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  • ds
    It might be hard for some of you guys to visualize because you don t even bother to check out what some of the stars of the field say about this subject.
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 13, 2014
      It might be hard for some of you guys to 'visualize' because you don't even

      bother to check out what some of the stars of the field say about this
      subject. For years I've seen guys like Bob, and me and others mention the
      works of Stefan Molyneux, but none of you guys you who bad-mouth the notion
      of people doing things voluntarily have ever pointed out any problems with
      his views. Since you never refer to him, it probably means that you
      haven't even bothered to research this topic. Why bad-mouth something
      you're presumably interested in, and not bother to see what the most
      articulate say about it?


      On 13 November 2014 13:09, <cbhensler@...> wrote:


      > It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all
      > you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea
      > unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability
      > to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars
      > that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that
      > can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it
      > comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential
      > component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce
      > humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that
      > does.
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Bob Wynman <bobalou@...>
      > To: Postherguy <Postherguy@...>; AudioLaw <AudioLaw@...>;
      > CactusCougar <CactusCougar@...>; cbhensler <cbhensler@...>
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      > almagors@...>; Jembuck <Jembuck@...>
      > Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 10:16 pm
      > Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
      >
      > *‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.*
      >
      > *The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes any
      > need for a “military”. And yes, PG, *it's extremely hard to visualize
      > that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations of
      > indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years of
      > recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State
      > claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the
      > Win-Lose Paradigm.
      >
      > The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would
      > operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just
      > without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires
      > a revolutionary paradigm shift!
      >
      > Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com is excellent, or,
      > if you prefer reading to listening/watching, at
      > http://freedomain.blogspot.com Or, if you prefer to learn what Galambos
      > & othere contributed, it’s now free at www.CapitalismTheLibertal
      > Revolution.com.
      >
      > --bob & lou
      >
      >
      >
      > *From:* Postherguy@... [mailto:Postherguy@...]
      > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:53 AM
      > *To:* AudioLaw@...; CactusCougar@...; bobalou@...;
      > cbhensler@...
      > *Cc:* GeriOhMy@...; conner2or@...; fkerogen@...;
      > beau@...; microdhses@...; algae5636@...;
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      > *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
      >
      >
      > *See below*
      >
      > In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
      > CactusCougar@... writes:
      >
      > The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a
      > private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this
      > private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have
      > to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we
      > already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then
      > they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the
      > slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.
      >
      >
      >
      > *It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term
      > Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "**Iron
      > Triangle**" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (*
      > *industry**), the Pentagon (**military**), and the United States
      > government, as a "**cartel**" that works against the public interest, and
      > whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the *
      > *"Military-Industrial-Complex**" (**MIC**). General Dwight D. Eisenhower
      > must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.*
      >
      > *While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "*
      > *Prosper**", it was critical to "**Invest**" in a system of "**Checks**"
      > and "**Balances**", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for
      > profit enterprise doesn't receive a "**Check**", their books won't "*
      > *Balance**", and the "**Investors**" won't "**Prosper**".*
      >
      > *As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any
      > "**for profit**" enterprise - whether that be the "**mom & pop**" corner
      > drug store, or a "**publicly held, international, conglomerate**", - is
      > measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are
      > companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing
      > to address this issue, when the "**Mission **is** Accomplished**", and
      > the yellow ribbons go in the closet? *
      >
      > *Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United
      > States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1
      > billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222
      > per day, per single "**protective security specialist**". That works out
      > to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once
      > preformed by the U.S. Military. *
      >
      > *On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old
      > Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel
      > Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and
      > was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While
      > the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's
      > family $250,000 as an "**apology**", Blackwater felt that amount to be
      > excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another
      > instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after
      > Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the
      > employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.*
      >
      > *I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year,
      > but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time
      > for me.*
      >
      > * -
      > postherguy (2007)*
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >




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    • ds
      You don t take the point, nor do you even mention any points by any of the people of the previous message. All you have is name -calling; deities, worship,
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 13, 2014
        You don't take the point, nor do you even mention any points by any of the

        people of the previous message. All you have is name -calling; deities,
        worship, gospel, etc.
        As you and others have shown before that you don't even know about Rand,
        you also show no knowledge of the points of Melyneux either. Example,
        last week somebody called Rand an anarchist, and she certainly was NOT.
        Is Molyneux? Probably none of you even know.
        No content in your message.


        On 13 November 2014 16:11, <AudioLaw@...> wrote:


        > OK, point taken. The goddess Ayn Rand has suffered so much fact and
        > logic based criticism that she ha become as much a joke as a diety. Pretty
        > much the same for the god of greed Andrew Galambos. So there worshippers
        > feel compelled to shift gears and identify a new source of wisdom and
        > 'gospel truth' which is inerrant and not to be challenged. Hence the
        > obeisance to Stefan Molyneux.
        >
        > But the fundamental problem remains. EVERY TIME one of the
        > worshippers is asked to articulate how the religious fantasies might be
        > effectuated in the real world the instant response is the same two part
        > deal: 1) Refer people to the teaching of the diety; 2) Attack the
        > questioner for having the temerity to ask.
        >
        > The result is inevitable, Readers are forced to the conclusion that
        > even the most devout worshippers, those who study and obsess over the
        > diety's teachings, are utterly UNABLE to identify even a single step in a
        > process to achieve the religious fantasy "Voluntary Society".
        >
        > The same readers might also see that the religious fantasists miss no
        > opportunity to lie about their inquisitors. For example claiming that one
        > who doubts their religious fantasies *"even advocate for total trade war,
        > like the Sargeant."*
        >
        > If their ONLY defenses of their religious fantasies?
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > In a message dated 11/13/2014 5:29:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
        > microdhses@... writes:
        >
        > It might be hard for some of you guys to 'visualize' because you don't
        > even bother to check out what some of the stars of the field say about this
        > subject. For years I've seen guys like Bob, and me and others mention the
        > works of Stefan Molyneux, but none of you guys you who bad-mouth the notion
        > of people doing things voluntarily have ever pointed out any problems with
        > his views. Since you never refer to him, it probably means that you
        > haven't even bothered to research this topic. Why bad-mouth something
        > you're presumably interested in, and not bother to see what the most
        > articulate say about it?
        >
        > On 13 November 2014 13:09, <cbhensler@...> wrote:
        >
        >> It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all
        >> you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea
        >> unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability
        >> to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars
        >> that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that
        >> can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it
        >> comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential
        >> component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce
        >> humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that
        >> does.
        >>
        >>
        >> -----Original Message-----
        >> From: Bob Wynman <bobalou@...>
        >> To: Postherguy <Postherguy@...>; AudioLaw <AudioLaw@...>;
        >> CactusCougar <CactusCougar@...>; cbhensler <cbhensler@...>
        >> Cc: GeriOhMy <GeriOhMy@...>; conner2or <conner2or@...>; fkerogen
        >> <fkerogen@...>; beau <beau@...>; microdhses <
        >> microdhses@...>; algae5636 <algae5636@...>; PoliticalForum <
        >> PoliticalForum@...>; Politics_CurrentEvents_Group <
        >> Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com>; Rightisright <
        >> Rightisright@yahoogroups.com>; whateverreturns <
        >> whateverreturns@yahoogroups.com>; whatnowdebate <
        >> whatnowdebate@yahoogroups.com>; worldwide_politics <
        >> worldwide_politics@yahoogroups.com>; srking <srking@...>;
        >> evedemian <evedemian@...>; tommysnews <tommysnews@...>;
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        >> boldsaber <boldsaber@...>; vanzorge <vanzorge@...>;
        >> carpbear <carpbear@...>; cyberiaventure <
        >> cyberiaventure@...>; d3869 <d3869@...>; dag_gano <
        >> dag_gano@...>; davidwin <davidwin@...>; derhoaxster <
        >> derhoaxster@...>; colony14 <colony14@...>; dond3869 <
        >> dond3869@...>; drecpa <drecpa@...>; ducky4817 <
        >> ducky4817@...>; earljreese <earljreese@...>; earn4462 <
        >> earn4462@...>; elliajt <elliajt@...>; fox95010 <
        >> fox95010@...>; shadyslife <shadyslife@...>; happycyn1 <

        >> happycyn1@...>; jamlady10 <jamlady10@...>; jpassgo <
        >> jpassgo@...>; joelrachmiel <joelrachmiel@...>; judyfuller007 <
        >> judyfuller007@...>; jwsblue1 <jwsblue1@...>; lance_ <
        >> lance_@...>; carpingbear <carpingbear@...>;
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        >> sirguy2003 <sirguy2003@...>; rblaine_1941 <rblaine_1941@...>;
        >> sergeantfreedom <sergeantfreedom@...>; ttssuf <
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        >> wndbear@...>; dagoodguys <dagoodguys@...>; davidw1235 <
        >> davidw1235@...>; deejacobs1972 <deejacobs1972@...>;
        >> freelancer514 <freelancer514@...>; harleymanfl <harleymanfl@...>;
        >> hemilight <hemilight@...>; hillbillytrailer <
        >> hillbillytrailer@...>; jimibee22 <jimibee22@...>; jmach499 <
        >> jmach499@...>; p00fugo <p00fugo@...>; whatnowgop <
        >> whatnowgop@...>; wilemd <wilemd@...>; Mckinneyhunter <
        >> Mckinneyhunter@...>; vandoran.heather <vandoran.heather@...>;
        >> presslerfamily <presslerfamily@...>; almagors <
        >> almagors@...>; Jembuck <Jembuck@...>
        >> Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 10:16 pm
        >> Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
        >>
        >> *‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.*
        >>
        >> *The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes
        >> any need for a “military”. And yes, PG, *it's extremely hard to
        >> visualize that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations
        >> of indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years
        >> of recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State
        >> claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the
        >> Win-Lose Paradigm.
        >>
        >> The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would
        >> operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just
        >> without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires
        >> a revolutionary paradigm shift!
        >>
        >> Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com is excellent, or,
        >> if you prefer reading to listening/watching, at
        >> http://freedomain.blogspot.com Or, if you prefer to learn what
        >> Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at www.CapitalismTheLibertal
        >> Revolution.com.
        >>
        >> --bob & lou
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> *From:* Postherguy@... [mailto:Postherguy@...]
        >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:53 AM
        >> *To:* AudioLaw@...; CactusCougar@...; bobalou@...;
        >> cbhensler@...
        >> *Cc:* GeriOhMy@...; conner2or@...; fkerogen@...;
        >> beau@...; microdhses@...; algae5636@...;
        >> PoliticalForum@...;
        >> Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com;
        >> Rightisright@yahoogroups.com; whateverreturns@yahoogroups.com;
        >> whatnowdebate@yahoogroups.com; worldwide_politics@yahoogroups.com;
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        >> Mckinneyhunter@...; vandoran.heather@...;
        >> presslerfamily@...; almagors@...; Jembuck@...
        >> *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
        >>
        >>
        >> *See below*
        >>
        >> In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
        >> CactusCougar@... writes:
        >>
        >> The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a
        >> private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this
        >> private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have
        >> to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we
        >> already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then
        >> they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the
        >> slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> *It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term
        >> Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "**Iron
        >> Triangle**" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (*
        >> *industry**), the Pentagon (**military**), and the United States
        >> government, as a "**cartel**" that works against the public interest,
        >> and whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the *
        >> *"Military-Industrial-Complex**" (**MIC**). General Dwight D. Eisenhower
        >> must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.*
        >>
        >> *While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "*
        >> *Prosper**", it was critical to "**Invest**" in a system of "**Checks**"
        >> and "**Balances**", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for
        >> profit enterprise doesn't receive a "**Check**", their books won't "*
        >> *Balance**", and the "**Investors**" won't "**Prosper**".*
        >>
        >> *As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any
        >> "**for profit**" enterprise - whether that be the "**mom & pop**" corner
        >> drug store, or a "**publicly held, international, conglomerate**", - is
        >> measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are
        >> companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing
        >> to address this issue, when the "**Mission **is** Accomplished**", and
        >> the yellow ribbons go in the closet? *
        >>
        >> *Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United
        >> States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1
        >> billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222
        >> per day, per single "**protective security specialist**". That works out
        >> to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once
        >> preformed by the U.S. Military. *
        >>
        >> *On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old
        >> Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel
        >> Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and
        >> was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While
        >> the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's
        >> family $250,000 as an "**apology**", Blackwater felt that amount to be
        >> excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another
        >> instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after
        >> Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the
        >> employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.*
        >>
        >> *I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year,
        >> but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time
        >> for me.*
        >>
        >> * -
        >> postherguy (2007)*
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >
        >




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      • ds
        Still nothing on any of the points, just name calling and ad hominems. Test question re some of the people under discussion, is Molyneux an Objectivist, or
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 13, 2014
          Still nothing on any of the points, just name calling and ad hominems.
          Test question re some of the people under discussion, is Molyneux an
          Objectivist, or even a Randian? I know, but none of you have shown you do.


          On 13 November 2014 19:21, <AudioLaw@...> wrote:


          > David Schnarr:
          >
          > Thank you for once more admitting that you, like all
          > Rand/Galambos/Molyneux worshippers really are UNABLE to articulate any
          > practical steps for achieving the 'economic' fantasies you drool about.
          >
          > With that complete INABILITY, your only possible response is to attack
          > anyone who questions you.
          >
          > YOUR beloved Tea Bag Republican Party just took complete control of
          > two of the three branches of our government, after many years of whining
          > that everyone else was, and all science (both economic and hard sciences)
          > are wrong. Now we'll see if YOUR beloved Tea Bag Republican Party can
          > actually DO anything about all those complaints and promises it spewed
          > (often through PR hacks like you). Or if it's just going on a two year

          > spree of ineffectual ranting, proving even more that
          > Rand/Galambos/Molyneux/Koch worship is worthless at best or destructive
          > (more likely).
          >
          >

          >
          > In a message dated 11/13/2014 9:46:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
          > microdhses@... writes:
          >
          > You don't take the point, nor do you even mention any points by any of
          > the people of the previous message. All you have is name -calling;
          > deities, worship, gospel, etc.
          > As you and others have shown before that you don't even know about Rand,
          > you also show no knowledge of the points of Melyneux either. Example,
          > last week somebody called Rand an anarchist, and she certainly was NOT.
          > Is Molyneux? Probably none of you even know.
          > No content in your message.
          >
          > On 13 November 2014 16:11, <AudioLaw@...> wrote:
          >
          >> OK, point taken. The goddess Ayn Rand has suffered so much fact
          >> and logic based criticism that she ha become as much a joke as a diety.
          >> Pretty much the same for the god of greed Andrew Galambos. So there
          >> worshippers feel compelled to shift gears and identify a new source of
          >> wisdom and 'gospel truth' which is inerrant and not to be challenged.
          >> Hence the obeisance to Stefan Molyneux.
          >>
          >> But the fundamental problem remains. EVERY TIME one of the
          >> worshippers is asked to articulate how the religious fantasies might be
          >> effectuated in the real world the instant response is the same two part
          >> deal: 1) Refer people to the teaching of the diety; 2) Attack the
          >> questioner for having the temerity to ask.
          >>
          >> The result is inevitable, Readers are forced to the conclusion that
          >> even the most devout worshippers, those who study and obsess over the
          >> diety's teachings, are utterly UNABLE to identify even a single step in a
          >> process to achieve the religious fantasy "Voluntary Society".
          >>
          >> The same readers might also see that the religious fantasists miss no
          >> opportunity to lie about their inquisitors. For example claiming that one
          >> who doubts their religious fantasies *"even advocate for total trade
          >> war, like the Sargeant."*
          >>
          >> If their ONLY defenses of their religious fantasies?
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> In a message dated 11/13/2014 5:29:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
          >> microdhses@... writes:
          >>
          >> It might be hard for some of you guys to 'visualize' because you don't
          >> even bother to check out what some of the stars of the field say about this
          >> subject. For years I've seen guys like Bob, and me and others mention the
          >> works of Stefan Molyneux, but none of you guys you who bad-mouth the notion
          >> of people doing things voluntarily have ever pointed out any problems with
          >> his views. Since you never refer to him, it probably means that you
          >> haven't even bothered to research this topic. Why bad-mouth something
          >> you're presumably interested in, and not bother to see what the most
          >> articulate say about it?
          >>
          >> On 13 November 2014 13:09, <cbhensler@...> wrote:
          >>
          >>> It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of
          >>> all you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea
          >>> unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability
          >>> to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars
          >>> that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that
          >>> can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it
          >>> comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential
          >>> component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce
          >>> humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that
          >>> does.
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> -----Original Message-----
          >>> From: Bob Wynman <bobalou@...>
          >>> To: Postherguy <Postherguy@...>; AudioLaw <AudioLaw@...>;
          >>> CactusCougar <CactusCougar@...>; cbhensler <cbhensler@...>
          >>> Cc: GeriOhMy <GeriOhMy@...>; conner2or <conner2or@...>;
          >>> fkerogen <fkerogen@...>; beau <beau@...>; microdhses <
          >>> microdhses@...>; algae5636 <algae5636@...>; PoliticalForum <
          >>> PoliticalForum@...>; Politics_CurrentEvents_Group <
          >>> Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com>; Rightisright <
          >>> Rightisright@yahoogroups.com>; whateverreturns <
          >>> whateverreturns@yahoogroups.com>; whatnowdebate <
          >>> whatnowdebate@yahoogroups.com>; worldwide_politics <
          >>> worldwide_politics@yahoogroups.com>; srking <srking@...>;
          >>> evedemian <evedemian@...>; tommysnews <tommysnews@...>;
          >>> num1mema <num1mema@...>; Mckinneyhunter2 <Mckinneyhunter2@...>;
          >>> Scorpi0Lady1 <Scorpi0Lady1@...>; rockysma1 <rockysma1@...>;
          >>> d3869 <d3869@...>; advancedstudiesca <advancedstudiesca@...>;
          >>> anneteresa1 <anneteresa1@...>; bigkoala <bigkoala@...>;
          >>> bill.stanley <bill.stanley@...>; rhgusn <rhgusn@...>;
          >>> boldsaber <boldsaber@...>; vanzorge <vanzorge@...>;
          >>> carpbear <carpbear@...>; cyberiaventure <
          >>> cyberiaventure@...>; d3869 <d3869@...>; dag_gano <
          >>> dag_gano@...>; davidwin <davidwin@...>; derhoaxster <
          >>> derhoaxster@...>; colony14 <colony14@...>; dond3869 <
          >>> dond3869@...>; drecpa <drecpa@...>; ducky4817 <
          >>> ducky4817@...>; earljreese <earljreese@...>; earn4462 <
          >>> earn4462@...>; elliajt <elliajt@...>; fox95010 <
          >>> fox95010@...>; shadyslife <shadyslife@...>; happycyn1 <
          >>> happycyn1@...>; jamlady10 <jamlady10@...>; jpassgo <
          >>> jpassgo@...>; joelrachmiel <joelrachmiel@...>; judyfuller007 <
          >>> judyfuller007@...>; jwsblue1 <jwsblue1@...>; lance_ <
          >>> lance_@...>; carpingbear <carpingbear@...>;
          >>> ggalilei1642-oracle <ggalilei1642-oracle@...>; paul_dunk <
          >>> paul_dunk@...>; cenacle113 <cenacle113@...>; phayes9402 <
          >>> phayes9402@...>; rebecca.plunkett <rebecca.plunkett@...>;
          >>> patriot451 <patriot451@...>; patriot451 <patriot451@...>;
          >>> sirguy2003 <sirguy2003@...>; rblaine_1941 <
          >>> rblaine_1941@...>; sergeantfreedom <sergeantfreedom@...>;
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          >>> wndbear <wndbear@...>; dagoodguys <dagoodguys@...>;
          >>> davidw1235 <davidw1235@...>; deejacobs1972 <deejacobs1972@...>;
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          >>> harleymanfl@...>; hemilight <hemilight@...>;
          >>> hillbillytrailer <hillbillytrailer@...>; jimibee22 <
          >>> jimibee22@...>; jmach499 <jmach499@...>; p00fugo <
          >>> p00fugo@...>; whatnowgop <whatnowgop@...>; wilemd <
          >>> wilemd@...>; Mckinneyhunter <Mckinneyhunter@...>;
          >>> vandoran.heather <vandoran.heather@...>; presslerfamily <
          >>> presslerfamily@...>; almagors <almagors@...>;
          >>> Jembuck <Jembuck@...>
          >>> Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 10:16 pm
          >>> Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
          >>>
          >>> *‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.*
          >>>
          >>> *The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes
          >>> any need for a “military”. And yes, PG, *it's extremely hard to
          >>> visualize that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations
          >>> of indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years
          >>> of recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State
          >>> claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the
          >>> Win-Lose Paradigm.
          >>>
          >>> The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would
          >>> operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just
          >>> without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires
          >>> a revolutionary paradigm shift!
          >>>
          >>> Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com is excellent,
          >>> or, if you prefer reading to listening/watching, at
          >>> http://freedomain.blogspot.com Or, if you prefer to learn what
          >>> Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at
          >>> www.CapitalismTheLibertalRevolution.com.
          >>>
          >>> --bob & lou
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> *From:* Postherguy@... [mailto:Postherguy@...]
          >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:53 AM

          >>> *To:* AudioLaw@...; CactusCougar@...; bobalou@...;
          >>> cbhensler@...
          >>> *Cc:* GeriOhMy@...; conner2or@...; fkerogen@...;
          >>> beau@...; microdhses@...; algae5636@...;
          >>> PoliticalForum@...;
          >>> Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com;
          >>> Rightisright@yahoogroups.com; whateverreturns@yahoogroups.com;
          >>> whatnowdebate@yahoogroups.com; worldwide_politics@yahoogroups.com;
          >>> srking@...; evedemian@...; tommysnews@...;
          >>> num1mema@...; Mckinneyhunter2@...; Scorpi0Lady1@...;
          >>> rockysma1@...; d3869@...; advancedstudiesca@...;
          >>> anneteresa1@...; bigkoala@...; bill.stanley@...;
          >>> rhgusn@...; boldsaber@...; vanzorge@...;
          >>> carpbear@...; cyberiaventure@...; d3869@...;
          >>> dag_gano@...; davidwin@...; derhoaxster@...;
          >>> colony14@...; dond3869@...; drecpa@...;
          >>> ducky4817@...; earljreese@...; earn4462@...;
          >>> elliajt@...; fox95010@...; shadyslife@...;
          >>> happycyn1@...; jamlady10@...; jpassgo@...;
          >>> joelrachmiel@...; judyfuller007@...; jwsblue1@...;
          >>> lance_@...; carpingbear@...;
          >>> ggalilei1642-oracle@...; paul_dunk@...; cenacle113@...;
          >>> phayes9402@...; rebecca.plunkett@...; patriot451@...;
          >>> patriot451@...; sirguy2003@...; rblaine_1941@...;
          >>> sergeantfreedom@...; ttssuf@yahoogroups.com; usmcdaughter1@...;
          >>> wndbear@...; dagoodguys@...; davidw1235@...;
          >>> deejacobs1972@...; freelancer514@...; harleymanfl@...;
          >>> hemilight@...; hillbillytrailer@...; jimibee22@...;
          >>> jmach499@...; p00fugo@...; whatnowgop@...;
          >>> wilemd@...; Mckinneyhunter@...; vandoran.heather@...;
          >>> presslerfamily@...; almagors@...; Jembuck@...
          >>> *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> *See below*
          >>>
          >>> In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
          >>> CactusCougar@... writes:
          >>>
          >>> The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a
          >>> private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this
          >>> private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have
          >>> to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we
          >>> already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then
          >>> they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the
          >>> slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> *It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term
          >>> Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "**Iron
          >>> Triangle**" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors
          >>> (**industry**), the Pentagon (**military**), and the United States
          >>> government, as a "**cartel**" that works against the public interest,
          >>> and whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the *
          >>> *"Military-Industrial-Complex**" (**MIC**). General Dwight D.
          >>> Eisenhower must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.*
          >>>
          >>> *While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "*
          >>> *Prosper**", it was critical to "**Invest**" in a system of "**Checks**"
          >>> and "**Balances**", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for
          >>> profit enterprise doesn't receive a "**Check**", their books won't "*
          >>> *Balance**", and the "**Investors**" won't "**Prosper**".*
          >>>
          >>> *As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost
          >>> any "**for profit**" enterprise - whether that be the "**mom & pop**"
          >>> corner drug store, or a "**publicly held, international, conglomerate**",
          >>> - is measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How
          >>> are companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al,
          >>> planing to address this issue, when the "**Mission **is** Accomplished**",
          >>> and the yellow ribbons go in the closet? *
          >>>
          >>> *Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in
          >>> United States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than
          >>> $1 billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer
          >>> $1,222 per day, per single "**protective security specialist**". That
          >>> works out to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing
          >>> duties once preformed by the U.S. Military. *
          >>>
          >>> *On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old
          >>> Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel
          >>> Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and
          >>> was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While
          >>> the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's
          >>> family $250,000 as an "**apology**", Blackwater felt that amount to be
          >>> excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another
          >>> instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after
          >>> Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the
          >>> employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.*
          >>>
          >>> *I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year,
          >>> but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time

          >>> for me.*
          >>>
          >>> * -
          >>> postherguy (2007)*
          >>>

          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>
          >>
          >




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        • Puma
          The reason why you can t visualize his BS is because actually various governments have been created because it s always been difficult for people to survive
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 13, 2014
            The reason why you can't visualize his BS is because actually various governments have been created because it's always been difficult for people to survive their neighbor's unhampered freedom. The dog eat dog world he denies actually would exist without some sort of social limitations.














            Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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            It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that does.






            -----Original Message-----
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            Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?










            ‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.





            The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes any need for a “military”. And yes, PG, it's extremely hard to visualize that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations of indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years of recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the Win-Lose Paradigm.





            The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires a revolutionary paradigm shift!





            Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com<http://www.freedomainradio.com/> is excellent, or, if you prefer reading to listening/watching, at http://freedomain.blogspot.com<http://freedomain.blogspot.com/>. Or, if you prefer to learn what Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at www.CapitalismTheLibertal<http://www.capitalismthelibertal/>Revolution.com.





            --bob & lou















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            Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?












            See below






            In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CactusCougar@...<> writes:




            The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.


















            It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "Iron Triangle" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (industry), the Pentagon (military), and the United States government, as a "cartel" that works against the public interest, and whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the "Military-Industrial-Complex" (MIC). General Dwight D. Eisenhower must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.









            While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "Prosper", it was critical to "Invest" in a system of "Checks" and "Balances", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for profit enterprise doesn't receive a "Check", their books won't "Balance", and the "Investors" won't "Prosper".









            As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any "for profit" enterprise - whether that be the "mom & pop" corner drug store, or a "publicly held, international, conglomerate", - is measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing to address this issue, when the "Mission is Accomplished", and the yellow ribbons go in the closet?









            Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1 billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222 per day, per single "protective security specialist". That works out to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once preformed by the U.S. Military.









            On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's family $250,000 as an "apology", Blackwater felt that amount to be excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.









            I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year, but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time for me.




            - postherguy (2007)
























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            Or the ones he wants to set up Cactus Cougar aka Puma ... From: cbhensler@aol.com To:
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              Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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              Nope no limitations except those set upon yourself.......easy peasy.






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              The reason why you can't visualize his BS is because actually various governments have been created because it's always been difficult for people to survive their neighbor's unhampered freedom. The dog eat dog world he denies actually would exist without some sort of social limitations.














              Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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              Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?






              It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that does.






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              ‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.





              The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes any need for a “military”. And yes, PG, it's extremely hard to visualize that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations of indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years of recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the Win-Lose Paradigm.





              The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires a revolutionary paradigm shift!





              Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com<http://www.freedomainradio.com/> is excellent, or, if you prefer reading to listening/watching, at http://freedomain.blogspot.com<http://freedomain.blogspot.com/>. Or, if you prefer to learn what Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at www.CapitalismTheLibertal<http://www.capitalismthelibertal/>Revolution.com.





              --bob & lou















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              Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?












              See below






              In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CactusCougar@...<> writes:




              The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.


















              It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "Iron Triangle" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (industry), the Pentagon (military), and the United States government, as a "cartel" that works against the public interest, and whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the "Military-Industrial-Complex" (MIC). General Dwight D. Eisenhower must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.









              While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "Prosper", it was critical to "Invest" in a system of "Checks" and "Balances", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for profit enterprise doesn't receive a "Check", their books won't "Balance", and the "Investors" won't "Prosper".









              As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any "for profit" enterprise - whether that be the "mom & pop" corner drug store, or a "publicly held, international, conglomerate", - is measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing to address this issue, when the "Mission is Accomplished", and the yellow ribbons go in the closet?










              Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1 billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222 per day, per single "protective security specialist". That works out to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once preformed by the U.S. Military.









              On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's family $250,000 as an "apology", Blackwater felt that amount to be excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.









              I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year, but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time for me.




              - postherguy (2007)
























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            • John Machado
              Bobby lives in a bubble with a moat inside a 5 million acre swamp ... He simply cannot see the system he envisions ..  as it would sit inan urban or suburban
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 14, 2014
                Bobby lives in a bubble with a moat inside a 5 million acre swamp ...
                He simply cannot see the system he envisions ..  as it would sit inan urban or suburban setting .... where everyone has the right to usean unrestricted intersection .. which would be an intersection of horsetrails, since no government would build roads ... and all pass throughthe intersection at 70 MPH with modern .. unregulated .. vehicles


                Bobby takes myopia to new levels ... could be that he's beenprojected into our world from the 1700s by time machine.  Wonderif he knew Tommy Jefferson or any of the big boys ...... Nah.   













                100 dollars to anyone who can explain the WTC 1, 2 symmetrical collapses
                from 1360 feet ... in 11 seconds ... without preset explosives and / or thermite.



                100 dollars to anyone who can explain how Silverstein and his mysterious,
                never-named, NYFD commander managed to go ahead and "pull" WTC 7
                if preset explosives were not already in the building

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                Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:22 PM
                Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?

                Or the ones he wants to set up    Cactus Cougar aka Puma
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                Nope no limitations except those set upon yourself.......easy peasy.




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                  The reason why you can't visualize his BS is because actually various governments have been created because it's always been difficult for people to survive their neighbor's unhampered freedom.  The dog eat dog world he denies actually would exist without some sort of social limitations.         Cactus Cougar aka Puma
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                It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that does.




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                Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?


                ‘nother strawman, Postie.  I’ve never advocated a private military.   The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes any need for a “military”.  And yes, PG, it's extremely hard to visualize that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations of indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years of recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State claiming  to protect ourlives and  property and operating based on the Win-Lose Paradigm.   The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work.  It requires a revolutionary paradigm shift!   Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com is excellent, or, if you prefer reading to listening/watching, at http://freedomain.blogspot.com.  Or, if you prefer to learn what Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at www.CapitalismTheLibertalRevolution.com.   --bob & lou       From: Postherguy@... [mailto:Postherguy@...]
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                Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?     See below
                In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CactusCougar@... writes:
                The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a private police.  That spells trouble from the onset.  After all, this private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what?  If we all have to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we already have now?  If a private corporation owns that military, then they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the slaves of that corporation.  Bob doesn't see that though. 


                    It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "Iron Triangle" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (industry), the Pentagon (military), and the United States government, as a "cartel" that works against the public interest, and whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the "Military-Industrial-Complex" (MIC). General Dwight D. Eisenhower must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.   While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "Prosper", it was critical to "Invest" in a system of "Checks" and "Balances", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for profit enterprise doesn't receive a "Check", their books won't "Balance", and the "Investors" won't "Prosper".   As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any "for profit" enterprise - whether that be the "mom & pop" corner drug store, or a "publicly held, international, conglomerate", - is measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing to address this issue, when the "Mission is Accomplished", and the yellow ribbons go in the closet?   Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1 billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222 per day, per single "protective security specialist". That works out to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once preformed by the U.S. Military.   On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's family $250,000 as an "apology", Blackwater felt that amount to be excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.   I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year, but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time for me.                                                                                                  -  postherguy  (2007)  


                     











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                You make the false assumtion that if the gov. didn t build any roads, nobody would. It s understandable that a guy like you wouldn t know this, but there have
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 14, 2014
                  You make the false assumtion that if the gov. didn't build any roads,
                  nobody would. It's understandable that a guy like you wouldn't know this,
                  but there have been, and still are private roads. There have been and are
                  also private companies that build cars!


                  When I was a kid we used to go to a huge beach place, where at the time
                  cars were allowed to drive. Even though there were many cars, motorbikes,
                  pedestrians, people sleeping, sunbathing, etc. I never recall any accident
                  at all, even though there were no lights, signs, restrictions, nothing.
                  How would you account for that? All those people didn't need any sort of
                  gov. help at all on that beach.






                  On 14 November 2014 14:19, John Machado <jmach499@...> wrote:


                  >
                  > Bobby lives in a bubble with a moat inside a 5 million acre swamp ...
                  >
                  > He simply cannot see the system he envisions .. as it would sit in
                  > an urban or suburban setting .... where everyone has the right to use
                  > an unrestricted intersection .. which would be an intersection of horse
                  > trails, since no government would build roads ... and all pass through
                  > the intersection at 70 MPH with modern .. unregulated .. vehicles
                  >
                  >
                  > Bobby takes myopia to new levels ... could be that he's been
                  > projected into our world from the 1700s by time machine. Wonder
                  > if he knew Tommy Jefferson or any of the big boys ...... Nah.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > >
                  > 100 dollars to anyone who can explain the WTC 1, 2 symmetrical collapses
                  > from 1360 feet ... in 11 seconds ... without preset explosives and / or
                  > thermite.
                  >
                  >
                  > >
                  > 100 dollars to anyone who can explain how Silverstein and his mysterious,
                  > never-named, NYFD commander managed to go ahead and "pull" WTC 7
                  > if preset explosives were not already in the building
                  >
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                  > Or the ones he wants to set up
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                  > Nope no limitations except those set upon yourself.......easy peasy.
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                  > Sent: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 9:44 pm
                  > Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                  >
                  >
                  > The reason why you can't visualize his BS is because actually various
                  > governments have been created because it's always been difficult for people
                  > to survive their neighbor's unhampered freedom. The dog eat dog world he
                  > denies actually would exist without some sort of social limitations.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Cactus Cougar aka Puma
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                  > *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:09 AM
                  > *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                  >

                  > It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all
                  > you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea

                  > unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability
                  > to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars
                  > that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that
                  > can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it
                  > comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential
                  > component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce
                  > humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that
                  > does.
                  >
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
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                  > almagors@...>; Jembuck <Jembuck@...>
                  > Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 10:16 pm
                  > Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                  >
                  > *‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.*
                  >
                  > *The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes any
                  > need for a “military”. And yes, PG, *it's extremely hard to visualize
                  > that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations of
                  > indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years of
                  > recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State
                  > claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the
                  > Win-Lose Paradigm.
                  >
                  > The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would
                  > operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just
                  > without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires
                  > a revolutionary paradigm shift!
                  >
                  > Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com
                  > <http://www.freedomainradio.com/> is excellent, or, if you prefer reading
                  > to listening/watching, at http://freedomain.blogspot.com Or, if you
                  > prefer to learn what Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at
                  > www.CapitalismTheLibertal <http://www.capitalismthelibertal/>
                  > Revolution.com.
                  >
                  > --bob & lou
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > *From:* Postherguy@... [mailto:Postherguy@...
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                  > *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                  >
                  >
                  > *See below*
                  >
                  > In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
                  > CactusCougar@... writes:
                  >
                  > The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a
                  > private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this
                  > private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have
                  > to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we
                  > already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then
                  > they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the
                  > slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > *It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term
                  > Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "**Iron
                  > Triangle**" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (*
                  > *industry**), the Pentagon (**military**), and the United States
                  > government, as a "**cartel**" that works against the public interest, and
                  > whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the *
                  > *"Military-Industrial-Complex**" (**MIC**). General Dwight D. Eisenhower
                  > must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.*
                  >

                  > *While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "*
                  > *Prosper**", it was critical to "**Invest**" in a system of "**Checks**"
                  > and "**Balances**", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for
                  > profit enterprise doesn't receive a "**Check**", their books won't "*
                  > *Balance**", and the "**Investors**" won't "**Prosper**".*
                  >
                  > *As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any
                  > "**for profit**" enterprise - whether that be the "**mom & pop**" corner
                  > drug store, or a "**publicly held, international, conglomerate**", - is
                  > measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are
                  > companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing
                  > to address this issue, when the "**Mission **is** Accomplished**", and
                  > the yellow ribbons go in the closet? *
                  >
                  > *Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United
                  > States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1
                  > billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222
                  > per day, per single "**protective security specialist**". That works out
                  > to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once
                  > preformed by the U.S. Military. *
                  >
                  > *On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old
                  > Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel
                  > Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and
                  > was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While
                  > the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's
                  > family $250,000 as an "**apology**", Blackwater felt that amount to be
                  > excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another
                  > instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after
                  > Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the
                  > employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.*
                  >
                  > *I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year,
                  > but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time
                  > for me.*
                  >
                  > * -
                  > postherguy (2007)*
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                  >




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                • Puma
                  Unless he lives on an island by himself, his right to swing his fist ends about an inch from the tip of my nose. So much for all that unregulated freedom. In
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 14, 2014
                    Unless he lives on an island by himself, his right to swing his fist ends about an inch from the tip of my nose. So much for all that unregulated freedom. In the end, all his freedom would amount to is a society where the bigger guy just beats the crap out of him. What Bob doesn't want to realize is that there is always some guy who's bigger and stronger than he.




















                    Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                    Bobby lives in a bubble with a moat inside a 5 million acre swamp ...








                    He simply cannot see the system he envisions .. as it would sit in


                    an urban or suburban setting .... where everyone has the right to use


                    an unrestricted intersection .. which would be an intersection of horse



                    trails, since no government would build roads ... and all pass through


                    the intersection at 70 MPH with modern .. unregulated .. vehicles














                    Bobby takes myopia to new levels ... could be that he's been


                    projected into our world from the 1700s by time machine. Wonder


                    if he knew Tommy Jefferson or any of the big boys ...... Nah.


























                    >
                    100 dollars to anyone who can explain the WTC 1, 2 symmetrical collapses
                    from 1360 feet ... in 11 seconds ... without preset explosives and / or thermite.






                    >
                    100 dollars to anyone who can explain how Silverstein and his mysterious,
                    never-named, NYFD commander managed to go ahead and "pull" WTC 7
                    if preset explosives were not already in the building












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                    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:22 PM
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                    Or the ones he wants to set up














                    Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:20 PM


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                    Nope no limitations except those set upon yourself.......easy peasy.






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                    The reason why you can't visualize his BS is because actually various governments have been created because it's always been difficult for people to survive their neighbor's unhampered freedom. The dog eat dog world he denies actually would exist without some sort of social limitations.














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                    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:09 AM


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                    It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that does.






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                    Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?










                    ‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.





                    The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes any need for a “military”. And yes, PG, it's extremely hard to visualize that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations of indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years of recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the Win-Lose Paradigm.





                    The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires a revolutionary paradigm shift!





                    Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com<http://www.freedomainradio.com/> is excellent, or, if you prefer reading to listening/watching, at http://freedomain.blogspot.com<http://freedomain.blogspot.com/>. Or, if you prefer to learn what Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at www.CapitalismTheLibertal<http://www.capitalismthelibertal/>Revolution.com.





                    --bob & lou















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                    Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?












                    See below






                    In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CactusCougar@...<about:blank> writes:




                    The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.


















                    It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "Iron Triangle" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (industry), the Pentagon (military), and the United States government, as a "cartel" that works against the public interest, and whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the "Military-Industrial-Complex" (MIC). General Dwight D. Eisenhower must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.









                    While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "Prosper", it was critical to "Invest" in a system of "Checks" and "Balances", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for profit enterprise doesn't receive a "Check", their books won't "Balance", and the "Investors" won't "Prosper".









                    As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any "for profit" enterprise - whether that be the "mom & pop" corner drug store, or a "publicly held, international, conglomerate", - is measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing to address this issue, when the "Mission is Accomplished", and the yellow ribbons go in the closet?









                    Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1 billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222 per day, per single "protective security specialist". That works out to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once preformed by the U.S. Military.










                    On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's family $250,000 as an "apology", Blackwater felt that amount to be excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.









                    I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year, but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time for me.




                    - postherguy (2007)






























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                    I don t know about him, but most freedom lovers, don t advocate for the unregulated freedom to punch somebody in the nose. Usually they say we should be
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 14, 2014
                      I don't know about him, but most freedom lovers, don't advocate for the
                      unregulated freedom to punch somebody in the nose. Usually they say we
                      should be free, AS LONG AS WE DONT HURT othes. AND, that others have the
                      right to self protection.
                      Do you recognize that such a stand is a really big differencde to what you
                      suggested?


                      If fact I'm a proponent of the NAP(non-aggression principle) which is just
                      that, don't initiate force. It turns out that there are only about 2 or 3
                      people on this forum that also subscribe to that principle, the others are
                      just fine with initiating violence. I've never been able to get any of
                      them to justify it though(except perhaps for the Sarge un-freedom, but then
                      again he's pretty much outright fascist, he doesn't even believe in freedom
                      of speech)).


                      On 15 November 2014 00:56, Puma <CactusCougar@...> wrote:


                      > Unless he lives on an island by himself, his right to swing his fist
                      > ends about an inch from the tip of my nose. So much for all that
                      > unregulated freedom. In the end, all his freedom would amount to is a
                      > society where the bigger guy just beats the crap out of him. What Bob
                      > doesn't want to realize is that there is always some guy who's bigger and
                      > stronger than he.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Cactus Cougar aka Puma
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                      > *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 8:19 AM
                      > *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                      >
                      >
                      > Bobby lives in a bubble with a moat inside a 5 million acre swamp ...
                      >
                      > He simply cannot see the system he envisions .. as it would sit in
                      > an urban or suburban setting .... where everyone has the right to use
                      > an unrestricted intersection .. which would be an intersection of horse
                      > trails, since no government would build roads ... and all pass through
                      > the intersection at 70 MPH with modern .. unregulated .. vehicles
                      >
                      >
                      > Bobby takes myopia to new levels ... could be that he's been
                      > projected into our world from the 1700s by time machine. Wonder
                      > if he knew Tommy Jefferson or any of the big boys ...... Nah.
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      >
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                      >
                      > >
                      > 100 dollars to anyone who can explain the WTC 1, 2 symmetrical collapses
                      > from 1360 feet ... in 11 seconds ... without preset explosives and / or
                      > thermite.
                      >
                      >
                      > >
                      > 100 dollars to anyone who can explain how Silverstein and his mysterious,
                      > never-named, NYFD commander managed to go ahead and "pull" WTC 7
                      > if preset explosives were not already in the building
                      >
                      > ------------------------------
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                      > *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:22 PM
                      > *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                      >
                      > Or the ones he wants to set up
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      > Cactus Cougar aka Puma
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                      >
                      > Nope no limitations except those set upon yourself.......easy peasy.
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                      > Sent: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 9:44 pm
                      > Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                      >
                      >
                      > The reason why you can't visualize his BS is because actually various
                      > governments have been created because it's always been difficult for people
                      > to survive their neighbor's unhampered freedom. The dog eat dog world he
                      > denies actually would exist without some sort of social limitations.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Cactus Cougar aka Puma
                      >
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                      > *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:09 AM
                      > *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                      >

                      > It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all
                      > you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea

                      > unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability
                      > to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars
                      > that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that
                      > can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it
                      > comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential
                      > component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce
                      > humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that
                      > does.
                      >
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
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                      > Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 10:16 pm
                      > Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                      >
                      > *‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.*
                      >
                      > *The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes any
                      > need for a “military”. And yes, PG, *it's extremely hard to visualize
                      > that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations of
                      > indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years of
                      > recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State
                      > claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the
                      > Win-Lose Paradigm.
                      >
                      > The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would
                      > operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just
                      > without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires
                      > a revolutionary paradigm shift!
                      >
                      > Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com
                      > <http://www.freedomainradio.com/> is excellent, or, if you prefer reading
                      > to listening/watching, at http://freedomain.blogspot.com Or, if you
                      > prefer to learn what Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at
                      > www.CapitalismTheLibertal <http://www.capitalismthelibertal/>
                      > Revolution.com.
                      >
                      > --bob & lou
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > *From:* Postherguy@... [mailto:Postherguy@...
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                      > *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                      >
                      >
                      > *See below*
                      >
                      > In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
                      > CactusCougar@... writes:
                      >
                      > The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a
                      > private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this
                      > private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have
                      > to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we
                      > already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then
                      > they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the
                      > slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > *It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term
                      > Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "**Iron
                      > Triangle**" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (*
                      > *industry**), the Pentagon (**military**), and the United States
                      > government, as a "**cartel**" that works against the public interest, and
                      > whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the *
                      > *"Military-Industrial-Complex**" (**MIC**). General Dwight D. Eisenhower
                      > must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.*
                      >

                      > *While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "*
                      > *Prosper**", it was critical to "**Invest**" in a system of "**Checks**"
                      > and "**Balances**", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for
                      > profit enterprise doesn't receive a "**Check**", their books won't "*
                      > *Balance**", and the "**Investors**" won't "**Prosper**".*
                      >
                      > *As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any
                      > "**for profit**" enterprise - whether that be the "**mom & pop**" corner
                      > drug store, or a "**publicly held, international, conglomerate**", - is
                      > measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are
                      > companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing
                      > to address this issue, when the "**Mission **is** Accomplished**", and
                      > the yellow ribbons go in the closet? *
                      >
                      > *Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United
                      > States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1
                      > billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222
                      > per day, per single "**protective security specialist**". That works out
                      > to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once
                      > preformed by the U.S. Military. *
                      >
                      > *On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old
                      > Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel
                      > Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and
                      > was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While
                      > the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's
                      > family $250,000 as an "**apology**", Blackwater felt that amount to be
                      > excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another
                      > instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after
                      > Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the
                      > employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.*
                      >
                      > *I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year,
                      > but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time
                      > for me.*
                      >
                      > * -
                      > postherguy (2007)*
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >




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                    • Puma
                      And who is going to enforce your rules? Who s going to ensure that bullies don t hurt others for the sheer hell of it? Cactus Cougar aka Puma ... From:
                      Message 10 of 22 , Nov 14, 2014
                        And who is going to enforce your rules? Who's going to ensure that bullies don't hurt others for the sheer hell of it?











                        Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                        Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?












                        I don't know about him, but most freedom lovers, don't advocate for the unregulated freedom to punch somebody in the nose. Usually they say we should be free, AS LONG AS WE DONT HURT othes. AND, that others have the right to self protection.


                        Do you recognize that such a stand is a really big differencde to what you suggested?


                        If fact I'm a proponent of the NAP(non-aggression principle) which is just that, don't initiate force. It turns out that there are only about 2 or 3 people on this forum that also subscribe to that principle, the others are just fine with initiating violence. I've never been able to get any of them to justify it though(except perhaps for the Sarge un-freedom, but then again he's pretty much outright fascist, he doesn't even believe in freedom of speech)).






                        On 15 November 2014 00:56, Puma <CactusCougar@...<mailto:CactusCougar@...>> wrote:







                        Unless he lives on an island by himself, his right to swing his fist ends about an inch from the tip of my nose. So much for all that unregulated freedom. In the end, all his freedom would amount to is a society where the bigger guy just beats the crap out of him. What Bob doesn't want to realize is that there is always some guy who's bigger and stronger than he.




















                        Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                        Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:19 AM


                        Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?






















                        Bobby lives in a bubble with a moat inside a 5 million acre swamp ...








                        He simply cannot see the system he envisions .. as it would sit in


                        an urban or suburban setting .... where everyone has the right to use


                        an unrestricted intersection .. which would be an intersection of horse


                        trails, since no government would build roads ... and all pass through


                        the intersection at 70 MPH with modern .. unregulated .. vehicles














                        Bobby takes myopia to new levels ... could be that he's been


                        projected into our world from the 1700s by time machine. Wonder


                        if he knew Tommy Jefferson or any of the big boys ...... Nah.


























                        >
                        100 dollars to anyone who can explain the WTC 1, 2 symmetrical collapses
                        from 1360 feet ... in 11 seconds ... without preset explosives and / or thermite.






                        >
                        100 dollars to anyone who can explain how Silverstein and his mysterious,
                        never-named, NYFD commander managed to go ahead and "pull" WTC 7
                        if preset explosives were not already in the building












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                        Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:22 PM
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                        Or the ones he wants to set up














                        Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                        Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:20 PM


                        Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?






                        Nope no limitations except those set upon yourself.......easy peasy.






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                        Sent: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 9:44 pm
                        Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?













                        The reason why you can't visualize his BS is because actually various governments have been created because it's always been difficult for people to survive their neighbor's unhampered freedom. The dog eat dog world he denies actually would exist without some sort of social limitations.














                        Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                        It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that does.






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                        Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?










                        ‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.





                        The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes any need for a “military”. And yes, PG, it's extremely hard to visualize that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations of indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years of recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the Win-Lose Paradigm.





                        The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires a revolutionary paradigm shift!





                        Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com<http://www.freedomainradio.com/> is excellent, or, if you prefer reading to listening/watching, at http://freedomain.blogspot.com<http://freedomain.blogspot.com/>. Or, if you prefer to learn what Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at www.CapitalismTheLibertal<http://www.capitalismthelibertal/>Revolution.com.





                        --bob & lou















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                        Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?












                        See below






                        In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CactusCougar@...<> writes:




                        The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.


















                        It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "Iron Triangle" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (industry), the Pentagon (military), and the United States government, as a "cartel" that works against the public interest, and whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the "Military-Industrial-Complex" (MIC). General Dwight D. Eisenhower must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.









                        While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "Prosper", it was critical to "Invest" in a system of "Checks" and "Balances", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for profit enterprise doesn't receive a "Check", their books won't "Balance", and the "Investors" won't "Prosper".









                        As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any "for profit" enterprise - whether that be the "mom & pop" corner drug store, or a "publicly held, international, conglomerate", - is measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing to address this issue, when the "Mission is Accomplished", and the yellow ribbons go in the closet?









                        Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1 billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222 per day, per single "protective security specialist". That works out to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once preformed by the U.S. Military.









                        On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's family $250,000 as an "apology", Blackwater felt that amount to be excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.









                        I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year, but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time for me.




                        - postherguy (2007)
































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                      • Puma
                        Yeah, this shunning seems to work quite well for some small Amish village but I doubt it would do anything in a country this size. Then again, even the Amish
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 14, 2014
                          Yeah, this shunning seems to work quite well for some small Amish village but I doubt it would do anything in a country this size. Then again, even the Amish don't shun someone unless their ruler (their elder?) orders them to do so. And hey, nobody ever accused the Amish of being a particularly free society to begin with. DS might be as non-violent as all get-out but I doubt that impresses some bully who chooses not to be non-violent. What planet is this DS living on?











                          Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                          They will be shunned and nobody wants that. I mean my god a good shunning would deter anyone from doing anything bad. Now was the person properly shunned? Don't know I guess some sort of "court" would need to decide right?






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                          Sent: Fri, Nov 14, 2014 8:11 pm
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                          And who is going to enforce your rules? Who's going to ensure that bullies don't hurt others for the sheer hell of it?











                          Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                          Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 7:08 PM


                          Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?












                          I don't know about him, but most freedom lovers, don't advocate for the unregulated freedom to punch somebody in the nose. Usually they say we should be free, AS LONG AS WE DONT HURT othes. AND, that others have the right to self protection.


                          Do you recognize that such a stand is a really big differencde to what you suggested?


                          If fact I'm a proponent of the NAP(non-aggression principle) which is just that, don't initiate force. It turns out that there are only about 2 or 3 people on this forum that also subscribe to that principle, the others are just fine with initiating violence. I've never been able to get any of them to justify it though(except perhaps for the Sarge un-freedom, but then again he's pretty much outright fascist, he doesn't even believe in freedom of speech)).






                          On 15 November 2014 00:56, Puma <CactusCougar@...<mailto:CactusCougar@...>> wrote:







                          Unless he lives on an island by himself, his right to swing his fist ends about an inch from the tip of my nose. So much for all that unregulated freedom. In the end, all his freedom would amount to is a society where the bigger guy just beats the crap out of him. What Bob doesn't want to realize is that there is always some guy who's bigger and stronger than he.




















                          Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                          Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:19 AM


                          Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?






















                          Bobby lives in a bubble with a moat inside a 5 million acre swamp ...








                          He simply cannot see the system he envisions .. as it would sit in


                          an urban or suburban setting .... where everyone has the right to use


                          an unrestricted intersection .. which would be an intersection of horse


                          trails, since no government would build roads ... and all pass through


                          the intersection at 70 MPH with modern .. unregulated .. vehicles














                          Bobby takes myopia to new levels ... could be that he's been


                          projected into our world from the 1700s by time machine. Wonder


                          if he knew Tommy Jefferson or any of the big boys ...... Nah.


























                          >
                          100 dollars to anyone who can explain the WTC 1, 2 symmetrical collapses
                          from 1360 feet ... in 11 seconds ... without preset explosives and / or thermite.






                          >
                          100 dollars to anyone who can explain how Silverstein and his mysterious,
                          never-named, NYFD commander managed to go ahead and "pull" WTC 7
                          if preset explosives were not already in the building












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                          Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:22 PM
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                          Or the ones he wants to set up














                          Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                          Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:20 PM


                          Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?






                          Nope no limitations except those set upon yourself.......easy peasy.






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                          Sent: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 9:44 pm
                          Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?













                          The reason why you can't visualize his BS is because actually various governments have been created because it's always been difficult for people to survive their neighbor's unhampered freedom. The dog eat dog world he denies actually would exist without some sort of social limitations.














                          Cactus Cougar aka Puma




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                          Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:09 AM


                          Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?






                          It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that does.






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                          Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 10:16 pm
                          Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?










                          ‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.





                          The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes any need for a “military”. And yes, PG, it's extremely hard to visualize that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations of indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years of recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the Win-Lose Paradigm.





                          The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires a revolutionary paradigm shift!





                          Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com<http://www.freedomainradio.com/> is excellent, or, if you prefer reading to listening/watching, at http://freedomain.blogspot.com<http://freedomain.blogspot.com/>. Or, if you prefer to learn what Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at www.CapitalismTheLibertal<http://www.capitalismthelibertal/>Revolution.com.





                          --bob & lou















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                          Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?












                          See below






                          In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CactusCougar@...<> writes:




                          The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.


















                          It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "Iron Triangle" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (industry), the Pentagon (military), and the United States government, as a "cartel" that works against the public interest, and whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the "Military-Industrial-Complex" (MIC). General Dwight D. Eisenhower must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.









                          While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "Prosper", it was critical to "Invest" in a system of "Checks" and "Balances", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for profit enterprise doesn't receive a "Check", their books won't "Balance", and the "Investors" won't "Prosper".









                          As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any "for profit" enterprise - whether that be the "mom & pop" corner drug store, or a "publicly held, international, conglomerate", - is measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing to address this issue, when the "Mission is Accomplished", and the yellow ribbons go in the closet?









                          Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1 billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222 per day, per single "protective security specialist". That works out to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once preformed by the U.S. Military.









                          On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's family $250,000 as an "apology", Blackwater felt that amount to be excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.









                          I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year, but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time for me.




                          - postherguy (2007)
































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                        • Sergeant Freedom
                          If you don t like GOVERNMENT having the Constitutional authority and responsibility to build a nations roads, then you should move out of Canada, don t come
                          Message 12 of 22 , Nov 15, 2014
                            If you don't like "GOVERNMENT" having the Constitutional authority and
                            responsibility to build a nations roads, then you should move out of
                            Canada, don't come here either because in the USA, our Constitution
                            specifically puts that as a Government responsibility, just like having an
                            Army and Navy, ... and perhaps you can move to one of the only places on
                            earth that doesn't have roads as a GOVERNMENT responsibility.


                            Actually, I don't think there is a place on earth like that.


                            The suggestions that everything should be PRIVATE PROPERTY makes you TOTAL
                            CRACKPOTS. It's insane to suggest that only rich private citizens should
                            build the roads with their own money, then charge us to use their personal
                            property, meaning a rich guys property would have to span the entire
                            nation. It would be impossible to be that rich. Anyone was working to
                            achieve such wealth where they could own property that spans the entire
                            nation would eventually be dragged out into the streets and horribly
                            executed by the masses that would have to live in squalor for such a system
                            to be in place.


                            Every human society that has ever existed where the super rich took for
                            themselves a larger and larger portion of the available wealth has always
                            collapsed, sometimes in bloody revolutions. Such is the way of things. In
                            America today, we have a political ideology, Right Wing RepubliCons that
                            are striving for such a situation again, aggregating more and more wealth
                            in fewer and fewer hands as the Right Wing ideologues in Congress work
                            feverishly to protect and defend thee Trillions now hoarded away in
                            offshore accounts by their masters.


                            On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 4:37 PM, ds <microdhses@...> wrote:


                            > You make the false assumtion that if the gov. didn't build any roads,
                            > nobody would. It's understandable that a guy like you wouldn't know this,
                            > but there have been, and still are private roads. There have been and are
                            > also private companies that build cars!
                            >
                            > When I was a kid we used to go to a huge beach place, where at the time
                            > cars were allowed to drive. Even though there were many cars, motorbikes,
                            > pedestrians, people sleeping, sunbathing, etc. I never recall any accident
                            > at all, even though there were no lights, signs, restrictions, nothing.
                            > How would you account for that? All those people didn't need any sort of
                            > gov. help at all on that beach.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > On 14 November 2014 14:19, John Machado <jmach499@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >>
                            >> Bobby lives in a bubble with a moat inside a 5 million acre swamp ...
                            >>
                            >> He simply cannot see the system he envisions .. as it would sit in
                            >> an urban or suburban setting .... where everyone has the right to use
                            >> an unrestricted intersection .. which would be an intersection of horse
                            >> trails, since no government would build roads ... and all pass through
                            >> the intersection at 70 MPH with modern .. unregulated .. vehicles
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> Bobby takes myopia to new levels ... could be that he's been
                            >> projected into our world from the 1700s by time machine. Wonder
                            >> if he knew Tommy Jefferson or any of the big boys ...... Nah.
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> >
                            >> 100 dollars to anyone who can explain the WTC 1, 2 symmetrical collapses
                            >> from 1360 feet ... in 11 seconds ... without preset explosives and / or
                            >> thermite.
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> >
                            >> 100 dollars to anyone who can explain how Silverstein and his mysterious,

                            >> never-named, NYFD commander managed to go ahead and "pull" WTC 7
                            >> if preset explosives were not already in the building
                            >>
                            >> ------------------------------
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                            >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:22 PM
                            >>
                            >> *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                            >>
                            >> Or the ones he wants to set up
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> Cactus Cougar aka Puma
                            >>
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                            >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:20 PM
                            >> *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                            >>
                            >> Nope no limitations except those set upon yourself.......easy peasy.
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> -----Original Message-----
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                            >> Sent: Thu, Nov 13, 2014 9:44 pm
                            >> Subject: Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> The reason why you can't visualize his BS is because actually various
                            >> governments have been created because it's always been difficult for people
                            >> to survive their neighbor's unhampered freedom. The dog eat dog world he
                            >> denies actually would exist without some sort of social limitations.
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> Cactus Cougar aka Puma
                            >>
                            >> ----- Original Message -----
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                            >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:09 AM
                            >> *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                            >>
                            >> It is hard to visualize due to the lack of reality involved. First of all
                            >> you are all but garaunteeing this technology which is never a good idea
                            >> unless you hold it in your hand. Second of all for me it is not the ability
                            >> to see advances in technology as we live in an age where we now have cars
                            >> that park themselves and cell phones that fit in the palm of your hand that
                            >> can essentially help you run your whole life. The problem I have when it
                            >> comes to this VS Bob is the complete dismissal of one very essential

                            >> component which is of course, the quirky human being. You can't reduce
                            >> humans to a science or technology at least I want no part of a society that
                            >> does.
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> -----Original Message-----
                            >> From: Bob Wynman <bobalou@...>
                            >> To: Postherguy <Postherguy@...>; AudioLaw <AudioLaw@...>;
                            >> CactusCougar <CactusCougar@...>; cbhensler <cbhensler@...>
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                            >> Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 10:16 pm
                            >> Subject: RE: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                            >>
                            >> *‘nother strawman, Postie. I’ve never advocated a private military.*
                            >>
                            >> *The technology available in the win-Win free-market society obsoletes
                            >> any need for a “military”. And yes, PG, *it's extremely hard to
                            >> visualize that stable, durable free win-win society after a few generations
                            >> of indoctrination by State-controlled schools and media, plus 6,000 years
                            >> of recorded human history in which there's ALWAYS been the coercive State
                            >> claiming to protect ourlives and property and operating based on the
                            >> Win-Lose Paradigm.
                            >>
                            >> The great majority of people, who imagine that a free society would
                            >> operate much like our present political coercive force-based society, just
                            >> without the coercive State CANNOT see how freedom could work. It requires
                            >> a revolutionary paradigm shift!
                            >>
                            >> Stefan Molyneux's FREE info at www.FreeDomainRadio.com
                            >> <http://www.freedomainradio.com/> is excellent, or, if you prefer
                            >> reading to listening/watching, at http://freedomain.blogspot.com Or,
                            >> if you prefer to learn what Galambos & othere contributed, it’s now free at
                            >> www.CapitalismTheLibertal <http://www.capitalismthelibertal/>
                            >> Revolution.com.
                            >>
                            >> --bob & lou
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> *From:* Postherguy@... [mailto:Postherguy@...
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                            >> *Subject:* Re: Brian on National Defense in the Free society?
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> *See below*
                            >>
                            >> In a message dated 11/11/2014 11:26:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
                            >> CactusCougar@... writes:
                            >>
                            >> The last thing on earth any country needs is a private military or a
                            >> private police. That spells trouble from the onset. After all, this
                            >> private military Bob envisions is financed by whom or what? If we all have
                            >> to pay for it, then what's the difference between that and the military we
                            >> already have now? If a private corporation owns that military, then
                            >> they'll just overthrow the whole country with it and we'll all be the
                            >> slaves of that corporation. Bob doesn't see that though.
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> *It was a seasoned soldier, war hardened General, and two term
                            >> Republican President, who fifty years ago warned against the "**Iron
                            >> Triangle**" of institutionalized collusion between defense contractors (*
                            >> *industry**), the Pentagon (**military**), and the United States
                            >> government, as a "**cartel**" that works against the public interest,
                            >> and whose motivation is profiteering. He termed this unholy alliance, the *
                            >> *"Military-Industrial-Complex**" (**MIC**). General Dwight D. Eisenhower
                            >> must be, at this very moment, rolling over in his grave.*
                            >>
                            >> *While the founding fathers felt that if this new government was to "*
                            >> *Prosper**", it was critical to "**Invest**" in a system of "**Checks**"
                            >> and "**Balances**", I'm pretty sure they didn't intend, that if a for
                            >> profit enterprise doesn't receive a "**Check**", their books won't "*
                            >> *Balance**", and the "**Investors**" won't "**Prosper**".*
                            >>
                            >> *As a business person, I am acutely aware that the health of almost any
                            >> "**for profit**" enterprise - whether that be the "**mom & pop**" corner
                            >> drug store, or a "**publicly held, international, conglomerate**", - is
                            >> measured by the % increase in revenues from one year to the next. How are
                            >> companies like Blackwater, Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, et al, planing
                            >> to address this issue, when the "**Mission **is** Accomplished**", and
                            >> the yellow ribbons go in the closet? *
                            >>
                            >> *Prior to 2001, Blackwater Worldwide had less than $1 million in United
                            >> States government contracts. Since 2001, they have earned more than $1
                            >> billion in federal work. They currently bill the American tax payer $1,222
                            >> per day, per single "**protective security specialist**". That works out
                            >> to be $445,891 per specialist, per year. Specialist performing duties once
                            >> preformed by the U.S. Military. *
                            >>
                            >> *On Dec. 24, a drunken Blackwater employee shot and killed 30-year-old
                            >> Reheem Khalaf, a body guard for Iraq's Shiite vice president, Adel
                            >> Abdul-Mahda. And the punishment for this murder? The employee was fired and
                            >> was then transported home to his family by the U.S. State Department. While
                            >> the State Dept. initially recommended that Blackwater pay the guard's
                            >> family $250,000 as an "**apology**", Blackwater felt that amount to be
                            >> excessive, and in the end, settled on a $15,000 payment. In another
                            >> instance, the department recommended Blackwater make a $5,000 payment after
                            >> Blackwater employees killed an innocent Iraqi bystander in an incident the
                            >> employees failed to report and Blackwater tried to cover-up.*
                            >>
                            >> *I guess a Blackwater employee is worth almost half a million a year,
                            >> but an Iraqi life is worth only $5,000. General Eisenhower - roll one time
                            >> for me.*
                            >>
                            >> * -
                            >> postherguy (2007)*
                            >>
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