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Re: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of some user names , any ideas ?

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  • jckncks
    Thanks allot for that Marc. l ll give it a go. Seems pretty weird though that by the sounds of it l can t sort of just cancel the other names outright , get
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 30 4:06 PM
      Thanks allot for that Marc.
      l'll give it a go.
      Seems pretty weird though that by the sounds of it l can't sort of
      just cancel the other names outright , get them out of there
      completely and have to actually delete folders and things with the
      old name still on them.
      lf l got you right that is .
      What's wrong with these people designing something in such an un
      forgiving way , can't believe it.
      Trouble is to that l don't think l'd trust my PC abilities - lack
      off , to go through deleteing folders and crap on a brand new system .
      Made some bad moves like that in the past.
      Youknow if l can get rid of all that at anyrate , l think l'd like to
      trim Vista down and back to the XP style of doing things.
      To me you can't trust any of windows so called security anyway.
      With my XP l just had it completely straight through. No logging ons
      or windows controling or so called help with anything.
      Just a good firewall , anti virus and very thorough cleaners . Fought
      off and blocked must of beeen 100s of trojans and bad sights like
      that no problem .
      ls there a way to trim it all down and back to basics like XP ?

      l've only had it a week and 1/2 so haven't got to the finer points
      yet but l know so far all that side of things is just BS.
      The rest of it's good though , really like the new look and extra
      features. Not that there seems to be many apart from all the so
      called security rubbish .

      J



      --- In Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com, "Wagner, C.
      Marc" <mwagner@...> wrote:
      >
      > You should be able go into administrative tools (under control
      panel) and select computer manager. There you should be able to turn
      on the internal administartor's account. If there is none, you can
      create a new account called "Administrator" and give it administrator
      privileges. Once THAT account exists, you can log in under that
      account and delete the account with your name. When you delete it,
      you can delete all files and directories associated with it.
      >
      > Once you've done that, you can create any users under any username
      that you want. Beware, the username used to create the account is
      the one used to name directories. Once the account exists, you can
      change the common name and it will be displayed but not known to the
      system.
      >
      > Keep in mind that as long as there is a router between your
      computer and your broadband/DSL modem, and that you have a firewell
      running on your computer, you are pretty secure from snoopers.
      >
      > C. Marc Wagner
      > Services Development Specialist
      > UITS, Student Technology Centers
      > Indiana University, Bloomington
      > ==========
      > BlackBerry Enterprise Server
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
      <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com>
      > To: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
      <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Sun Apr 29 18:52:02 2007
      > Subject: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of some user names ,
      any ideas ?
      >
      > Hi guys , just joined. Thankfull to find the group to.
      >
      > l've got what's probably a very stupid question .
      > My girlfriend put my name into my new computor as user which l
      never do.
      > l don't trust anything windows sends out or the net these days so l
      > never call a computor anything eccept a string of letters.
      >
      > My name's coming up everywhere . All the folders, permissions ,
      hate to
      > think what it's sending out but it won't let me change it . The
      delete
      > box is like switched off or something and won't click .
      >
      > l did manage to get in a letter combo as user name but now it uses
      that
      > plus still puts my name at the end of it.And then has somehow found
      > another name for admin.
      > lt seemed to use the new letter combo as the user name and somehow
      left
      > the old one[ my name] as the computor name - or something like that
      > it's hard to tell but often uses both name .
      >
      > Yet there's only the admin' account, the guest account's switched
      off.
      > l want to wipe all names off and start again with just one admin
      > account and letter combo name for everything and that's it.
      >
      > How can l wipe the slate clean and start again ?
      >
      > Any help appreciated .
      > J.
      >
    • Wagner, C. Marc
      J To be sure, Microsoft made some peculiar choices when they moved some functions but from my experience, they actually improved quite a few things - IF the
      Message 2 of 6 , May 2, 2007
        J



        To be sure, Microsoft made some peculiar choices when they moved some
        functions but from my experience, they actually improved quite a few
        things - IF the experienced Windows XP geek can find them! One feature
        of Vista that is actually a safety feature is that Vista leaves the
        built-in Guest account and the Built-in Administrator account (if it
        even exists) disabled by default. The only time it will not let you
        delete an account is when you are deleting your only account with
        administrative privileges. This is an important safety feature NOT
        built-in to XP.



        As for directories. It's the user that knows too much that is the
        problem here. (Believe me, I know from experience!) By default, when
        you create a new user, Vista will use the name you type in as the system
        username. Any name changes you make after that are associated with the
        account but directories are not renamed. (If you know this up front,
        things will work great - if you don't, you will drive yourself nuts
        trying to change an existing account around. Better to just delete the
        existing account and start over.)



        As long as you use the defaults during account set up, only one (yes,
        just one) directory will be created and named the same as the username
        you assigned when you created the account. It will be located in
        "C:\Users" When you delete that account, you have the option to keep
        all the directories found under "C:\Users\{username}" or to keep them.
        I'd advise against keeping them - unless you need to copy data from them
        in the future. Don't try to rename and re-use them. (Windows XP/Vista
        keep an internal pointer to user folders. Two folders can have the same
        name but will have different internal pointers and are thus NOT
        interchangeable.)



        Lastly, people like us like to relocate our user folders to a partition
        other than the boot partition. There is a "right way" to do this and a
        "wrong way" and what you read in the trade publications is often the
        "wrong" way! Unfortunately, Microsoft's 27+ year commitment to backward
        compatibility causes geeks like us lots of problems. The result is a
        plethora of hidden files and links - some of which will cannot be moved
        without compromising system stability. Trying to move system-created
        user directories by hand is a guarantee for disaster - sooner or later.




        Under Windows XP, it was not clear which user folders could be moved
        safely and which ones could not. MS Vista gives you a BIG clue in the
        form of the "Location" tab found under each movable folder in
        "C:\Users\{username}". There are also lots of hidden folders under
        "C:\Users\{username}" but, from my experience, moving any of them is a
        recipe for disaster. None of them hold user-owned data anyway so best
        to just leave them alone.



        The safest way to relocate user directories is not very pretty but it
        works reliably. (Microsoft really needs to make it easier to just
        related the entire "C:\Users" folder to another partition. This would
        make the discussion irrelevant - but I haven't found a reliable way to
        do that.)



        Once the account is set up, login as that account. Then go into the
        folder "C:\Users\{username}". Right-click on each visible folder and
        look under "Properties" and then "Location" where you will find a
        "Move..." button. There you can specify a new location for that folder.
        You will need to do this with each folder for each user whose folders
        you wish to relocate. None of the obvious shortcuts to get these
        relocated are reliable because the OS doesn't realize that you have
        related everything unless you do so from within the user account itself.




        I am not saying that there are not other ways to do this - just that I
        haven't found them - but the tricks I have tried to do this "en masse"
        just do not work reliably. In the end, no matter where you move the
        visible folders in "C:\Users\{username}", you will need to retain
        "C:\Users\{username}" for those hidden folders which cannot be
        relocated. If you "un-hide" these folders, you will even notice they
        have no "Location" tab under properties - which is the big clue that you
        cannot just relocate these folders by hand.



        Could Vista be better about this? Sure! But, as it is, it is still
        better than it was under XP.



        Good luck!



        C. MARC WAGNER

        Services Development Specialist

        UITS, Student Technology Centers

        Indiana University, Bloomington



        Check Your Printing Allotment @ http://printing.stc.indiana.edu
        <blocked::http://printing.stc.indiana.edu/>



        From: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
        [mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
        jckncks
        Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:07 PM
        To: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of some user names , any
        ideas ?




        Thanks allot for that Marc.
        l'll give it a go.
        Seems pretty weird though that by the sounds of it l can't sort of
        just cancel the other names outright , get them out of there
        completely and have to actually delete folders and things with the
        old name still on them.
        lf l got you right that is .
        What's wrong with these people designing something in such an un
        forgiving way , can't believe it.
        Trouble is to that l don't think l'd trust my PC abilities - lack
        off , to go through deleteing folders and crap on a brand new system .
        Made some bad moves like that in the past.
        Youknow if l can get rid of all that at anyrate , l think l'd like to
        trim Vista down and back to the XP style of doing things.
        To me you can't trust any of windows so called security anyway.
        With my XP l just had it completely straight through. No logging ons
        or windows controling or so called help with anything.
        Just a good firewall , anti virus and very thorough cleaners . Fought
        off and blocked must of beeen 100s of trojans and bad sights like
        that no problem .
        ls there a way to trim it all down and back to basics like XP ?

        l've only had it a week and 1/2 so haven't got to the finer points
        yet but l know so far all that side of things is just BS.
        The rest of it's good though , really like the new look and extra
        features. Not that there seems to be many apart from all the so
        called security rubbish .

        J

        --- In Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
        <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com> , "Wagner, C.
        Marc" <mwagner@...> wrote:
        >
        > You should be able go into administrative tools (under control
        panel) and select computer manager. There you should be able to turn
        on the internal administartor's account. If there is none, you can
        create a new account called "Administrator" and give it administrator
        privileges. Once THAT account exists, you can log in under that
        account and delete the account with your name. When you delete it,
        you can delete all files and directories associated with it.
        >
        > Once you've done that, you can create any users under any username
        that you want. Beware, the username used to create the account is
        the one used to name directories. Once the account exists, you can
        change the common name and it will be displayed but not known to the
        system.
        >
        > Keep in mind that as long as there is a router between your
        computer and your broadband/DSL modem, and that you have a firewell
        running on your computer, you are pretty secure from snoopers.
        >
        > C. Marc Wagner
        > Services Development Specialist
        > UITS, Student Technology Centers
        > Indiana University, Bloomington
        > ==========
        > BlackBerry Enterprise Server
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
        <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
        <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
        <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com> >
        > To: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
        <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
        <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
        <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com> >
        > Sent: Sun Apr 29 18:52:02 2007
        > Subject: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of some user names ,
        any ideas ?
        >
        > Hi guys , just joined. Thankfull to find the group to.
        >
        > l've got what's probably a very stupid question .
        > My girlfriend put my name into my new computor as user which l
        never do.
        > l don't trust anything windows sends out or the net these days so l
        > never call a computor anything eccept a string of letters.
        >
        > My name's coming up everywhere . All the folders, permissions ,
        hate to
        > think what it's sending out but it won't let me change it . The
        delete
        > box is like switched off or something and won't click .
        >
        > l did manage to get in a letter combo as user name but now it uses
        that
        > plus still puts my name at the end of it.And then has somehow found
        > another name for admin.
        > lt seemed to use the new letter combo as the user name and somehow
        left
        > the old one[ my name] as the computor name - or something like that
        > it's hard to tell but often uses both name .
        >
        > Yet there's only the admin' account, the guest account's switched
        off.
        > l want to wipe all names off and start again with just one admin
        > account and letter combo name for everything and that's it.
        >
        > How can l wipe the slate clean and start again ?
        >
        > Any help appreciated .
        > J.
        >





        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • John.Koehler
        Excellent post Marc !!!!! Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) ... [mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com] ...
        Message 3 of 6 , May 2, 2007
          Excellent post Marc !!!!!

          Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          ;-)




          --- "Wagner, C. Marc" <mwagner@...> wrote:

          > J
          >
          >
          >
          > To be sure, Microsoft made some peculiar choices
          > when they moved some
          > functions but from my experience, they actually
          > improved quite a few
          > things - IF the experienced Windows XP geek can find
          > them! One feature
          > of Vista that is actually a safety feature is that
          > Vista leaves the
          > built-in Guest account and the Built-in
          > Administrator account (if it
          > even exists) disabled by default. The only time it
          > will not let you
          > delete an account is when you are deleting your only
          > account with
          > administrative privileges. This is an important
          > safety feature NOT
          > built-in to XP.
          >
          >
          >
          > As for directories. It's the user that knows too
          > much that is the
          > problem here. (Believe me, I know from experience!)
          > By default, when
          > you create a new user, Vista will use the name you
          > type in as the system
          > username. Any name changes you make after that are
          > associated with the
          > account but directories are not renamed. (If you
          > know this up front,
          > things will work great - if you don't, you will
          > drive yourself nuts
          > trying to change an existing account around. Better
          > to just delete the
          > existing account and start over.)
          >
          >
          >
          > As long as you use the defaults during account set
          > up, only one (yes,
          > just one) directory will be created and named the
          > same as the username
          > you assigned when you created the account. It will
          > be located in
          > "C:\Users" When you delete that account, you have
          > the option to keep
          > all the directories found under
          > "C:\Users\{username}" or to keep them.
          > I'd advise against keeping them - unless you need to
          > copy data from them
          > in the future. Don't try to rename and re-use them.
          > (Windows XP/Vista
          > keep an internal pointer to user folders. Two
          > folders can have the same
          > name but will have different internal pointers and
          > are thus NOT
          > interchangeable.)
          >
          >
          >
          > Lastly, people like us like to relocate our user
          > folders to a partition
          > other than the boot partition. There is a "right
          > way" to do this and a
          > "wrong way" and what you read in the trade
          > publications is often the
          > "wrong" way! Unfortunately, Microsoft's 27+ year
          > commitment to backward
          > compatibility causes geeks like us lots of problems.
          > The result is a
          > plethora of hidden files and links - some of which
          > will cannot be moved
          > without compromising system stability. Trying to
          > move system-created
          > user directories by hand is a guarantee for disaster
          > - sooner or later.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Under Windows XP, it was not clear which user
          > folders could be moved
          > safely and which ones could not. MS Vista gives you
          > a BIG clue in the
          > form of the "Location" tab found under each movable
          > folder in
          > "C:\Users\{username}". There are also lots of
          > hidden folders under
          > "C:\Users\{username}" but, from my experience,
          > moving any of them is a
          > recipe for disaster. None of them hold user-owned
          > data anyway so best
          > to just leave them alone.
          >
          >
          >
          > The safest way to relocate user directories is not
          > very pretty but it
          > works reliably. (Microsoft really needs to make it
          > easier to just
          > related the entire "C:\Users" folder to another
          > partition. This would
          > make the discussion irrelevant - but I haven't found
          > a reliable way to
          > do that.)
          >
          >
          >
          > Once the account is set up, login as that account.
          > Then go into the
          > folder "C:\Users\{username}". Right-click on each
          > visible folder and
          > look under "Properties" and then "Location" where
          > you will find a
          > "Move..." button. There you can specify a new
          > location for that folder.
          > You will need to do this with each folder for each
          > user whose folders
          > you wish to relocate. None of the obvious shortcuts
          > to get these
          > relocated are reliable because the OS doesn't
          > realize that you have
          > related everything unless you do so from within the
          > user account itself.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > I am not saying that there are not other ways to do
          > this - just that I
          > haven't found them - but the tricks I have tried to
          > do this "en masse"
          > just do not work reliably. In the end, no matter
          > where you move the
          > visible folders in "C:\Users\{username}", you will
          > need to retain
          > "C:\Users\{username}" for those hidden folders which
          > cannot be
          > relocated. If you "un-hide" these folders, you will
          > even notice they
          > have no "Location" tab under properties - which is
          > the big clue that you
          > cannot just relocate these folders by hand.
          >
          >
          >
          > Could Vista be better about this? Sure! But, as
          > it is, it is still
          > better than it was under XP.
          >
          >
          >
          > Good luck!
          >
          >
          >
          > C. MARC WAGNER
          >
          > Services Development Specialist
          >
          > UITS, Student Technology Centers
          >
          > Indiana University, Bloomington
          >
          >
          >
          > Check Your Printing Allotment @
          > http://printing.stc.indiana.edu
          > <blocked::http://printing.stc.indiana.edu/>
          >
          >
          >
          > From: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
          >
          [mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com]
          > On Behalf Of
          > jckncks
          > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:07 PM
          > To: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: Re: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of
          > some user names , any
          > ideas ?
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Thanks allot for that Marc.
          > l'll give it a go.
          > Seems pretty weird though that by the sounds of it l
          > can't sort of
          > just cancel the other names outright , get them out
          > of there
          > completely and have to actually delete folders and
          > things with the
          > old name still on them.
          > lf l got you right that is .
          > What's wrong with these people designing something
          > in such an un
          > forgiving way , can't believe it.
          > Trouble is to that l don't think l'd trust my PC
          > abilities - lack
          > off , to go through deleteing folders and crap on a
          > brand new system .
          > Made some bad moves like that in the past.
          > Youknow if l can get rid of all that at anyrate , l
          > think l'd like to
          > trim Vista down and back to the XP style of doing
          > things.
          > To me you can't trust any of windows so called
          > security anyway.
          > With my XP l just had it completely straight
          > through. No logging ons
          > or windows controling or so called help with
          > anything.
          > Just a good firewall , anti virus and very thorough
          > cleaners . Fought
          > off and blocked must of beeen 100s of trojans and
          > bad sights like
          > that no problem .
          > ls there a way to trim it all down and back to
          > basics like XP ?
          >
          > l've only had it a week and 1/2 so haven't got to
          > the finer points
          > yet but l know so far all that side of things is
          > just BS.
          > The rest of it's good though , really like the new
          > look and extra
          > features. Not that there seems to be many apart from
          > all the so
          > called security rubbish .
          >
          > J
          >
          > --- In
          > Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
          >
          <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
          > , "Wagner, C.
          > Marc" <mwagner@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > You should be able go into administrative tools
          > (under control
          > panel) and select computer manager. There you should
          > be able to turn
          > on the internal administartor's account. If there is
          > none, you can
          > create a new account called "Administrator" and give
          > it administrator
          > privileges. Once THAT account exists, you can log in
          > under that
          > account and delete the account with your name. When
          > you delete it,
          > you can delete all files and directories associated
          > with it.
          > >
          > > Once you've done that, you can create any users
          > under any username
          > that you want. Beware, the username used to create
          > the account is
          > the one used to name directories. Once the account
          > exists, you can
          > change the common name and it will be displayed but
          > not known to the
          > system.
          > >
          > > Keep in mind that as long as there is a router
          > between your
          > computer and your broadband/DSL modem, and that you
          > have a firewell
          > running on your computer, you are pretty secure from
          > snoopers.
          > >
          > > C. Marc Wagner
          > > Services Development Specialist
          > > UITS, Student Technology Centers
          > > Indiana University, Bloomington
          > > ==========
          > > BlackBerry Enterprise Server
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From:
          > Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
          >
          <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
          >
          > <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
          >
          <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
          > >
          > > To: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
          >
          <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
          >
          > <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
          >
          <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
          > >
          > > Sent: Sun Apr 29 18:52:02 2007
          > > Subject: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of
          > some user names ,
          > any ideas ?
          > >
          > > Hi guys , just joined. Thankfull to find the group
          > to.
          > >
          > > l've got what's probably a very stupid question .
          > > My girlfriend put my name into my new computor as
          > user which l
          > never do.
          > > l don't trust anything windows sends out or the
          > net these days so l
          > > never call a computor anything eccept a string of
          > letters.
          > >
          > > My name's coming up everywhere . All the folders,
          > permissions ,
          > hate to
          > > think what it's sending out but it won't let me
          > change it . The
          > delete
          > > box is like switched off or something and won't
          > click .
          > >
          > > l did manage to get in a letter combo as user name
          > but now it uses
          > that
          > > plus still puts my name at the end of it.And then
          > has somehow found
          > > another name for admin.
          > > lt seemed to use the new letter combo as the user
          > name and somehow
          > left
          > > the old one[ my name] as the computor name - or
          > something like that
          > > it's hard to tell but often uses both name .
          > >
          > > Yet there's only the admin' account, the guest
          > account's switched
          > off.
          > > l want to wipe all names off and start again with
          > just one admin
          > > account and letter combo name for everything and
          > that's it.
          > >
          > > How can l wipe the slate clean and start again ?
          > >
          > > Any help appreciated .
          > > J.
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been
          > removed]
          >
          >


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        • jckncks
          Nice one thanks Marc. Re - read what you said , printed it up, came in on the other setup computor , then last night had a tinker. Great stuff , got rid of it
          Message 4 of 6 , May 2, 2007
            Nice one thanks Marc.

            Re - read what you said , printed it up, came in on the other setup
            computor , then last night had a tinker.

            Great stuff , got rid of it all very cleanly , all gone .
            No more name anywhere or what seemed like sort of 1/2 of another
            second account in there, floating around .
            Just have the new clean admin account now as you said , spot on lets
            me do everything.
            Now that l've got that sorted out l don't think l mind having the
            account setup thing to tell you the truth . lt's a pretty slick set
            up really once l undid my mess , might be pretty handy in ways .

            Think l nearly had such a fit when l saw GF plastered my name
            everywhere, raced in in a panic and started zapping and changing it
            where ever l could before getting to know things. Bad move ofcause !

            It somehow ended up with the new computor name blended in with mine
            and no one in control because that upset the original admin account.
            Ahh , or somem like that. Something like what you've said .

            l don't mind Vista really . Not bad looking seems to roll along nice
            once everyones happy.
            A few intertangled things that'll never make much sense to me but ,
            it is windows afterall. Lots of waist to but you expect that.

            Over all though when people learn how to stream line it into what
            they like should be nice l think .

            Cheers and thanks again
            J






            --- In Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com, "Wagner, C.
            Marc" <mwagner@...> wrote:
            >
            > J
            >
            >
            >
            > To be sure, Microsoft made some peculiar choices when they moved
            some
            > functions but from my experience, they actually improved quite a few
            > things - IF the experienced Windows XP geek can find them! One
            feature
            > of Vista that is actually a safety feature is that Vista leaves the
            > built-in Guest account and the Built-in Administrator account (if it
            > even exists) disabled by default. The only time it will not let you
            > delete an account is when you are deleting your only account with
            > administrative privileges. This is an important safety feature NOT
            > built-in to XP.
            >
            >
            >
            > As for directories. It's the user that knows too much that is the
            > problem here. (Believe me, I know from experience!) By default,
            when
            > you create a new user, Vista will use the name you type in as the
            system
            > username. Any name changes you make after that are associated with
            the
            > account but directories are not renamed. (If you know this up
            front,
            > things will work great - if you don't, you will drive yourself nuts
            > trying to change an existing account around. Better to just delete
            the
            > existing account and start over.)
            >
            >
            >
            > As long as you use the defaults during account set up, only one
            (yes,
            > just one) directory will be created and named the same as the
            username
            > you assigned when you created the account. It will be located in
            > "C:\Users" When you delete that account, you have the option to
            keep
            > all the directories found under "C:\Users\{username}" or to keep
            them.
            > I'd advise against keeping them - unless you need to copy data from
            them
            > in the future. Don't try to rename and re-use them. (Windows
            XP/Vista
            > keep an internal pointer to user folders. Two folders can have the
            same
            > name but will have different internal pointers and are thus NOT
            > interchangeable.)
            >
            >
            >
            > Lastly, people like us like to relocate our user folders to a
            partition
            > other than the boot partition. There is a "right way" to do this
            and a
            > "wrong way" and what you read in the trade publications is often the
            > "wrong" way! Unfortunately, Microsoft's 27+ year commitment to
            backward
            > compatibility causes geeks like us lots of problems. The result is
            a
            > plethora of hidden files and links - some of which will cannot be
            moved
            > without compromising system stability. Trying to move system-
            created
            > user directories by hand is a guarantee for disaster - sooner or
            later.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Under Windows XP, it was not clear which user folders could be moved
            > safely and which ones could not. MS Vista gives you a BIG clue in
            the
            > form of the "Location" tab found under each movable folder in
            > "C:\Users\{username}". There are also lots of hidden folders under
            > "C:\Users\{username}" but, from my experience, moving any of them
            is a
            > recipe for disaster. None of them hold user-owned data anyway so
            best
            > to just leave them alone.
            >
            >
            >
            > The safest way to relocate user directories is not very pretty but
            it
            > works reliably. (Microsoft really needs to make it easier to just
            > related the entire "C:\Users" folder to another partition. This
            would
            > make the discussion irrelevant - but I haven't found a reliable way
            to
            > do that.)
            >
            >
            >
            > Once the account is set up, login as that account. Then go into the
            > folder "C:\Users\{username}". Right-click on each visible folder
            and
            > look under "Properties" and then "Location" where you will find a
            > "Move..." button. There you can specify a new location for that
            folder.
            > You will need to do this with each folder for each user whose
            folders
            > you wish to relocate. None of the obvious shortcuts to get these
            > relocated are reliable because the OS doesn't realize that you have
            > related everything unless you do so from within the user account
            itself.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > I am not saying that there are not other ways to do this - just
            that I
            > haven't found them - but the tricks I have tried to do this "en
            masse"
            > just do not work reliably. In the end, no matter where you move the
            > visible folders in "C:\Users\{username}", you will need to retain
            > "C:\Users\{username}" for those hidden folders which cannot be
            > relocated. If you "un-hide" these folders, you will even notice
            they
            > have no "Location" tab under properties - which is the big clue
            that you
            > cannot just relocate these folders by hand.
            >
            >
            >
            > Could Vista be better about this? Sure! But, as it is, it is
            still
            > better than it was under XP.
            >
            >
            >
            > Good luck!
            >
            >
            >
            > C. MARC WAGNER
            >
            > Services Development Specialist
            >
            > UITS, Student Technology Centers
            >
            > Indiana University, Bloomington
            >
            >
            >
            > Check Your Printing Allotment @ http://printing.stc.indiana.edu
            > <blocked::http://printing.stc.indiana.edu/>
            >
            >
            >
            > From: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
            > [mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
            > jckncks
            > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:07 PM
            > To: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: Re: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of some user
            names , any
            > ideas ?
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Thanks allot for that Marc.
            > l'll give it a go.
            > Seems pretty weird though that by the sounds of it l can't sort of
            > just cancel the other names outright , get them out of there
            > completely and have to actually delete folders and things with the
            > old name still on them.
            > lf l got you right that is .
            > What's wrong with these people designing something in such an un
            > forgiving way , can't believe it.
            > Trouble is to that l don't think l'd trust my PC abilities - lack
            > off , to go through deleteing folders and crap on a brand new
            system .
            > Made some bad moves like that in the past.
            > Youknow if l can get rid of all that at anyrate , l think l'd like
            to
            > trim Vista down and back to the XP style of doing things.
            > To me you can't trust any of windows so called security anyway.
            > With my XP l just had it completely straight through. No logging
            ons
            > or windows controling or so called help with anything.
            > Just a good firewall , anti virus and very thorough cleaners .
            Fought
            > off and blocked must of beeen 100s of trojans and bad sights like
            > that no problem .
            > ls there a way to trim it all down and back to basics like XP ?
            >
            > l've only had it a week and 1/2 so haven't got to the finer points
            > yet but l know so far all that side of things is just BS.
            > The rest of it's good though , really like the new look and extra
            > features. Not that there seems to be many apart from all the so
            > called security rubbish .
            >
            > J
            >
            > --- In Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
            > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%
            40yahoogroups.com> , "Wagner, C.
            > Marc" <mwagner@> wrote:
            > >
            > > You should be able go into administrative tools (under control
            > panel) and select computer manager. There you should be able to
            turn
            > on the internal administartor's account. If there is none, you can
            > create a new account called "Administrator" and give it
            administrator
            > privileges. Once THAT account exists, you can log in under that
            > account and delete the account with your name. When you delete it,
            > you can delete all files and directories associated with it.
            > >
            > > Once you've done that, you can create any users under any
            username
            > that you want. Beware, the username used to create the account is
            > the one used to name directories. Once the account exists, you can
            > change the common name and it will be displayed but not known to
            the
            > system.
            > >
            > > Keep in mind that as long as there is a router between your
            > computer and your broadband/DSL modem, and that you have a firewell
            > running on your computer, you are pretty secure from snoopers.
            > >
            > > C. Marc Wagner
            > > Services Development Specialist
            > > UITS, Student Technology Centers
            > > Indiana University, Bloomington
            > > ==========
            > > BlackBerry Enterprise Server
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
            > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
            > <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
            > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com> >
            > > To: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
            > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
            > <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
            > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com> >
            > > Sent: Sun Apr 29 18:52:02 2007
            > > Subject: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of some user names ,
            > any ideas ?
            > >
            > > Hi guys , just joined. Thankfull to find the group to.
            > >
            > > l've got what's probably a very stupid question .
            > > My girlfriend put my name into my new computor as user which l
            > never do.
            > > l don't trust anything windows sends out or the net these days so
            l
            > > never call a computor anything eccept a string of letters.
            > >
            > > My name's coming up everywhere . All the folders, permissions ,
            > hate to
            > > think what it's sending out but it won't let me change it . The
            > delete
            > > box is like switched off or something and won't click .
            > >
            > > l did manage to get in a letter combo as user name but now it
            uses
            > that
            > > plus still puts my name at the end of it.And then has somehow
            found
            > > another name for admin.
            > > lt seemed to use the new letter combo as the user name and
            somehow
            > left
            > > the old one[ my name] as the computor name - or something like
            that
            > > it's hard to tell but often uses both name .
            > >
            > > Yet there's only the admin' account, the guest account's switched
            > off.
            > > l want to wipe all names off and start again with just one admin
            > > account and letter combo name for everything and that's it.
            > >
            > > How can l wipe the slate clean and start again ?
            > >
            > > Any help appreciated .
            > > J.
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
          • jckncks
            - Hey Marc , Thank God l re- read something you said here. Those extra directories. They came up last night when l was trying to fix things . l thought it
            Message 5 of 6 , May 2, 2007
              -
              Hey Marc , Thank God l re- read something you said here.
              Those extra directories. They came up last night when l was trying to
              fix things .
              l 'thought' it was mainly associated with the account l was trying to
              get rid off and if l didn't kill it good , stuff would still be
              popping in and out all over the place .So l zapped it .
              Big panic - what if it didn't go through only to the recycle bin .
              Checked - wasn't there , big scare .
              But , everything seemed happy none the less and now reading this l
              understand what l did thankfully .

              lt was the one your talking about , wasn't much on it but it was all
              still related to the account l wanted gone but at the same time
              somehow twisted into the other one to.
              Anyway checked it again this morning . All gone completely no sign of
              the names or anything to do with it anywhere . She has just the one
              nice clean admin account associated with everything now .

              What a relief .
              Thanks again.










              -- In Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com, "Wagner, C.
              Marc" <mwagner@...> wrote:
              >
              > J
              >
              >
              >
              > To be sure, Microsoft made some peculiar choices when they moved
              some
              > functions but from my experience, they actually improved quite a few
              > things - IF the experienced Windows XP geek can find them! One
              feature
              > of Vista that is actually a safety feature is that Vista leaves the
              > built-in Guest account and the Built-in Administrator account (if it
              > even exists) disabled by default. The only time it will not let you
              > delete an account is when you are deleting your only account with
              > administrative privileges. This is an important safety feature NOT
              > built-in to XP.
              >
              >
              >
              > As for directories. It's the user that knows too much that is the
              > problem here. (Believe me, I know from experience!) By default,
              when
              > you create a new user, Vista will use the name you type in as the
              system
              > username. Any name changes you make after that are associated with
              the
              > account but directories are not renamed. (If you know this up
              front,
              > things will work great - if you don't, you will drive yourself nuts
              > trying to change an existing account around. Better to just delete
              the
              > existing account and start over.)
              >
              >
              >
              > As long as you use the defaults during account set up, only one
              (yes,
              > just one) directory will be created and named the same as the
              username
              > you assigned when you created the account. It will be located in
              > "C:\Users" When you delete that account, you have the option to
              keep
              > all the directories found under "C:\Users\{username}" or to keep
              them.
              > I'd advise against keeping them - unless you need to copy data from
              them
              > in the future. Don't try to rename and re-use them. (Windows
              XP/Vista
              > keep an internal pointer to user folders. Two folders can have the
              same
              > name but will have different internal pointers and are thus NOT
              > interchangeable.)
              >
              >
              >
              > Lastly, people like us like to relocate our user folders to a
              partition
              > other than the boot partition. There is a "right way" to do this
              and a
              > "wrong way" and what you read in the trade publications is often the
              > "wrong" way! Unfortunately, Microsoft's 27+ year commitment to
              backward
              > compatibility causes geeks like us lots of problems. The result is
              a
              > plethora of hidden files and links - some of which will cannot be
              moved
              > without compromising system stability. Trying to move system-
              created
              > user directories by hand is a guarantee for disaster - sooner or
              later.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Under Windows XP, it was not clear which user folders could be moved
              > safely and which ones could not. MS Vista gives you a BIG clue in
              the
              > form of the "Location" tab found under each movable folder in
              > "C:\Users\{username}". There are also lots of hidden folders under
              > "C:\Users\{username}" but, from my experience, moving any of them
              is a
              > recipe for disaster. None of them hold user-owned data anyway so
              best
              > to just leave them alone.
              >
              >
              >
              > The safest way to relocate user directories is not very pretty but
              it
              > works reliably. (Microsoft really needs to make it easier to just
              > related the entire "C:\Users" folder to another partition. This
              would
              > make the discussion irrelevant - but I haven't found a reliable way
              to
              > do that.)
              >
              >
              >
              > Once the account is set up, login as that account. Then go into the
              > folder "C:\Users\{username}". Right-click on each visible folder
              and
              > look under "Properties" and then "Location" where you will find a
              > "Move..." button. There you can specify a new location for that
              folder.
              > You will need to do this with each folder for each user whose
              folders
              > you wish to relocate. None of the obvious shortcuts to get these
              > relocated are reliable because the OS doesn't realize that you have
              > related everything unless you do so from within the user account
              itself.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > I am not saying that there are not other ways to do this - just
              that I
              > haven't found them - but the tricks I have tried to do this "en
              masse"
              > just do not work reliably. In the end, no matter where you move the
              > visible folders in "C:\Users\{username}", you will need to retain
              > "C:\Users\{username}" for those hidden folders which cannot be
              > relocated. If you "un-hide" these folders, you will even notice
              they
              > have no "Location" tab under properties - which is the big clue
              that you
              > cannot just relocate these folders by hand.
              >
              >
              >
              > Could Vista be better about this? Sure! But, as it is, it is
              still
              > better than it was under XP.
              >
              >
              >
              > Good luck!
              >
              >
              >
              > C. MARC WAGNER
              >
              > Services Development Specialist
              >
              > UITS, Student Technology Centers
              >
              > Indiana University, Bloomington
              >
              >
              >
              > Check Your Printing Allotment @ http://printing.stc.indiana.edu
              > <blocked::http://printing.stc.indiana.edu/>
              >
              >
              >
              > From: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
              > [mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
              > jckncks
              > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:07 PM
              > To: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: Re: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of some user
              names , any
              > ideas ?
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Thanks allot for that Marc.
              > l'll give it a go.
              > Seems pretty weird though that by the sounds of it l can't sort of
              > just cancel the other names outright , get them out of there
              > completely and have to actually delete folders and things with the
              > old name still on them.
              > lf l got you right that is .
              > What's wrong with these people designing something in such an un
              > forgiving way , can't believe it.
              > Trouble is to that l don't think l'd trust my PC abilities - lack
              > off , to go through deleteing folders and crap on a brand new
              system .
              > Made some bad moves like that in the past.
              > Youknow if l can get rid of all that at anyrate , l think l'd like
              to
              > trim Vista down and back to the XP style of doing things.
              > To me you can't trust any of windows so called security anyway.
              > With my XP l just had it completely straight through. No logging
              ons
              > or windows controling or so called help with anything.
              > Just a good firewall , anti virus and very thorough cleaners .
              Fought
              > off and blocked must of beeen 100s of trojans and bad sights like
              > that no problem .
              > ls there a way to trim it all down and back to basics like XP ?
              >
              > l've only had it a week and 1/2 so haven't got to the finer points
              > yet but l know so far all that side of things is just BS.
              > The rest of it's good though , really like the new look and extra
              > features. Not that there seems to be many apart from all the so
              > called security rubbish .
              >
              > J
              >
              > --- In Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
              > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%
              40yahoogroups.com> , "Wagner, C.
              > Marc" <mwagner@> wrote:
              > >
              > > You should be able go into administrative tools (under control
              > panel) and select computer manager. There you should be able to
              turn
              > on the internal administartor's account. If there is none, you can
              > create a new account called "Administrator" and give it
              administrator
              > privileges. Once THAT account exists, you can log in under that
              > account and delete the account with your name. When you delete it,
              > you can delete all files and directories associated with it.
              > >
              > > Once you've done that, you can create any users under any
              username
              > that you want. Beware, the username used to create the account is
              > the one used to name directories. Once the account exists, you can
              > change the common name and it will be displayed but not known to
              the
              > system.
              > >
              > > Keep in mind that as long as there is a router between your
              > computer and your broadband/DSL modem, and that you have a firewell
              > running on your computer, you are pretty secure from snoopers.
              > >
              > > C. Marc Wagner
              > > Services Development Specialist
              > > UITS, Student Technology Centers
              > > Indiana University, Bloomington
              > > ==========
              > > BlackBerry Enterprise Server
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
              > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
              > <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
              > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com> >
              > > To: Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
              > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com>
              > <Windows_Vista_operating_system@yahoogroups.com
              > <mailto:Windows_Vista_operating_system%40yahoogroups.com> >
              > > Sent: Sun Apr 29 18:52:02 2007
              > > Subject: [Vista] Vista won't let me get rid of some user names ,
              > any ideas ?
              > >
              > > Hi guys , just joined. Thankfull to find the group to.
              > >
              > > l've got what's probably a very stupid question .
              > > My girlfriend put my name into my new computor as user which l
              > never do.
              > > l don't trust anything windows sends out or the net these days so
              l
              > > never call a computor anything eccept a string of letters.
              > >
              > > My name's coming up everywhere . All the folders, permissions ,
              > hate to
              > > think what it's sending out but it won't let me change it . The
              > delete
              > > box is like switched off or something and won't click .
              > >
              > > l did manage to get in a letter combo as user name but now it
              uses
              > that
              > > plus still puts my name at the end of it.And then has somehow
              found
              > > another name for admin.
              > > lt seemed to use the new letter combo as the user name and
              somehow
              > left
              > > the old one[ my name] as the computor name - or something like
              that
              > > it's hard to tell but often uses both name .
              > >
              > > Yet there's only the admin' account, the guest account's switched
              > off.
              > > l want to wipe all names off and start again with just one admin
              > > account and letter combo name for everything and that's it.
              > >
              > > How can l wipe the slate clean and start again ?
              > >
              > > Any help appreciated .
              > > J.
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
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