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RE: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT

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  • Bob Wynman
    Exactly, Paul! --bob & lou ... From: pelli8@windstream.net [mailto:pelli8@windstream.net] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 11:51 AM Subject: Re: the workers are the
    Message 1 of 165 , May 4, 2015
      Exactly, Paul!


      --bob & lou


      -----Original Message-----
      From: pelli8@... [mailto:pelli8@...]
      Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 11:51 AM
      Subject: Re: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT


      "I've worked for millionaires and they paid me for the work they could not
      > do, that made me the wealth creator, all they have is $$$- no brains"


      LOL... Why do they need brains? They seem to be smart enough and rich enough to get you to do the work for them...


      ---- GeriOhMy@... wrote:
      > I've worked for millionaires and they paid me for the work they could
      > not do, that made me the wealth creator, all they have is $$$- no
      > brains to actually design/build a product. it is a co operative
      > association.
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      > In a message dated 5/4/2015 1:07:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
      > Postherguy@... writes:
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      > "workers"
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      > In a message dated 5/4/2015 11:32:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
      > Postherguy@... writes:
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      > Exactly, Al
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      > What started this whole discussion was my post which was . . .
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      > "While the wealthy might be the job creators, The workers are the
      > wealth creators"
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      > I pretty much stated that the wealthy are the "job creators". I
      > merely pointed out the other side of the equation. You can't have one
      > with out the other. And then it became this whole thing about somehow
      > dissing the job creators. It wasn't.
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      > I've started a few companies myself and have created quite a number

      > of jobs in my life. Most of my enterprises involved working with
      > organizations IE. "Job Creators", assisting them to recruit, retain,
      > and manage top talent. So I have a pretty good understanding of how the whole arrangement works.
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      > The woekers are the majority and not everyone can be wealthy and be a
      > job creator. If that were the case, who would be doing all the work.
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      > I personally believe that without the workers, well, then it doesn't work.
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      > That's all I'm saying.
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      > In a message dated 5/3/2015 4:29:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
      > algae5636@... writes:
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      > Damn. Like I said it's an interdependency. Without employment,
      > employers are simply people out of work too.
      > If you want to understand interdependency, just ask a dancer to
      > demonstrate their part in a tango all by themselves-- and you'll see
      > how goofy it looks.
      > :-)
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: gary beauregard <beau@...>
      > Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 1:34 pm
      > Subject: Re: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT
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      > I like workers but without employment they are simply people out of work.
      > Unless jobs exist or are created, workers are irrelevant.
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      > ____________________________________
      > From: Floyd Stillings <_ozrkhllblly@..._
      > (mailto:ozrkhllblly@...) >
      > Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 4:26 PM
      > Subject: RE: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT
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      > Yes, by using completely gross generalizations only.
      >
      > Floyd
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      > ____________________________________
      > Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 15:09:57 -0400
      > From: _cbhensler@..._ (mailto:cbhensler@...)
      > Subject: Re: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT
      >
      > Excellent point
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Postherguy <_Postherguy@..._ (mailto:Postherguy@...) >
      > Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 10:09 am
      > Subject: Re: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT
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      > No workers and all the multi billion dollar facilities (designed and
      > built by "workers"), all the expensive equipment (designed and built
      > by "workers"), machines, (designed and built by "workers"), tools
      > (designed and built by "workers"), computers, (designed and built by
      > "workers"), vehicles (designed and built by "workers"), etc.
      > (designed and built by "workers"), just sit idol.
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      > In a message dated 5/2/2015 8:06:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
      > _cbhensler@..._ (about:blank) writes:
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      > You can't have work without workers Bob
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Bob Wynman < _bobalou@..._ (about:blank) >
      > Sent: Sat, May 2, 2015 6:13 pm
      > Subject: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT
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      >
      > Yep, “well put” Marxist dogma.
      >
      > The job-creators (the super-humanitarian entrepreneurs, technologists &
      > investors) create many times more wealth than do “the workers” … and are
      > penalized and demonized for doing so. ‘tis part of the Win/lose mindset that’
      > s destroying our civilization.
      >
      > --bob & lou
      >
      > From: _algae5636@..._ (about:blank) [_mailto:algae5636@..._
      > (about:blank) ]
      > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 2:10 PM
      > Subject: Re: "Let them loot, it's only property" says Baltimore mayor
      >
      > Well put.
      > It keeps their interdependency in sight.
      > :-)
      >
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Postherguy < (about:blank) _Postherguy@..._ (about:blank) >
      > Sent: Sat, May 2, 2015 1:56 pm
      > Subject: Re: "Let them loot, it's only property" says Baltimore mayor
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      > The wealthy might be the job creators.
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      > But the workers are the wealth creators.
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      > In a message dated 5/2/2015 2:20:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
      > (about:blank) _algae5636@..._ (about:blank) writes:
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      > One of the things that "successful people" have in common is that they are
      > notably dependent on there being a relatively large number of people below
      > them in the financial pyramid, which just naturally includes those at the
      > very bottom ya know.
      > Welfare ain't the only thing that perpetuates poverty.
      >
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      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Dave < (about:blank) _davidwin@..._ (about:blank) >
      > Sent: Sat, May 2, 2015 3:06 am
      > Subject: Re: "Let them loot, it's only property" says Baltimore mayor
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      > There is one thing all successful and independent people have in common.
      > They have taken on or been confronted with challenges and overcome them.
      > Each overcoming adds to one's skills, confidence, optimism, all of which
      > makes dreams possible and therefor, motivation. When dollar challenges are
      > taken away via welfare checks and personal challenges taken away by a
      > prevailing victim mentality, people are demotivated, and challenges other than
      > earning a living and being a responsible citizen are encouraged. Leftists do
      > not understand, that relieving people of poverty, to any extent, is
      > relieving them of the motive to get ahead. Welfare perpetuates poverty rather then
      > waging war against it.
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      > On 5/1/2015 4:28 PM, Dorothy Christner wrote:
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      > Where's that Great Society LBJ was going to build from the ghetto's? Why,
      > it encouraged irresponsibility! We helped men to flit from one skirt to
      > another! Impregnating as they flitted! Then we, the tax payer, had another
      > mouth to feed! It is hard enough to raise a family of four when there is a
      > Mom and a Dad, try it as a single Mom! Unfortunately, the mother's like
      > Ben Carson's are few and far between! The largest percentage of babies
      > born today are to single moms!
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      > No wonder they are looting and burning! They haven't responsible
      > parents, for the large part! AND Obama doesn't blame lack of parenting! It's
      > society and the police! He should know better. Having had an absent Dad and
      > a less than responsible mother.
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      > Levon
      > [Bo7b:] --------------------------
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      > "Before a man speaks it is always safe to assume that he is a fool. After
      > he
      > speaks, it is seldom necessary to assume it."
      >
      > H.L. Mencken
      >
      > "Trying to predict the future is like trying to drive down a country road
      > at
      > night with no lights while looking out the back window."
      >
      > Peter Drucker
      >
      > It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows. ~
      > Epictetus (c.55-c.135)
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      > --bob & lou
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    • Bob Wynman
      Really. What do you define as fascism, Paul. --bob ... From: pelli8@windstream.net [mailto:pelli8@windstream.net] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 2:01 PM Subject:
      Message 165 of 165 , May 4, 2015
        Really. What do you define as fascism, Paul.


        --bob


        -----Original Message-----
        From: pelli8@... [mailto:pelli8@...]
        Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 2:01 PM
        Subject: RE: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT


        Of course! Those corporations that get together with the state to specifically create fascism are bad in my book too.

        ---- Bob Wynman <bobalou@...> wrote:
        > Well, you could be paying enuff attention to get that my opinion also includes "corporations bad when they partner with the State to create fascism."
        >
        > --bob
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: pelli8@... [mailto:pelli8@...]
        > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 11:41 AM
        > Subject: Re: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT
        >
        > This is what you posted.
        > "No you can not assume that I meant that. Lots of "COMPANIES" look after their bottom line and do not engage in shenanigans. I was speaking of "CORPORATIONS" not each individual citizen.
        >

        > "Apparently you are not paying attention as to who I do or do not blame."
        >
        > Look Brian, whether I'm paying attention or smaying attention here's the deal:
        > For you - Corporations BAD! Individuals GOOD!
        > For Bo7b - State BAD! Individuals GOOD!
        > How much more attention should I be paying?
        >
        >
        > ---- cbhensler@... wrote:
        > > Yes IMO it is myopic to only look at one half of the equation.
        > >
        > >
        > > No I am not insinuating companies are individuals, what exactly are you reading?
        > >
        > >
        > > Apparently you are not paying attention as to who I do or do not blame.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: pelli8 <pelli8@...>
        > > To: davidwin <davidwin@...>; Rebecca.Plunkett
        > > Sent: Mon, May 4, 2015 7:31 am
        > > Subject: Re: the workers are the wealth creators .... NOT
        > >
        > >
        > > "What Bob does is focus singularly on the immorality of the "state"
        > > while overlooking the same within the private sector."
        > >
        > > OK...
        > >
        > > "which leads us
        > > back to that myopic point of view."
        > >
        > > Is that what it is? A myopic POV?
        > >
        > > "The
        > > state and the private sector are dance partners so what is your
        > > point in this analogy?"
        > >
        > > My point is this.
        > > I can not/should not/will not assume that you meant that lots of
        > > companies but was instead speaking of corporations. So I will
        > > assume, at this juncture, by corporations you do not mean companies.
        > >
        > > "Lots of
        > > companies look after their bottom line and do not engage in
        > > shenanigans. I was speaking of corporations not each individual citizen."
        > >
        > > Or in other words, I
        > > assume you are insinuating companies are individual citizens and
        > > corporations are not. Is that a safe bet?
        > > I also assume that Bo7b blames all his troubles on the state and
        > > not individual citizens as well... Yes Brian, the state and the
        > > private sector are dance partners I agree with that. The state and
        > > corporations are dance partners. Businesses, the state, companies,
        > > corporations and individual citizens are all dance partners.
        > > Each made up of people with their
        > > diverse set of foils and foibles and each of them with their
        > > different degrees of strengths and weaknesses.
        > > My point in this analogy?"
        > > We each choose who
        > > we blame. God forbid I make any assumptions but I assume Bo7b blames
        > > the state and not individual citizens while you, on the other hand,
        > > seem to blame corporations but not individual citizens. My point is
        > > I see a similarity. That's all...
        > [Bo7b:] ----------------------
        >
        > "Before a man speaks it is always safe to assume that he is a fool.
        > After he speaks, it is seldom necessary to assume it."
        >
        > H.L. Mencken
        >
        > "Trying to predict the future is like trying to drive down a country
        > road at night with no lights while looking out the back window."
        >
        > Peter Drucker
        >
        > It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.
        > ~ Epictetus (c.55-c.135)
        >
        > --bob & lou
        >
        >
        >
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