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Brian on Appreciation of the Tyranny of the State!

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  • Bob Wynman
    From: cbhensler@aol.com [mailto:cbhensler@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:02 PM To: bobalou@wynman.com; pelli8@windstream.net; ozrkhllblly@aol.com
    Message 1 of 4 , Sep 23, 2014
      From: cbhensler@... [mailto:cbhensler@...]
      Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:02 PM
      To: bobalou@...; pelli8@...; ozrkhllblly@...
      Cc: kokopelli_60@...
      Subject: Re: [Rightisright] Re: Paul on Opinions & Wars





      Well Bob in there lies the rub. You see it is working just not to your
      liking or mine as it were. Neither one of us are entirely content with the
      way the system is being run, but the difference between you and I is that I
      tend to stick to reality and hold actual humans responsible while you choose
      to hold an entity responsible.


      [Bo7b:] --Aw, shucks, Brian, it's not so much "the entity" (I assume you're
      referring to the State, yes?) that's responsible for lasting war, poverty,
      regression and servitude, it's the adoption of the Montagne Dogma, the
      win-lose paradigm by the pseudo-intellectuals who guide the herd to believe
      the myth that the state is somehow necessary for society to function . while
      the concept of the monopoly on the initiation of force which the State
      represents is the most destructive idea ever created. --bob





      There are simply millions of ppl who are perhaps like me not "happy" with
      the state of our state but have the ability to be aware of what we have
      gotten and continue to get out as we put in. You have done well in this
      country and reside in one of the most beautiful parts of it


      [Bo7b:] -Yes, and certainly not by accident. -- bob


      yet have no real appreciation for it. I find that singularly sad.


      [Bo7b:] -'tis you choice to find it sad, Brian, but you really need not find
      it so, for it is definitely not true. Every day Lou & appreciate the
      beauty, clean air, great water, health-conscious neighbors, great hiking,
      x-c skiing, canoeing, kayaking, mt. biking opportunities that our
      environment supplies, especially the hundreds of miles of trails & abandoned
      logging roads just out our back door, available to use, courtesy of the
      coercive State's claim of "ownership". We also greatly appreciate the fact
      that we've been able to save a small part of what we earned with the help of
      the State-imposed prohibition of you, Earl, Floyd & the rest from competing
      as dentists because you chose not to pay the dues the State requires for our
      special privilege, imposed against y'all at gun-point.


      Regardless of our appreciation of all that, yes, Brian, you & Earl & Floyd &
      Lou & I would all be far better off without the bureaucratic interventionism
      of the State and it's lasting war, poverty, regression and servitude.





      --bob & lou










      -----Original Message-----
      From: Bob Wynman <bobalou@... <mailto:bobalou@...> >
      To: pelli8 <pelli8@... <mailto:pelli8@...> >;
      cbhensler <cbhensler@... <mailto:cbhensler@...> >; 'Floyd'
      <ozrkhllblly@... <mailto:ozrkhllblly@...> >
      Cc: kokopelli_60 <kokopelli_60@... <mailto:kokopelli_60@...> >
      Sent: Tue, Sep 23, 2014 3:19 pm
      Subject: RE: [Rightisright] Re: Paul on Opinions & Wars


      Well, Paul, since 6,000 years of written human history of failed attempts to


      make the treacherous road with deadly traps called statism work, 'twould
      seem
      it's time to try something else ... perhaps even the freedom of the win-win
      market society.

      --bob

      -----Original Message-----
      From: pelli8@... <mailto:pelli8@...>
      [mailto:pelli8@...]
      Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 7:25 AM
      To: bobalou@... <mailto:bobalou@...> ; cbhensler@...
      <mailto:cbhensler@...> ; Floyd
      Cc: kokopelli_60@... <mailto:kokopelli_60@...>
      Subject: Re: [Rightisright] Re: Paul on Opinions & Wars

      I agree totally!

      "It is in the choosing of the path or fork in the road that will determine
      whether one reaches success or failure."

      Yes, coupled with a good plan, hard work and a little bit of luck.
      You are correct.

      "In one respect, which is better, when paths of individuals cross, to help
      one
      another to become aware of the obstacles and hidden traps along certain
      roads,
      or to let them go blindly down those treacherous roads with the deadly
      traps."

      Better for whom?
      This is what I guarantee. Those treacherous roads with their deadly traps
      are
      indeed a problem for some but each of us have the right to choose or not
      choose
      the one we want.
      For what it's worth and as I've constantly preached about to anyone that
      cares
      to listen is that explaining to someone about going blindly down those
      treacherous roads with the deadly traps takes timing, a certain amount of
      tact,
      salesmanship and a workable alternative route. Accusing someone of being a
      dumb
      down willing slave with a sub par education for choosing a path you disagree


      with is not, IMO, the most successful way to do that. I understand blind
      faith
      and how pundits of a certain political point of view consider their beliefs
      as
      the only beliefs but, as I have said on numerous occasions, that is only
      partisanship and the reality of life is people do not all think or believe
      the
      same thing no matter how much you or I think they should.
      So I ask you Floyd, what is your alternative to these treacherous roads with
      the
      deadly traps? If it's this VS concept that has been beaten as a dead horse
      than
      I would point out that the concept is vague, speculative and never been
      attempted in the course of human history. Why, in your opinion, is that sort
      of
      thing a viable consideration for anyone considering going down a treacherous


      road with deadly traps?


      ---- Floyd <ozrkhllblly@... <mailto:ozrkhllblly@...> > wrote:
      > Paul, I am aware that there are others that "feel" that way, and all that
      I
      was attempting to do was to share and lay out the background for how I
      approach
      situations, circumstances, and various subjects. There are many paths, with
      forks in the road, towards which everyone approaches their journey in life.
      It
      is in the choosing of the path or fork in the road that will determine
      whether
      one reaches success or failure. In one respect, which is better, when paths
      of
      individuals cross, to help one another to become aware of the obstacles and
      hidden traps along certain roads, or to let them go blindly down those
      treacherous roads with the deadly traps.

      Floyd
      [Bo7b:] --------------------------------
      [Bo7b:]
      Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds


      from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other.
      ~Oscar Ameringer, "the Mark Twain of American Socialism."

      "[J]ust because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or


      local government can't constrain the exercise of that right..."
      --Barack Hussein Obama
      (1961-) 44th President of the United States
      Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate

      --bob & lou








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    • <pelli8@...>
      You know what? I m calling semantic precision bullshit on that statement. I m suggesting you might possibly have resigned yourself to the reality but I m
      Message 2 of 4 , Sep 24, 2014
        You know what?
        I'm calling semantic precision bullshit on that statement.
        I'm suggesting you might possibly have resigned yourself to the reality but I'm suggesting you're not "GLAD" about it at all.




        ---- kokopelli_60@... wrote:
        > I, for one, am glad someone I know gets to use the confiscated property.
        >
        > From: Bob Wynman
        > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:55 PM
        > To: cbhensler@... ; pelli8@... ; ozrkhllblly@... ; PoliticalForum@... ; Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com ; Rightisright@yahoogroups.com ; whateverreturns@yahoogroups.com ; whatnowdebate@yahoogroups.com ; worldwide_politics@yahoogroups.com
        > Cc: kokopelli_60@...
        > Subject: Brian on Appreciation of the Tyranny of the State!
        >
        > From: cbhensler@... [mailto:cbhensler@...]
        > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:02 PM
        > To: bobalou@...; pelli8@...; ozrkhllblly@...
        > Cc: kokopelli_60@...
        > Subject: Re: [Rightisright] Re: Paul on Opinions & Wars
        >
        >
        >
        > Well Bob in there lies the rub. You see it is working just not to your liking or mine as it were. Neither one of us are entirely content with the way the system is being run, but the difference between you and I is that I tend to stick to reality and hold actual humans responsible while you choose to hold an entity responsible.
        >
        > [Bo7b:] --Aw, shucks, Brian, it’s not so much “the entity” (I assume you’re referring to the State, yes?) that’s responsible for lasting war, poverty, regression and servitude, it’s the adoption of the Montagne Dogma, the win-lose paradigm by the pseudo-intellectuals who guide the herd to believe the myth that the state is somehow necessary for society to function … while the concept of the monopoly on the initiation of force which the State represents is the most destructive idea ever created. --bob
        >
        >
        >
        > There are simply millions of ppl who are perhaps like me not "happy" with the state of our state but have the ability to be aware of what we have gotten and continue to get out as we put in. You have done well in this country and reside in one of the most beautiful parts of it
        >
        > [Bo7b:] –Yes, and certainly not by accident. -- bob
        >
        > yet have no real appreciation for it. I find that singularly sad.
        >
        > [Bo7b:] –‘tis you choice to find it sad, Brian, but you really need not find it so, for it is definitely not true. Every day Lou & appreciate the beauty, clean air, great water, health-conscious neighbors, great hiking, x-c skiing, canoeing, kayaking, mt. biking opportunities that our environment supplies, especially the hundreds of miles of trails & abandoned logging roads just out our back door, available to use, courtesy of the coercive State’s claim of “ownership”. We also greatly appreciate the fact that we’ve been able to save a small part of what we earned with the help of the State-imposed prohibition of you, Earl, Floyd & the rest from competing as dentists because you chose not to pay the dues the State requires for our special privilege, imposed against y’all at gun-point.
        >
        > Regardless of our appreciation of all that, yes, Brian, you & Earl & Floyd & Lou & I would all be far better off without the bureaucratic interventionism of the State and it’s lasting war, poverty, regression and servitude.
        >
        >
        >
        > --bob & lou
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Bob Wynman <bobalou@...>
        > To: pelli8 <pelli8@...>; cbhensler <cbhensler@...>; 'Floyd' <ozrkhllblly@...>
        > Cc: kokopelli_60 <kokopelli_60@...>
        > Sent: Tue, Sep 23, 2014 3:19 pm
        > Subject: RE: [Rightisright] Re: Paul on Opinions & Wars
        >
        > Well, Paul, since 6,000 years of written human history of failed attempts to make the treacherous road with deadly traps called statism work, 'twould seem it's time to try something else ... perhaps even the freedom of the win-win market society. --bob -----Original Message-----From: pelli8@... [mailto:pelli8@...] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 7:25 AMTo: bobalou@...; cbhensler@...; FloydCc: kokopelli_60@...: Re: [Rightisright] Re: Paul on Opinions & Wars I agree totally! "It is in the choosing of the path or fork in the road that will determine whether one reaches success or failure." Yes, coupled with a good plan, hard work and a little bit of luck.You are correct. "In one respect, which is better, when paths of individuals cross, to help one another to become aware of the obstacles and hidden traps along certain roads, or to let them go blindly down those treacherous roads with the deadly traps." Better for whom?This is what I guarantee. Those treacherous roads with their deadly traps are indeed a problem for some but each of us have the right to choose or not choose the one we want.For what it's worth and as I've constantly preached about to anyone that cares to listen is that explaining to someone about going blindly down those treacherous roads with the deadly traps takes timing, a certain amount of tact, salesmanship and a workable alternative route. Accusing someone of being a dumb down willing slave with a sub par education for choosing a path you disagree with is not, IMO, the most successful way to do that. I understand blind faith and how pundits of a certain political point of view consider their beliefs as the only beliefs but, as I have said on numerous occasions, that is only partisanship and the reality of life is people do not all think or believe the same thing no matter how much you or I think they should. So I ask you Floyd, what is your alternative to these treacherous roads with the deadly traps? If it's this VS concept that has been beaten as a dead horse than I would point out that the concept is vague, speculative and never been attempted in the course of human history. Why, in your opinion, is that sort of thing a viable consideration for anyone considering going down a treacherous road with deadly traps? ---- Floyd <ozrkhllblly@...> wrote: > Paul, I am aware that there are others that "feel" that way, and all that I was attempting to do was to share and lay out the background for how I approach situations, circumstances, and various subjects. There are many paths, with forks in the road, towards which everyone approaches their journey in life. It is in the choosing of the path or fork in the road that will determine whether one reaches success or failure. In one respect, which is better, when paths of individuals cross, to help one another to become aware of the obstacles and hidden traps along certain roads, or to let them go blindly down those treacherous roads with the deadly traps. Floyd[Bo7b:] --------------------------------[Bo7b:] Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other.~Oscar Ameringer, "the Mark Twain of American Socialism." "[J]ust because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right..."--Barack Hussein Obama(1961-) 44th President of the United StatesSource: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate --bob & lou
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