but the world of the ordinary people and that these two opposite political spectrum are just creating a big mess of this world, and one day the ordinary people will put themselves in charge and start to clean up this mess. And the Days of the Ordinary people have arrived.

                                              -----sarda-----
                                              The Ordinarian

                                              Don Divine WWP Email Member (d3869@...) Most Effective Tool Used to Sell Socialism to Americans? Written on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 by David L. Goetsch
                                            • kurt31416
                                              Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@yahoo.com] Dennis, in the Torah/Old Testament, you not only can t charge interest on a loan, you can t accept collateral, and
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                                                Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@...] Dennis, in the Torah/Old Testament, you not only can't charge interest on a loan, you can't accept collateral, and have to forgive all loans every 7 years. And if it's a month before you have to forgive all loans, you still have to loan the money.

                                                It's a lot more than the mention of the word poor, such as God destroying Sodom because it didn't help the poor (sex not mentioned). Sometimes it's "widows and orphans" etc. Yes, there really are about 1000 cases.

                                                And 0 cases to the contrary.

                                                Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha'i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@...) There are 197 verses pertaining to the word poor. 35 are in the NT. 10 in the epistles. I've sent a png of Exodus 22:25 dealing with usery, transliterated literally. In essence it states if you loan money to "my people" and you are the reason "My People" are poor, you may not charge usery.

                                                If, in fact, the Constitution is based upon the law of Moses, then charging usery to the poor is unlawful. But Zion passed a law to prohibit lending money to the poor in order to eliminate a myriad of small businessmen (farmers) in the 50s. This alone is sufficient to condemn the Christian Nation because it has violated too many of these commandments.

                                                It would help to know what the comment was on.

                                                Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@] FALSE, Dennis. From Genesis to Jesus, there are 1000 cases of supporting the poor, and/or opposing the rich.

                                                Need some help locating them? Oh so easy to do, Dennis, if someone has a remote foggy clue what the hell is in the Bible. And the number of cases to the contrary?

                                                Zero.

                                                0.

                                                1000 to 0.

                                                *****I defy you to point out an exception.

                                                Good luck, because it doesn't exist.
                                              • kurt31416
                                                Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@yahoo.com] Yeah, show me a pround leftist or rightist and I can show you someone totally under the control of the Good Ole Boys,
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                                                  Kurt Pi WWP Member [kurt31416@...] Yeah, show me a pround leftist or rightist and I can show you someone totally under the control of the Good Ole Boys, with no opinions of their own.

                                                  Sarda Karaniwan WWP Member (karaniwans@...) "The left advocates,
                                                  legislates, and sometimes intimidates in its on-going attempts to guarantee
                                                  equality of outcome in society regardless of merit or effort. Anyone on the
                                                  right who dares claim that an unproductive member of society deserves less than
                                                  a productive member is quickly labeled hard-hearted or mean-spirited. The left
                                                  makes no connection between contribution and reward. Leftists find nothing wrong
                                                  with taking from a productive person and giving to an unproductive person, even
                                                  one who has the potential to be productive but makes no effort to be. Socialists
                                                  call this government-ordained theft redistribution of wealth, one of president
                                                  Obama's favorite concepts. The radical left thinks it is unfair for a thrifty,
                                                  diligent, self-reliant producer who pulls America's economic wagon to have more
                                                  than a lazy, irresponsible, entitled person who just rides in the wagon. This is
                                                  one of the main reasons for socialism's long and consistent record of failure."

                                                  This statement really makes me laugh. I used to be labeled as a leftist because
                                                  of my principles, now I'm going to be labelled a rightist because of the same
                                                  principles. False compassion, hypocrisy indeed. Both Left and Right are the
                                                  same, and caught in the middle are the ordinary people who one day (and
                                                  hopefully soon)will realize that this is neither a Leftist's or a Rightist's
                                                  world, but the world of the ordinary people and that these two opposite
                                                  political spectrum are just creating a big mess of this world, and one day the
                                                  ordinary people will put themselves in charge and start to clean up this mess.
                                                  And the Days of the Ordinary people have arrived.

                                                  -----sarda-----
                                                  The Ordinarian
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