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Taxation Is not "Sharing"

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  • audiolaw@...
    Automatic Lie, a loony lowdown larcenous litigious little ol LA living lying lightfooted liberal lawyer lacking legitimacy (AudioLaw@aol.com) It s interesting
    Message 1 of 4 , Apr 19, 2013
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      Automatic Lie, a loony lowdown larcenous litigious little'ol LA living lying lightfooted liberal lawyer lacking legitimacy (AudioLaw@...) It's interesting to read an Ayn Rand worshipper pretend to be concerned with "moral concepts". Anyone familiar with Rand knows that she hated the concept of "morality". She called Christianity and its values "EVIL". She preached that the only worthy "value" was individual greed.

      Bob Wynman worships Ayn Rand and Andrew Galambos, apparently as
      co-equal gods in his universe. Galambos taught that it was always preferable to lie than to tell the truth. A core sacrament in Galambism is the process of redefining common words, with the express intent of misleading people, to increase the profit of the person doing the misleading. For examples:

      Scientific Method is a practice for testing scientific theories. The definition and requirements of the Scientific Method are accepted by scientists around the world. But Galambos taught that the phrase Scientific Method should be used by his priests with an entirely new meaning - a meaning that completely eliminated objective, independent testing of evidence. Under the Galamboid definition, Scientific Method is the system of rejecting any
      conflicting evidence and ratifying whatever theory the Galambist wants to "confirm";

      Capitalism is a favorite term for Galambist redefinition. Galamboids and Randists always say that it is improper to look at what real world capitalists do, when trying to define "capitalism". Instead, they say, we should use a fairy tale definition that has no foundation in the real world of business, but that ultimately justifies and excuses every action any "capitalist" anywhere ever takes;

      Theft is another term that Galaboids torture away from its standard
      meaning. Just by saying that "taxes are theft", Galamboids eliminate any discussion of social compacts, governmental structures or anything else that they don't like.

      If one takes away the Galamboid redefinitions of ordinary terms, and returns to original defintions, both Galambism and Randism completely collapse as fantasy concepts, with no factual or logical support.

      Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...)

      Voluntary sharing and charity, assuming that it's deserved and actually helps as intended, can be a beautiful and rewarding experience.

      Theft, OTOH, can NEVER be a moral concept and nothing positive can come of it. Notice how the theft-based "welfare" programs and "War on Poverty" create more poverty, destroy families & lock generations of victims into lives of suffering and lack of self-respect & how theft based "foreign aid" creates more dictators and poverty and serfdom abroad.

      Taxation is NOT "sharing".
    • Conner2or@...
      Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@aol.com) This also pretty much explains why most republican s ideas about free market capitalism are so non reality based.
      Message 2 of 4 , Apr 19, 2013
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        Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@...) This also pretty much explains why most republican's ideas about "free market" capitalism are so non reality based. Capitalism must be regulated by the government for it to survive. Unregulated, or poorly regulated capitalism destroys itself.

        Automatic Lie, a liberty loathing loony lowdown larcenous litigious little'ol LA living lying lightfooted liberal lawyer lacking legitimacy (AudioLaw@...) Capitalism is a favorite term for Galambist redefinition. Galamboids and Randists always say that it is improper to look at what real world capitalists do, when trying to define "capitalism". Instead, they say, we should use a fairy tale definition that has no foundation in the real world of business, but that ultimately justifies and excuses every action any "capitalist" anywhere ever takes;
      • Robin Crane
        Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@gmail.com) Capitalism is an economic form. Representative democracy is a governmental form. They have to balance. When
        Message 3 of 4 , Apr 20, 2013
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          Robin Crane WWP Invitee (patriot451@...) Capitalism is an economic form. Representative democracy is a governmental
          form. They have to balance. When one completely controls the other, we have tyranny.

          That's what we are coming to, perhaps almost become, and Republicans are the biggest reason. Their worship of capitalism, which is an amoral system that perpetrates myriad immoral actions, is absurd. They think only government can ever be "Big Brother," without understanding that corporations ARE "Big Brother," and need to be checked.

          *Robin Crane*



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          “If there is no struggle, there is no progress. This struggle may be a
          moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and
          physical, but it must be a struggle. Find out just what any people will
          quietly submit to — and you have found out the exact measure of injustice
          and wrong, which will be imposed upon them. . . . Power concedes nothing
          without a demand. It never did and it never will.”

          Frederick Douglass, August 3, 1857

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          Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@...) This also pretty much explains why most republican's ideas about "free market" capitalism are so non reality based. Capitalism *must be regulated* by the government for it to survive. Unregulated, or poorly regulated capitalism destroys itself.

          Thomas Montague Hall Esq. aka Automatic Lie Oligopolist member of the State Bar of California Monopoly (AudioLaw@...) Capitalism is a favorite term for Galambist redefinition. Galamboids and Randists always say that it is improper to look at what real world capitalists do, when trying to define "capitalism". Instead, they say, we should use a fairy tale definition that has no foundation in the real world of business, but that ultimately justifies and excuses every action any "capitalist" anywhere ever takes;
        • Ben Joseph
          Ben Joseph (rkelly_pleasedontpeeonme@yahoo.com) Dear Conner, You wrote:   This also pretty much explains why most republican s ideas about free market
          Message 4 of 4 , Apr 30, 2013
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            Ben Joseph (rkelly_pleasedontpeeonme@...) Dear Conner,



            You wrote:  "This also pretty much explains why most republican's ideas about "free market" capitalism are so non reality based."



            Me:  Well, the fact that their ideologies are completely contradictory is what does the trick.  We don't even have to try "pure capitalism" to know that the Republicans can't be right.

            You can't call yourself a crusader for capitalism and then oppose the free movement of labor (i.e., "illegal" immigration).



            You wrote:  "Capitalism must be regulated by the government for it to survive. Unregulated, or poorly regulated capitalism destroys itself."



            Me:  Eh...  No, not really.

            Ultimately, even pure capitalism is self-regulating.  The reason Keynesian economics became so popular is because for a purely capitalistic system to work out all the kinks on its own requires a lot of time.  The bigger busts last as long as the Great Depression.  With no external monetary injection into the private sector, years of production potential could be lost due to the time it takes for capitalism to self-regulate.  People who drop out of the labor force too early may be excluded until it's time for them to die or retire.  The loss of income for some people ultimately means the inability to adjust their skills to an economy which is always changing.  Ultimately, the several issues which occur in capitalism's inevitable busts, if left completely unchecked, limit the economic potential of the country and lower living standards.  These losses accumulate and some countries don't ever fully recover from its effects.  The entire continent of
            Africa is a perfect example.  Its economic desolation was centuries ago and to this day it hasn't fully recovered.

            Personally, I favor a freer economic system than we have, but I also favor a stronger social safety net so that the inevitable "losers" can bounce back and we can thereby reduce the amount of economic potential lost due to cyclical economic events.  It would also have the benefit, if done properly, of almost entirely eliminating structural unemployment.

            Sincerely,

            Ben


            Conner 2 WWP Member (Conner2or@...) This also pretty much explains why most republican's ideas about "free market" capitalism are so non reality based. Capitalism must be regulated by the government for it to survive. Unregulated, or poorly regulated capitalism destroys itself.

            Automatic Lie, a liberty loathing loony lowdown larcenous litigious little'ol LA living lying lightfooted liberal lawyer lacking legitimacy (AudioLaw@...) Capitalism is a favorite term for Galambist redefinition. Galamboids and Randists always say that it is improper to look at what real world capitalists do, when trying to define "capitalism". Instead, they say, we should use a fairy tale definition that has no foundation in the real world of business, but that ultimately justifies and excuses every action any "capitalist" anywhere ever takes;
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