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  • Bob Wynman
    Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@wynman.com) You are correct, Connor, capitalism must be regulated in order to survive. In the free market
    Message 1 of 7 , Apr 19, 2013
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      Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) You are correct, Connor, capitalism must be regulated in order to survive. In the free market it's regulated by the market; it's self-regulating. Every transaction is purely voluntary; if both parties do not win, the transaction does not happen. If a business fails to offer goods/services that buyers value, it quits doing that business. Free of the interference of the coercive State, capitalism is self-regulating and self-perpetuating.

      --bob & lou

      Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@...) This also pretty much explains why most republican's ideas about "free market" capitalism are so non reality based. Capitalism must be regulated by the government for it to survive. Unregulated, or poorly regulated capitalism destroys itself.

      Thomas Montague Hall Esq. aka Automatic Lie Oligopolist member of the State Bar of California Monopoly (AudioLaw@...) Capitalism is a favorite term for Galambist redefinition. Galamboids and Randists always say that it is improper to look at what real world capitalists do, when trying to define "capitalism". Instead, they say, we should use a fairy tale definition that has no foundation in the real world of business, but that ultimately justifies and excuses every action any "capitalist" anywhere ever takes;
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      The first condition for the establishment of perpetual peace is, of course, the general adoption of the principles of laissez-faire capitalism.

      - Ludwig von Mises, The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science [1962]

      The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.

      -- Winston Churchill

      --bob & lou
    • Conner2or@...
      Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@aol.com) The word for this statement is.....................naive. Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member
      Message 2 of 7 , Apr 20, 2013
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        Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@...) The word for this statement is.....................naive.

        Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) You are correct, Connor, capitalism must be regulated in order to survive.
        In the free market it's regulated by the market; it's self-regulating.
        Every transaction is purely voluntary; if both parties do not win, the
        transaction does not happen. If a business fails to offer goods/services that
        buyers value, it quits doing that business. Free of the interference of
        the coercive State, capitalism is self-regulating and self-perpetuating.

        --bob & lou
      • Algae5636@...
        Al J WWP Email Member and Baha i(Algae5636@aol.com ) Lol. For capitalism to be self-regulating, the capitalists-- young and old, male and female-- and they
        Message 3 of 7 , Apr 20, 2013
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          Al J WWP Email Member and Baha'i(Algae5636@... ) Lol.
          For capitalism to be self-regulating, the capitalists-- young and old, male and female-- and they would have to be uniformly devoted to the process of self-regulation, and they ain't. They worship "freedom".

          Capitalists work very hard and ingeniously at figuring out what they can get away with despite beingregulated. And they deny they have any social responsibility whatsoever for the collateral damage of their attempts to make a profit.

          And every transaction being purely voluntary is a pipe dream. When people need stuff they don't have, like food, who they choose to get it from may be voluntary, but they have to get it from someone.

          :-)

          Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) You are correct, Connor, capitalism must be regulated in order to survive. In the free market it's regulated by the market; it's self-regulating. Every transaction is purely voluntary; if both parties do not win, the transaction does not happen. If a business fails to offer goods/services that buyers value, it quits doing that business. Free of the interference of the coercive State, capitalism is self-regulating and self-perpetuating.

          Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@...) This also pretty much explains why most republican's ideas about "free market" capitalism are so non reality based. Capitalism must be regulated by the government for it to survive. Unregulated, or poorly regulated capitalism destroys itself.
        • Advanced Studies
          advancedstudiesca@gmail.com WWP Member *Capitalism ... the free market ... is regulated through hundreds of millions of people making billions of individual
          Message 4 of 7 , Apr 20, 2013
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            advancedstudiesca@... WWP Member *Capitalism ... the free market ... is regulated through hundreds of millions of people making billions of individual decisions per day. Not even IBM's biggest and fastest supercomputer could possibly keep up with that kind of dynamics to regulate the market. The more government interferes ... the more complicated, costly and slower the decision making process becomes. Kings and kingdoms ... dictators and impoverished nations can work, for a time, in small areas ... few people to regulate and control; but, eventually, even those small populations rise up and overthrow centralized governments.*
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            *Give it up you leftwing, socialist, communist, Marxist pigs ... it doesn't work! Never has ... never will ...*

            Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@...) The word for this statement is.....................*naive*.

            Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) You are correct, Connor, capitalism must be regulated in order to survive. In the free market it'**s regulated by the market; it's self-regulating. Every transaction is purely voluntary; if both parties do not win, the transaction does not happen. If a business fails to offer goods/services that buyers value, it quits doing that business. Free of the interference of the coercive State, capitalism is self-regulating and self-perpetuating.*
          • audiolaw@...
            Automatic Lie, a liberty loathing loony lowdown larcenous litigious little ol LA living lying lightfooted liberal lawyer lacking legitimacy (AudioLaw@aol.com)
            Message 5 of 7 , Apr 20, 2013
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              Automatic Lie, a liberty loathing loony lowdown larcenous litigious little'ol LA living lying lightfooted liberal lawyer lacking legitimacy (AudioLaw@...) Retarded Studies:

              I suppose that if you're correct that not even the fastest
              supercomputers can keep up with market dynamics, then you have established that it is IMPOSSIBLE to logically support the claim that government action interferes with market in the ways you assert.

              Your position on government involvement, unprovable by even the
              fastest supercomputer, is nothing more than a claim based on your desire to profit without government protecting the victims of your business.


              advancedstudiesca@... WWP Member Not even IBM's biggest and fastest supercomputer could possibly keep up with that kind of dynamics to regulate the market. The more government interferes ... the more complicated, costly and slower the decision-making process becomes.
            • Conner2or@...
              Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@aol.com) Advanced, this is a good argument against Communism if you replaced the word regulate with the word control .
              Message 6 of 7 , Apr 20, 2013
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                Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@...) Advanced, this is a good argument against Communism if you replaced the
                word "regulate" with the word "control". Actually, the free market is easily regulated, when you realize that regulation is simply setting up the rules by which the market functions. Without regulation, the free market quickly turns into a group of monopolies that produce poor quality goods (no competition) at exaggerated prices. It's not supposed to work that way, and classical economics, written in the 18th century talks about "invisible hands" etc., but in real life, money and power set the rules. And those rules benefit those who have the money and the power.

                advancedstudiesca@... WWP Member Capitalism ... the free market ... is regulated through hundreds of millions of people making billions of individual decisions per day. Not even IBM's biggest and fastest supercomputer could possibly keep up with that kind of dynamics to regulate the market.
              • Ben Joseph
                Ben Joseph (rkelly_pleasedontpeeonme@yahoo.com)Dear Advanced, Pardon me, but you appear to be equivocating.  You ve forgotten the excluded middle. The two
                Message 7 of 7 , May 1, 2013
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                  Ben Joseph (rkelly_pleasedontpeeonme@...)Dear Advanced,

                  Pardon me, but you appear to be equivocating.  You've forgotten the excluded middle.

                  The two options aren't "full-blown Stalinism" and "heroically-pure capitalism."  (Square quotes, not quote-quotes.)

                  America's economy, like that of many developed nations, is a "mixed-market economy."  It differs from socialism in that the American government has no actual control over the means of production.  It doesn't actually produce anything.

                  I agree that capitalism, even pure capitalism (as opposed to mixed-market capitalism), is self-regulating.

                  Sincerely,

                  Ben

                  advancedstudiesca@... WWP Member *Capitalism ... the free market ... is regulated through hundreds of millions of people making billions of individual decisions per day. Not even IBM's biggest and fastest supercomputer could possibly keep up with that kind of dynamics to regulate the market. The more government interferes ... the more complicated, costly and slower the decision making process becomes. Kings and kingdoms ... dictators and impoverished nations can work, for a time, in small areas ... few people to regulate and control; but, eventually, even those small populations rise up and overthrow centralized governments.*
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                  *Give it up you leftwing, socialist, communist, Marxist pigs ... it doesn't work! Never has ... never will ...*

                  Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@...) The word for this statement is.....................*naive*.
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