- Om Savitre Namaha
>You're going to be OY here...oy! Lol.>>LOL - that's fine. I am usedto Ooi!! in any case.
> OY: Yes! certainly there are cycles of karma (samsara) perpertuatedby leela (play) and maya (illusion). This only happen with kala
(time/space) and within the 3rd dimensional world where time is
constant. As you say one can go backwards, sort of spiritually
degress in this process. The term I use for this .. " falling into
> AZ: I cant think of the words for it to save me but by what I meantabove was the cycle of the jiva (soul/psyche) begins by 'going
toward' the world and then the 'turning away from the world' giving
up attachments and so forth. That is not to say that in the initial
stages of the trying to let go some dont fall back because its very
difficult to let go of some things.>
Perhaps you mean "pratipaksa-bhavanam", a Patanjali Yogic technique
for weakening or removing klesha used when experiencing bondage
(badhane) due to vitarka (thoughts of violence, etc). As these 5
kleshas [avidya (ignorance), asmita (I-am-ness, the sense of oneself
as a concrete individual), raga (attraction), dvesha (aversion), and
abhinivesha (clinging to life)] must be mastered before deeper level
of meditation can take place, the jiva will have to endure
the 'cycle' you decribed.
> AZ: I meant the INO. I know of the men you mention here and I dolike them better. I'd love to meet up with you and Shambhalanath but
I'm in the US :-b Lokanath has a great site - definitely top form
there! I congratulate Shambhalanath on his attitude because SOMEthing
needs changing there.> I agree. DMK is one of the nicest guy I
have 'met'. You know that his 'Modern Sex Magic' is a great resource
for ceremonial magicians.
> OY: We are microcosmic ITs'.MUST confront. There is no escaping that.>
> AZ: Well put :)> Thanks
> OY: There is also the darker side to IT that we as moratal beings
> AZ: This is true and that is why I so love the tantrik traditionbecause it recognises that it's all the same and there is no divisive
Yes, absolutely. I was discussing some tantrik rituals and DMK made
this interesting comment. I quote, "Fascinating. I have heard from
some friends who have been to India that when you mention "Tantra"
there, most people equate it not with sex (as here in the U.S.), but
with "Witchcraft and Black Magic." What you saw certainly seems to go
along with that." To me Tantra equates to Chaos Magic. This is why I
believe that one should learn from many teachers and don't be tied
down to any particular school of thoughts. I know this is hard for
the fundi-witches!!.. but seriously all one can do is get to know the
adi-guru. And once the aspirant enters the doorway of 'yoni', be it
the sri-chakra format of 9 'yonis' or the kundalini method, there is
passage way that can be very challenging. This is why mastering the
kleshas is important. One who has mastered these by senses is called
a nath (lord of the 5 senses). There are numerous pathways to
these 'control of senses' within the yoga traditions. The Patanjali
Yoga sutras is worth a serious look as it suggest many procedures to
awaken the psychic powers (shakti) within one.
> OY: The preya and pre-laya (dissolution) happens only in 'Time'within the 3rd dimension. 'Time slots' at the 4th allows jiva to
enter any 'time-frames'. Technically one can be born into the past or
the future. There are greater dept to this line of discussion which I
dare not venture into at this stage.>
> AZ: OK! This always puzzled me. Now I have a clue to explorefurther. Thanks :)>
Please don't get me wrong I am quite happy to discuss these subjects
but the level of complexity may bore most of the members in this
list. However, I will suggest some serious options. In the Lalitha -
Tirupathi Sundari sutras it is said in one stanza that, "From NOTHING
comes Gods and Gods are absorbed into the NOTHING" . It is important
that I make a clariication on the meaning of Gods within Tantrik
concepts. God is both male and female. The 'source' is male and
the 'power' is female. The soul is therefore a male-female= a deva.
This differential is only for the 3rd dimension. The duality vanishes
beyond Kala. Hence getting to know Kali as "Destroyer of Kala" via
the 10 Maha-vidyas can help. The other process which I quite like and
am pondering at present is the Sri-vidya traditions. Lokanath is the
expert in this area and I understand that he is writing a book on
that. One format of Sri-yantra is a 3 dimensional aspect of 9
triangles. This is a very powerful tool in understanding the cosmos.
There are others more complex to understand. DMK decribes this in one
of his emails, I quote. " .. Another example is on the previous page
where it is talking about the 10 red triangles. It says, "This is the
inner ten-cornered figure which is presided over by the powers of
protection. It then gives those ten powers, but it doesn't say which
of them is associated with which triangle... " ... and... " In the
space between the eight-edged figure and the inverted triangle are
situated the dyudha devatas, the deities presiding over the weapons
of the Divine Mother. The weapons are pasa noose, ankusa goad,
ikusukodanda the sugar-cane bow and bana the five arrows." ... and "
I have a source which gives the following Yoginis: Kamakarsini,
Buddhyakarsini, Ahankarakarsini, Sparshakarsini, Rupakarsini,
Rasakarsini, Ghandakarsini, Cittakarsini, Dhairyakarsini,
Smrtyakarsini, Namakarsini, Namakarsini, Bijakarsini, Atmakarsini,
Amrtakarsini, Sarirakarsini .. "
You can see from this that this is a very complex subject to focus
on. There is a SriVidya yahoogroup worth considering as they explore
these area in detail.
The other aspect worth discussing at this point is the mantra. Esp.
the Gayatri which is associated with the Sri-Yantra. This mantra can
also elevate the aspirant into the 'cosmos' and to gain first hand
knowledge from the akashic records. You may know that there are 3
aspects to Gayatri - I quote - Three forms of Gayatri- Three forms of
Gayatri are shown as per the difference of morning, afternoon and
evening. In the morning Gayatri is meditated in the form of virgin,
Brahmaroopa. In the afternoon she is worshipped as a young lady and
in the evening. She is worshipped as an old lady.
I think I will leave it at that..
> AZ: Again thanks for the clarification. Rather than having beenborn as everyone might it not be that we have thru the subtle senses
and our akashic memories access to the whole of existence (past,
present and future) and can therefore experience lives of others?
Just a thought. We probably do experience life as every thing - every
sort of creature and 'non-sentient' lifeform. I think it is
Vimalananda (Aghori trilogy) who says that we need to go back and
experience these 'lesser' lifeforms because they are purer and closer
to the Source...like bacteria...through meditations. I dislike using
the term 'non-sentient' because everything has some form of the
universal consciousness (cit). I believe in soul-clusters myself -
had too many examples of it not to do so.> Yes. the Aghoris are
master adepts of vamamarga. They are true 'chaos magicians' Their
tradition is very very old.
- Hi Tish,
Yeah Kylie's email account appears to have been hacked. I'll switch
her settings for the time being until it's sorted.
Tim Hartridge <moderator>
On 01/07/2011, at 10:47 PM, Tish wrote:
> Anyone need some more Viagra *g*..
> Obviously Kylie thinks we pagans need a helping hand with some
> things..*g* as this is the 4th pagan group I have seen this viagra
> from her..
> More likely I think her address has been hacked..so Kylie if that
> be the case this is an alert for you
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