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  • Bob Wynman
    Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@wynman.com) Your War on American Jobs IS BEING WAGED BY YOUR OUT-OF-CONTROL SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT AND
    Message 1 of 3 , Apr 24, 2013
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      Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) Your "War on American Jobs" IS BEING WAGED BY YOUR OUT-OF-CONTROL SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT AND ITS OPPRESSIVE REGULATIONS AND TAX THEFT THAT IS DRIVING CREATIVITY, WEALTH, BRAINS AND THE JOBS THEY CREATE OUT OF THE COUNTRY OR OUT OF BUSINESS.

      AND YOU CLAMOR FOR MORE TAXES AND REGULATION.

      ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT.

      --bob & lou

      Trick Blame who plays the village idiot role in the WWP group (rblaine_1941@...) Its even worse than the picture you paint.

      Reagan (pronounced 'raygun') fired the air traffic controllers in 1981 which signaled open hunting season on unions and workers. Many industries have acknowledged this was true. From there it became one attack after another on American workers. A huge outsourcing of the auto industry began - that was war on American jobs and our middle class. The vast majority of the textile industry was outsourced as was the electronics industry. That too was war on American jobs and our middle class.

      Congress began the practice of dishing out non-immigrant/TEMPORARY work visas where foreign labor came in and got jobs, while Americans were shown the door, but not before suffering the humiliation of training those foreign workers - that was war on American jobs and our middle class.

      In 2006 the GAO wrote a report documenting that businesses operating in America were NOT required to seek an American worker before hiring a foreign worker - a quasi indentured servant because his visa was directly tied to his job by his employer who sponsored the foreign worker, even though indentured servitude has been outlawed. Meanwhile workers over age 40 in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) fields continue to be laid off and remain so for years until they are deemed "unemployable" due to "not keeping up with current technology" - the standard smoke screens for hiring cheap/docile foreign labor over American talent - that too is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.

      Over the past few years there have been numerous articles documenting job ads specifically stating that the unemployed should NOT apply for a job opening. This clearly is discrimination and yet our government does nothing to prevent it - this is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.

      Meanwhile states with repubilcan governors all work towards implementing the ALEC (a marriage between legislators and big business) agenda to make states "right-to-work-for-less" states where unions are specifically under attack via a devious plan - this too is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.- this is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.


      Since reagan pronounced open hunting season on American workers and unions wages have been in decline, spending has decreased, and the economy has been in the doldrums, which should be expected when our economy is 70% consumer spending and our middle class is in deep decline and with it discretionary spending.

      All these things can and should have been prevented and in fact were man made. All of this is the legacy of "St. Ronald Reagan".




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      From: vbboyd123456@... Boyd <vbboyd123456@...>
      Sent: Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:45 pm
      Subject: Re: [welcome_hotel] Re: GOP Want to "Reform" (Take Away) Class Action Suits: Bad Idea and Here's Why


      It used to be that during the decades of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and yes even the 1970's that a man with just a high school diploma could go out and get a good paying job that allowed him to earn enough money to support a family and live a comfortable middle class lifestyle. Not anymore. Now even college kids with college degrees can't find work, when it used to mean back in the decade of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's that a college degree was a golden ticket to not only the middle class, but also a ladder that allowed unlimited amounts of upward mobility.
      What changed in America to make all of this happen? For those of you that have been reading along so far, I will give you a hint: According to a report from MIT released in 2011, 80% of all of the growth in income and wealth over the last thirty years has gone to the top 1%.

      What happened thirty years ago from 2011? Does anybody know? Yes, that is right Ronald Reagan and the ultra radical fringe of the Republican party took power in Washington and changed the trajectory of this country with their economic policies of tax cut mania that was highly slanted to the uber-rich and their belief in government deregulation, and the American middle class and the American Dream have never been the same since.




      From: whatnow <whatnowgop@...>
      Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:17 PM
      Subject: RE: [welcome_hotel] Re: GOP Want to "Reform" (Take Away) Class Action Suits: Bad Idea and Here's Why




      Wouldn’t it have been cheaper if he were within a few feet of the explosion? That way there would not have been any body parts to clean up.

      From: welcome_hotel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:welcome_hotel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MARK CARPENTER
      Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:10 PM
      To: Bruce Majors

      Subject: [welcome_hotel] Re: GOP Want to "Reform" (Take Away) Class Action Suits: Bad Idea and Here's Why


      The company hadn't had a safety inspection since 1985, and had 13,500 times the safe amount of ammonium nitrate which could be stored at one site without an inspection.

      No matter: I'm sure that in your world, the deaths of 14 people can be justified because they might have voted Democratic; and an ammonium nitrate explosion is just so much FASTER than death by guillotine following one of your "citizens tribunals".

      I just wish you had been in one of the apartment buildings facing the tank of ammonium nitrate which exploded in West, Bruce. The world would be a MUCH happier place, today.

      Mark

      "I am trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous,
      kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
      Sometimes I am not all these things --but ten out of twelve isn't bad!"








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      From: Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@...>
      Sent: Wed, April 24, 2013 1:52:49 PM
      Subject: Re: GOP Want to "Reform" (Take Away) Class Action Suits: Bad Idea and Here's Why

      This company was regulated. Dick Stain's masters have run up trillions in debt regulating all aspects of life. That they fail at it just means we should exile them, take away their pensions, abolish taxes, and replace regulations with property rights and criminal trespass or fraud charges for those who disrespect them

      On Wednesday, April 24, 2013, MARK CARPENTER wrote:
      Good luck with the lawsuit. Given that Rick Perry has already established a no-fly zone over West so there's no change of negative publicity coming from the disaster scene (he did the same thing after Hurricane Ike); it won't take much for Perry and the Teahadists who control the Texas Legislature to enact legislation preventing the company owner (or any company owner who creates conditions resulting in a disaster) from being sued.

      After all, any Teahadist knows that ALL lawsuits against company owners or companies who create massive explosions resulting in loss of life and property, or who ruin essential natural resources like air and water are "frivolous" - right, Bruce?

      Mark

      "I am trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous,
      kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
      Sometimes I am not all these things --but ten out of twelve isn't bad!"








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      From: Richard Blaine <rblaine_1941@...>
      Sent: Wed, April 24, 2013 8:50:51 AM
      Subject: GOP Want to "Reform" (Take Away) Class Action Suits: Bad Idea and Here's Why
      Leave to republicans to do the bidding through the back door for business. Remember one of the 3 republican objectives is less or no regulations. VERY bad idea and this article demonstrates exactly what is wrong with that. A negligent company gets at least 14 people killed, dozens wounded, and apartments destroyed: why in hell would we want to allow such a negligent business to escape responsibility for their actions through class action "reform"? Remember, when republicans use the word 'REFORM' think double-speak and understand what they really mean is 'TAKE AWAY'. They want to take away your right to be involved in a class action suit, because as everyone who has ever been to court knows, little guys get crushed in America's tilted legal system.

      "The owner of a fertilizer plant that exploded last week killing 14 people and destroying dozens of homes and an apartment complex in a tiny Texas town is being sued by a single mom and by several insurance companies."
      Texas Fertilizer Plant Owner Sued After Deadly Explosion
      Reuters | By Jim Forsyth Posted: 04/23/2013 7:17 pm EDT


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      "The smallest minority on earth is the individual.
      Those who deny individual rights cannot claim
      to be defenders of minorities." - - Ayn Rand

      "The illusion of freedom [ in America ] will continue
      as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion.
      At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive
      to maintain, they will just take down the scenery,
      they will pull back the curtains, they will move the
      tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the
      brick wall at the back of the theater." ~ Frank Zappa

      --bob & lou
    • Bob Wynman
      Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@wynman.com) Ben, you claim that America is not a socialist state . Well, it s certainly not a
      Message 2 of 3 , Apr 24, 2013
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        Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) Ben, you claim that "America is not a socialist state". Well, it's certainly not a capitalist State You must be using a rather different definition for your term "socialist" than mine. Care to share that definition so that we might begin to understand what you're talking about?

        By definition, the US has been a Fabian Fascist Democracy for several decades.

        Ugly words, but I'm told that a "democracy" is where the subjects vote & the majority rules without limits, "fascist" means that the government allows subjects to own the means of production but the government bureaucrats, usually in partnership with corporations, control it by thousands of regulations & "Fabian" just refers to the method of creating the fascist democracy a little at a time, as was the military tactic of the Roman general.

        The parallels twixt the USG & the Fabian Fascist Democracy in pre-war Germany are quite ominous ... and getting ominouser daily.

        Seeing the obvious might qualify as hatred of my government ... never hatred of the country we both love. We must not let America sink back into the pre-Revolutionary concepts of the omnipotent state & the dependent subject.

        Ben, you claim that "America's regulations can be onerous, but they're not oppressive"??!?

        --They're oppressive enough to be DRIVING CREATIVITY, WEALTH, BRAINS AND THE JOBS THEY CREATE OUT OF THE COUNTRY OR OUT OF BUSINESS..

        Ben, you're certainly correct that "The jobs exist. Millions of them, in fact. Americans just aren't trained for them.". Steve Jobs discovered that and even consulted with Obama because of Job's concerns about the need to have his products built in China because he couldn't find the qualified tech people here. He erroneously believed that it was the State's job to train the techies he needed. what's needed is to get the State OUT of the education biz, out of the economy & out of our lives so that we're free to, as you say, prepare for changing times.

        Ben, you correctly state "You can have low unemployment in a highly regulated state".

        --Quite true. Many of our fine prisons boast very low unemployment rates. Hitler's Germany had near 100% employment, primitive societies have 100% employment, since it requires everyone to be "employed" just growing food, bring water, building and repairing mud huts, etc.

        It's not UNDER-EMPLOYMENT that's a problem to societies. 'twould be great to have much higher unemployment, as folks have less need to toil full time due to advanced technology. The problem is UNDER PRODUCTION. It's PRODUCTION, not EMPLOYMENT that creates the wealth. Get the State out of the way and creativity and productivity flourish.

        Ben, this was probably unintentional, but quite revealing: You state: "I would refer you to just about any politician on the globe for further reference along those lines."

        --Referring anyone to politicians for information about politics or the economy is a BIG error. You probably didn't really mean to admit that one, right?

        --bob
        -
        www.wynman.com

        Ben Joseph (rkelly_pleasedontpeeonme@...) Dear Bob,


        That's a woefully simplistic explanation, Bob.


        There is no "war on American jobs." America is not a socialist state. America's regulations can be onerous, but they're not oppressive.


        If regulations, taxation, or socialism explained the issue, then Denmark's socialist state should be on the brink of collapse. As it stands, their unemployment peaked at 2.9% during the Great Recession. Now it's around 2.1%.


        America is having a job problem because that's how capitalism works. Low-tech manufacturing, customer assistance, and basic product construction can be easily replicated in China, India, and Cambodia for a fraction of the price. Why wouldn't a company move their operations off-shore, that being the case?


        Mind you, that's not an argument against capitalism. Had we, as a SOCIETY, and not as a STATE, better prepared ourselves for the fact that the outsourcing trend hit, we wouldn't have been hit so hard by it.


        The jobs exist. Millions of them, in fact. Americans just aren't trained for them. Fix that and the problem goes away. (Along with the severity of the deficit issue since depressed revenue as a result of foregone tax dues due to high unemployment are what's driving that, too.)


        This back-and-forth about socialism misses the forest for the trees. You can have low unemployment in a socialist state. You can have low unemployment in a highly regulated state. But you can't have low unemployment when the society's only response to high unemployment is finger-pointing.


        I would refer you to just about any politician on the globe for further reference along those lines.


        That said, 3D manufacturing (along with the "rise of the rest") stands a chance of reversing the outsourcing trend, so it's entirely possible that Americans not only won't learn anything from this, but will somehow manage to maintain their economic superiority in spite of not recognizing the actual issue.


        God bless America!


        Sincerely,


        Ben

        Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) Your "War on American Jobs" IS BEING WAGED BY YOUR OUT-OF-CONTROL SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT AND ITS OPPRESSIVE REGULATIONS AND TAX THEFT THAT IS DRIVING CREATIVITY, WEALTH, BRAINS AND THE JOBS THEY CREATE OUT OF THE COUNTRY OR OUT OF BUSINESS.

        AND YOU CLAMOR FOR MORE TAXES AND REGULATION.

        ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT.

        --bob & lou

        Blame the Spamster aka Tricky Ricky WWP Member (rblaine@... ) Its even worse than the picture you paint.

        Reagan (pronounced 'raygun') fired the air traffic controllers in 1981 which signaled open hunting season on unions and workers. Many industries have acknowledged this was true. From there it became one attack after another on American workers. A huge outsourcing of the auto industry began - that was war on American jobs and our middle class. The vast majority of the textile industry was outsourced as was the electronics industry. That too was war on American jobs and our middle class.

        Congress began the practice of dishing out non-immigrant/TEMPORARY work visas where foreign labor came in and got jobs, while Americans were shown the door, but not before suffering the humiliation of training those foreign workers - that was war on American jobs and our middle class.

        In 2006 the GAO wrote a report documenting that businesses operating in America were NOT required to seek an American worker before hiring a foreign worker - a quasi indentured servant because his visa was directly tied to his job by his employer who sponsored the foreign worker, even though indentured servitude has been outlawed. Meanwhile workers over age 40 in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) fields continue to be laid off and remain so for years until they are deemed "unemployable" due to "not keeping up with current technology" - the standard smoke screens for hiring cheap/docile foreign labor over American talent - that too is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.

        Over the past few years there have been numerous articles documenting job ads specifically stating that the unemployed should NOT apply for a job opening. This clearly is discrimination and yet our government does nothing to prevent it - this is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.

        Meanwhile states with repubilcan governors all work towards implementing the ALEC (a marriage between legislators and big business) agenda to make states "right-to-work-for-less" states where unions are specifically under attack via a devious plan - this too is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.- this is war on American jobs and our declining middle class. /font>


        Since reagan pronounced open hunting season on American workers and unions wages have been in decline, spending has decreased, and the economy has been in the doldrums, which should be expected when our economy is 70% consumer spending and our middle class is in deep decline and with it discretionary spending.

        All these things can and should have been prevented and in fact were man made. All of this is the legacy of "St. Ronald Reagan".


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        "The smallest minority on earth is the individual.
        Those who deny individual rights cannot claim
        to be defenders of minorities." - - Ayn Rand

        "The illusion of freedom [ in America ] will continue
        as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion.
        At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive
        to maintain, they will just take down the scenery,
        they will pull back the curtains, they will move the
        tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the
        brick wall at the back of the theater." ~ Frank Zappa

        --bob & lou
      • Dennis Helbig
        Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@gmail.com) Rick has a valid point that Reagan was anti Zion yet supported Israel.
        Message 3 of 3 , Apr 25, 2013
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          Dennis Helbig WWP Member Baha'i investigator and carpenter (helbigdennis@...) Rick has a valid point that Reagan was anti Zion yet supported Israel.
          Tough on them and yet supportive. Too bad the policy didn't carry over to
          Americans. It was his policies which got Bush sr elected and were
          duplicated by Clinton with exception of the anti Zionist part. Both of the
          latter were pro Zionist union supporters, which is to say they preferred
          all Americans be held in captivity. Regan tried to free the slaves.

          Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) Your "War on American Jobs" IS BEING WAGED BY YOUR OUT-OF-CONTROL SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT AND ITS OPPRESSIVE REGULATIONS AND TAX THEFT THAT IS DRIVING CREATIVITY, WEALTH, BRAINS AND THE JOBS THEY CREATE OUT OF THE COUNTRY OR OUT OF BUSINESS.*
          **
          *AND YOU CLAMOR FOR MORE TAXES AND REGULATION.*
          **
          *ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT.*
          **
          *--bob & lou*
          **
          Trick Blame who plays the village idiot role in the WWP group (rblaine_1941@...) Its even worse than the picture you paint. Reagan (pronounced 'raygun') fired the air traffic controllers in 1981which signaled open hunting season on unions and workers. Many industries have acknowledged this was true. From there it became one attack after another on American workers. A huge outsourcing of the auto industry began - that was war on Americanjobs and our middle class. The vast majority of the textile industry was outsourced as was the electronics industry. That too was war on American jobs and our middle class.

          Congress began the practice of dishing out non-immigrant/TEMPORARY work visas where foreign labor came in and got jobs, while Americans were shown the door, but not before suffering the humiliation of training those foreign workers - that was war on American jobs and our middle class.

          In 2006 the GAO wrote a report documenting that businesses operating in America were NOT required to seek an American worker before hiring a foreign worker - a quasi indentured servant because his visa was directly tied to his job by his employer who sponsored the foreign worker, even though in dentured servitude has been outlawed. Meanwhile workers over age 40 in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) fields continue to be laid off and remain so for years until they are deemed "unemployable" due to "not keeping up with current technology" - the standard smoke screens for hiring cheap/docile foreign labor over American talent - that too is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.

          Over the past few years there have been numerous articles documenting job ads specifically stating that the unemployed should NOT apply for a job opening. This clearly is discrimination and yet our government does nothing to prevent it - this is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.

          Meanwhile states with repubilcan governors all work towards implementing the ALEC (a marriage between legislators and big business) agenda to make states "*right**-to-work-for**-less"* states where unions are specifically under attack via a devious plan - this too is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.- this is war on American jobs and our declining middle class.

          Since reagan pronounced open hunting season on American workers and unions wages have been in decline, spending has decreased, and the economy has been in the doldrums, which should be expected when our economy is 70% consumer spending and our middle class is in deep decline and with it discretionary spending.

          All these things can and should have been prevented and in fact were man made. All of this is the legacy of "St. Ronald Reagan".
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