Re: [WitchesWorkshop] Magical Herbs
- Lawrie wrote:
> Hello happy peopleGreetings Lawrie...
> I was just wondering if you could help me with a few details
> regarding the acquisition of herbs and other plant material in
> What are some of the harder to attain herbs/plants?
> Is it best to have them fresh or is dried OK?
> Are there any Australian native alternatives for these harder to
> attain items?
> Where is the best place to purchase rare herbs in or around Sydney
> and if no suitable places, are there any web sites?
> Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
For living plants I use Herbalistics - http://www.herbalistics.com.au
(they even post to us over in Perth)
And for Australian alternatives try the Australian Bushfoods site and
forum - http://www.bushfood.net/
- Hi, Well covered, I have studied herbal medicine and wanted to mention something just to
add to the comment about using a dandelion to represent the sun etc. There is something
called the Doctrine of Signatures which, though to put it simply, was the way our ancestors
figured out how herbs worked, eg a wonderful little berry that is red and heart shaped,
works wonders for the heart.
I like the idea of going outside and observing nature in our own backyard and trying to
utilise what we have there for magical workings, I have been doing that for ages. Of course
I say all this, as always, at the risk of criticism, but I feel the longer I have been doing this
witchy stuff, the simpler it should and has gotten. Works for me. ;0)
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "Hania Trzaskowski" <chirinka@...> wrote:
> These questions are right up my alley :-)
> Quickly put - The biggest reason for restrictions of herbs, dried or
> live plant, if for 2 reasons a) illegal substances, restrictions due
> to Australian Law b) quarrantine
> Mostly due to the second reason. (i import some herbs from overseas,
> mainly from Peru - thus have had the 'pleasure' of dealing with
> quarrantine issues and other importation issues)
> To find out whether something is okay in Australia , and whether you
> can import it in or not (especially when buying something from
> overseas) go to the aqis (aust. Qurrantine) website and do a search.
> They will tell you what is allowed, not allowed, in what format, what
> plant parts, whether you need permits, etc etc.
> This is the address to the ICON search:
> #as to alternatives, esp. natives - it depends on whether you are
> using them medicinally or for magick. Medicinally, there are heaps of
> natives that can be used for all sorts of conditions and reasons. A
> lot of the knowledge is lost, but some of it is coming to the fore
> more and more.
> #As for magickal alternatives- well that depends on who you talk to,
> what 'books' they read, how puritanic they are, what herbal magick
> philosophy they follow, what herbal magick path they follow, etc. Find
> me a common herb that exists in most countries, and you will find an
> equal differing amounts of ways in which it is used and reasons for
> use. Just remember, that everyone opinion on this question is their
> opinion, and not the answer. That you can only answer for yourself
> really. how and why a papaya leaf is used in magick over in australia
> is different to how it is used in Melanesian islands, and different to
> how it is used in different areas of south america. ANd celtic neo
> pagans and those who follow modern 'herbal magick books' dont really
> recognize it at all, since it doesnt exactly grow along the british
> isles or anywhere in europe for that matter. its up to you.
> so here's my opinion on the subject: You dont have to use mandrake for
> every spell that calls for it. a fresh piece of plants that
> prepresents that energy you are working with to you is probably a lot
> better than some expensive 8 year old dried up shrilled little root
> you know little about and have little connection with.:-)
> * fresh or dried? It depends what it is used for. You will find that
> beyond the modern day magickal books - that herbal magick and herbal
> medicine is intimately connected, and that often it has been used two
> fold. Therefore, the decisions is based on the individual herb and how
> you are using it, each circumstance being totally individual. However,
> one thing I will add is that what is more important is the quality -
> both from medicinal and magickal perspectives. as[pects such as
> a) how it is grown. Self grown or by someone else? organically grown?
> biodynamic? grown according to some traditions? How the plant been
> grown around any set of rituals? if you grew it yourself, did you do
> any magical work with it during time of, for example, germination, etc?
> b) How is it harvested?
> c) if dried, how is it dried? processing?
> d) storage - how long has it been in storage? do you know? This is an
> important one when buying herbs from magickal stores. I have it on
> good authority that most magickal stores, when it comes to dried herbs
> loose - have got their stock often from wholefoods stores or health
> food stores that have herbs that have gone out of date. I know of 2 in
> Melbourne who source their herbs like this, and know that this happens
> in Sydney and Brisbane as well. If it isnt dated - don't buy it. I've
> known some herbs to be over 8 years old since they were harvested -
> aside from huge loss in medicinal properties - energetically they can
> be quite dead as well. Who cares how 'rare' or 'mysterious' it is or
> how mystical the name of it sounds, you are still better going outside
> and picking a dandelion flower to represent the sun, it's leaf for
> emotion /water based rites or it's root for banishment rituals - then
> you are using some ancient mystical crappy discoloured international
> fancy named piece of herb that has gone grey from long storage.
> Remember, just becasue it's common and doesnt have a fancy name, does
> not mean it's less valuable as a herb.
> e) is it allowed in the country? if it is a weed here, and it is
> banned by AQIS - then do you really want to work with something like
> that knowing it's seeds could be possibly harmful to our ecosystems?
> research it a bit - that is still classified as putting your energy
> into the thing :-)
> f)another thing to consider - esp with imported herbs - is that
> many/most have been GAS TREATED, IRRADIATED or HEAT TREATED. check
> AQIS ICON seqarch to find out what may happen to the herbs you buy.
> Best therefore to grow your own. If not, PLEASE check. Many magickal
> stores wiull not know this information and may just say 'yes its
> fine...'. Heat treament makes a herb very null & void of all
> properties, aside from symbolic. Irradiations can change its
> nutritional value and warp the energetic imprint of a herb. Gas
> treatment is relatively okay, its there to kill of nasty bugs and
> pests, but is used in pretty much EVERY root and bark stock that comes
> into this country. It may exhibit residue from the gas.
> I hope this helps.
> > I was just wondering if you could help me with a few details
> > regarding the acquisition of herbs and other plant material in
> > Australia.
> > What are some of the harder to attain herbs/plants?
> > Is it best to have them fresh or is dried OK?
> > Are there any Australian native alternatives for these harder to
> > attain items?
> > Where is the best place to purchase rare herbs in or around Sydney
> > and if no suitable places, are there any web sites?
> > Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
> > Regards
> > Lawrie
- Thank you for sharing Michelle. The Doctrine of Signatures forms the
basis of many things, including astrological. It is the basis of our
correspondences. And, you're right. Basic observations and
conversation with the entity/Diety/plant you are working with will
always work far better than anything else I have found.
--- In WitchesWorkshop@yahoogroups.com, "firewitch73"
>mention something just to
> Hi, Well covered, I have studied herbal medicine and wanted to
> add to the comment about using a dandelion to represent the sunetc. There is something
> called the Doctrine of Signatures which, though to put it simply,was the way our ancestors
> figured out how herbs worked, eg a wonderful little berry that isred and heart shaped,
> works wonders for the heart.backyard and trying to
> I like the idea of going outside and observing nature in our own
> utilise what we have there for magical workings, I have been doingthat for ages. Of course
> I say all this, as always, at the risk of criticism, but I feel thelonger I have been doing this
> witchy stuff, the simpler it should and has gotten. Works forme. ;0)