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Chesterton & Rand on Capitalism

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  • Bob Wynman
    Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@wynman.com) Rand had a rather different view of capitalism, as did Galambos: Capitalism is a social
    Message 1 of 2 , Apr 3 11:51 PM
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      Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) Rand had a rather different view of capitalism, as did Galambos:

      "Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.
      The recognition of individual rights entails the banishment of physical force from human relationships: basically, rights can be violated only by means of force. In a capitalist society, no man or group may initiate the use of physical force against others. The only function of the government, in such a society, is the task of protecting man’s rights, i.e., the task of protecting him from physical force; the government acts as the agent of man’s right of self-defense, and may use force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use; thus the government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of force under objective control.



      “What Is Capitalism?”
      Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 19 "



      --bob & lou

      J. Keen Holland WWP Email Member and Construction Equipment Owner (OldPolitico@...) G.K. Chesterton had a rather similar assessment of capitalism. He said the question was not whether the perpetuation of capitalism could be engineered but how soon its inability to stand would be apparent.

      The death of communism started as soon it was put into actual practice and people could see the inevitable results



      Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...)
      RE: "You are living under socialism and capitalism."

      --Well, Shady, yeah, sorta. The "mixture of socialism & capitalism" ("mixed economy") under which we & the rest of the subjects of the "major countries" are living must not be confused with capitalism,

      RE: "All in all, it works well."

      --Yes, it works well for the politicians of the State and the friends with whom they share the stolen loot. And yes, it works "well" for the masses who notice that they're better off than their grandparents in the area of better refrigerators, TeeVees, computers, jet airplanes, etc. (the benefits of the technological progress made possible by the relative freedom created by Paine's American Revolution).

      However, relative to the unimaginable quality of life, the enduring peace, prosperity and freedom of the Voluntary Society, our present Fabian Fascist Democracy, with its perpetual war, poverty and servitude is not "working well" at all.

      RE: " There are about 12 communist left in the whole world and the youngest is 109 year old."

      --There are considerably more & considerably younger & many of them are comfortably ensconced as professors in US universities, quietly indoctrinating our young people with the destructive ideologies of altruism/collectivism. The results of their activities can be seen all around us, particularly in DC & other haunts of statist thugs.

      RE: "The death of communism started when the Berlin wall came down and the USSR was broken into little bittie pieces"

      --Naah, that stuff was near the end. The death of communism started as soon it was put into actual practice and people could see the inevitable results: famine, starvation, death, suffering, murder, etc.. And yet, it took 70 years of observation before those folks in the USSR finally had enough.

      And, Shady, the Fascist Democracy of the present USA is not a big improvement overt communism. The whole left-wing/right-wing BS is a false alternative; both wings of the same tyrannical coercive Statist bird.

      "Left wing" (& "liberals", "democrats") leads to communism (Marx I--read the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto, 1848, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto).

      "Right wing" (& "conservatives", "republicans") leads to corporate fascism (Marx II--read "Das Kapital", 1867, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital)

      The myth that they're the only alternatives and that they're opposites, or even significantly different, has been successfully embedded into most American brains by 4-5 generations of State-controlled schools and media; the same mechanism that has caused folks to believe that their government = their country and that their only choice for health is drugs vs. surgery.

      The Liberals' "War on Poverty" and the Conservatives' "War on Drugs" are both disastrous parts of the State's War on Freedom.

      Check the Shortest Quiz, http://www.theadvocates.org
    • Algae5636@...
      Al J WWP Email Member and Baha i(Algae5636@aol.com ) Rofl. Rand s definition begins by saying capitalism is a social system (Orwell is smiling down on that
      Message 2 of 2 , Apr 6 1:18 PM
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        Al J WWP Email Member and Baha'i(Algae5636@... ) Rofl.
        Rand's definition begins by saying capitalism is a "social system" (Orwell is smiling down on that bit of doublespeak :-).
        I guess that over-reaching misrepresentation makes some sense coming from a refugee from a country that tried and failed to force communism to be a complete social system.
        That doesn't make it any the less false and misleading, however.

        Capitalism is not a social system.
        It's only a way of doing business.
        :-)


        Randist Bo7b aka Bob Wynman WWP Email Member (bobalou@...) Rand had a rather different view of capitalism, as did Galambos:

        "Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.
        The recognition of individual rights entails the banishment of physical force from human relationships: basically, rights can be violated only by means of force. In a capitalist society, no man or group may initiate the use of physical force against others. The only function of the government, in such a society, is the task of protecting man’s rights, i.e., the task of protecting him from physical force; the government acts as the agent of man’s right of self-defense, and may use force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use; thus the government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of force under objective control.

        “What Is Capitalism?”
        Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 19 "
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