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Christians commanded to do many things that they refuse to like 'obey your husbands' ..told you there would be a rationalization!!!!!!!!

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  • Algae5636@aol.com
    ~Al J~ WWP Member ~ Yup. They sure do. And you cherry picked your favorite parts of capitalism from its many versions in many books too.
    Message 1 of 9 , Jul 31, 2011
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      ~Al J~ WWP Member <Algae5636@...> ~ Yup. They sure do.
      And you cherry picked your favorite parts of capitalism from its many versions in many books too.
      So you're criticizing a behavior that you have in common with them.

      :-)

      ~DS WWP Member <microdhses@...> ~
      Thanks for corroborating my statement that christians so often just cherry pick their favorite parts from their favorite version of the many bibles out there.

      ~Ralph Haulk WWP Member <ralph.haulk@...> ~ As I pointed ut regarding the scripture on "Go ye therefore into asll the world" and "taking up serpents, these are scriptures that clearly were never part of the original text, whether or not even the original was true. The story ends when Jesus was crucified, and the women went on Sunday morning to check the tomb. The "great commission" was most likely added bgy an overzealous monk.

      And, assuming there never was a Jesus, it would obviously true that we shoud not follow any person claiming to represent Christ, a stateemtna ttributed to Jesus in Mathew 24:23.

      Since I've already dealt with Pau's core statements and they're being ignored, seem that people really ARE intent on believing what they choose, which is why Paul said there exists no decision procedure by which you can show any closer relation to God(Romans 9:16-22).

      In fact, Romans 8:29-30 and John 6:44 would show that "freewill choice" is irrelevant.
      Ralph
    • Ralph Haulk
      Of course christians cherry pick what they believe, but so does most everybody regarding anything of such nature, whether its socialism, capitalism, or any
      Message 2 of 9 , Aug 1, 2011
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        Of course christians cherry pick what they believe, but so does most everybody regarding anything of such nature, whether its socialism, capitalism, or any particular belief or ism.
         
         That's why the bible(and Paul) clearly point out that there exists no decision procedure to get from "here" to "God" by any system of thought that can be developed by the mind of any man. The natural mind is enmity against God, and cannot be subject to God(Romans 8:7). There is no way to make a freewill choice to become 'elect", since God already kniows who the 'elect" are, as any self respecting omniscient God would(Romans 8:29-30), and further as Paul plainly stated, there exist no "works' we can perform to alter that foreknowledge(Romans 9:16-22, Ephesians 2:8-10).
         
         Therefore, since humans will pick put that which they choose to believe, and since we see from the math of Gode's theorem that even in consistent axiomatic systems there exist an infinity of undecideable propositions,  christianity cannot legitimaytely represent God, nor can any other religion, no matter how hard they cherry pick their scriptures.
        Ralph

        On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:14 PM, D S <microdhses@...> wrote:
         

        Thanks for corroborating my statement that christians so often just cherry pick their favorite parts from their favorite version of the many bibles out there.  




        On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ralph Haulk <ralph.haulk@...> wrote:
         

        As I pointed ut regarding the scripture on "Go ye therefore into asll the world" and "taking up serpents, these are scriptures that clearly were never part of the original text, whether or not even the original was true. The story ends when Jesus was crucified, and the women went on Sunday morning to check the tomb. The "great commission" was most likely added bgy an overzealous monk.
         
         And, assuming there never was a Jesus, it would obviously true that we shoud not follow any person claiming to represent Christ, a stateemtna ttributed to Jesus in Mathew 24:23.
         
         Since I've already dealt with Pau's core statements and they're being ignored, seem that people really ARE intent on believing what they choose, which is why Paul said there exists no decision  procedure by which you can show any closer relation to God(Romans 9:16-22).
         
         In fact, Romans 8:29-30 and John 6:44 would show that "freewill choice" is irrelevant.
        Ralph
         


         
        On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:55 PM, D S <microdhses@...> wrote:
         

        That's a funny rationalization, trying to tell us christian women can blow off that one since it was only St Paul who said it.   In fact jesus himself never wrote anything at all, so we really don't know what he even said,  third hand cobbled together accounts mean nothing.   


        I told you guys, no matter what it is in the bible, even the new testament and any particular christian doesn't like; they will find some lame rationalization to ignore it;  whether it's the one about obeying husbands, or 'takeing up with serpents', or  the trinity.   

        On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Bill <vanvonu@...> wrote:
         

        ~"Bill" WWP Member <vanvonu@...> ~ I've come to the conclusion that Jesus wouldn't have wanted to be at the top of a MLM religious tree. I doubt that anything in the Bible can be attributed to the trinity in any substantial way.

        ~John Stroebel WWP Member <john.stroebel@...> ~ Yeah. Only Jesus never said 'wives obey your husbands'. Paul said that. Paul
        > the politician, the 'organizer', Paul who franchised Christianity. Jesus
        > said, "Love your neighbor, do good to those who harm you, give to the poor,
        > forgive others, I do not condemn you either'.
        >
        > Paul and friends made a whole lot of rules. Funny that Paul.....he never
        > knew Jesus.
        >
        ~DS WWP Member <microdhses@...> ~ We know that christians mostly
        > > just cherry pick what they feel like obeying
        > > from their favorite version of the bible.
        > > For example a couple of months ago I pointed out that christian women were
        > > commanded to obey their husbands, but several wrote back that they refused
        > > to obey that, and they denied cherry picking in the same messsage. See
        > > what
        > > we mean about hypocrites.
        > >
        > > Here's another order from the bible, and most christians also refuse to
        > > obey
        > > it;
        > >
        > > Now let's see you good christians rationalize why you don't have to 'take
        > > up
        > > with servants'.
        > >
        > > "And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast
        > > out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents;
        > > and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay
        > > hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark
        > > 16:17-18<http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=%20Mark&verse=16:17-18&src=KJV>
        > > )
        > >
        > > Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over
        > > all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke
        > > 10:19 <http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=%20Luke&verse=10:19&src=KJV>)





      • D S
        Tell me some other parts about capitalism that I missed. But don t tell me; Bernie Madoff defrauded people; that s not capitalism. Don t tell me; some
        Message 3 of 9 , Aug 1, 2011
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          Tell me some other parts about capitalism that I missed. 

          But don't tell me;   Bernie Madoff defrauded people;  that's not capitalism. 

          Don't tell me;  some company bribed the gov.   nothing in capitalism about that.

          Don't tell me that some unions bribed politicians;  thats not capitalism,

          Don't mention the Somali pirates;   capitalism doesn't recommend piracy.  

          Don' tell me how the gov. stopped those school girls from selling from their lemonade stand.   



          On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:22 AM, <Algae5636@...> wrote:
           

          ~Al J~ WWP Member <Algae5636@...> ~ Yup. They sure do.
          And you cherry picked your favorite parts of capitalism from its many versions in many books too.
          So you're criticizing a behavior that you have in common with them.

          :-)

          ~DS WWP Member <microdhses@...> ~
          Thanks for corroborating my statement that christians so often just cherry pick their favorite parts from their favorite version of the many bibles out there.

          ~Ralph Haulk WWP Member <ralph.haulk@...> ~ As I pointed ut regarding the scripture on "Go ye therefore into asll the world" and "taking up serpents, these are scriptures that clearly were never part of the original text, whether or not even the original was true. The story ends when Jesus was crucified, and the women went on Sunday morning to check the tomb. The "great commission" was most likely added bgy an overzealous monk.

          And, assuming there never was a Jesus, it would obviously true that we shoud not follow any person claiming to represent Christ, a stateemtna ttributed to Jesus in Mathew 24:23.

          Since I've already dealt with Pau's core statements and they're being ignored, seem that people really ARE intent on believing what they choose, which is why Paul said there exists no decision procedure by which you can show any closer relation to God(Romans 9:16-22).

          In fact, Romans 8:29-30 and John 6:44 would show that "freewill choice" is irrelevant.
          Ralph



        • Ralph Haulk
          Of course, and that;s exactly why, if there is a Gopd, then such a God will not be dependent on human choice, as Paul clearly states, and you have yet to prove
          Message 4 of 9 , Aug 1, 2011
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            Of course, and that;s exactly why, if there is a Gopd, then such a God will not be dependent on human choice, as Paul clearly states, and you have yet to prove wrong. It is a demonstrable mathematical fact that we are incapable of demonstrating truth in one complete, consistent package, which is fully consistent with Romans 8 and 9 s well as Jesus; statements in Matthew 24:23, and John 6:44.
             
             All you have to do to prove my "cherry picking" wrng is to show that any other viewpoint can demonstrate that we actually CAN devise a decisin procedure to get us from "here' to "God". Until you do, my statement is correct, since it is dependent on nothing I can personally offer as proof, any more than you can prove your own.
             
             If one demonstrates a statement consistent with what we discover as truth, then that statement must also be true by correspndence with truth.
             
             Ralph

            On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:22 AM, <Algae5636@...> wrote:
             

            ~Al J~ WWP Member <Algae5636@...> ~ Yup. They sure do.
            And you cherry picked your favorite parts of capitalism from its many versions in many books too.
            So you're criticizing a behavior that you have in common with them.

            :-)

            ~DS WWP Member <microdhses@...> ~
            Thanks for corroborating my statement that christians so often just cherry pick their favorite parts from their favorite version of the many bibles out there.

            ~Ralph Haulk WWP Member <ralph.haulk@...> ~ As I pointed ut regarding the scripture on "Go ye therefore into asll the world" and "taking up serpents, these are scriptures that clearly were never part of the original text, whether or not even the original was true. The story ends when Jesus was crucified, and the women went on Sunday morning to check the tomb. The "great commission" was most likely added bgy an overzealous monk.

            And, assuming there never was a Jesus, it would obviously true that we shoud not follow any person claiming to represent Christ, a stateemtna ttributed to Jesus in Mathew 24:23.

            Since I've already dealt with Pau's core statements and they're being ignored, seem that people really ARE intent on believing what they choose, which is why Paul said there exists no decision procedure by which you can show any closer relation to God(Romans 9:16-22).

            In fact, Romans 8:29-30 and John 6:44 would show that "freewill choice" is irrelevant.
            Ralph



          • D S
            Sorry folks he meant to send this to; Religious Fanatics R Us.
            Message 5 of 9 , Aug 2, 2011
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              Sorry folks he meant to send this to;  Religious Fanatics R Us.  

              On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Ralph Haulk <ralph.haulk@...> wrote:
               

              Of course, and that;s exactly why, if there is a Gopd, then such a God will not be dependent on human choice, as Paul clearly states, and you have yet to prove wrong. It is a demonstrable mathematical fact that we are incapable of demonstrating truth in one complete, consistent package, which is fully consistent with Romans 8 and 9 s well as Jesus; statements in Matthew 24:23, and John 6:44.
               
               
            • Earl
              ~ Earl WWP Member ~ Yet. ~Ralph Haulk WWP Member ~ ~It is a demonstrable mathematical fact that we are incapable
              Message 6 of 9 , Aug 2, 2011
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                ~"Earl" WWP Member <ereese@...> ~ Yet.


                ~Ralph Haulk WWP Member <ralph.haulk@...> ~ ~It is a demonstrable mathematical fact that we are incapable of demonstrating truth in one complete, consistent package~
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