Re: to be or not to be?
> Did anyone here stop to think, this earth has been here formillions
> of years before us and will be here long after we are gone. Eitherwe
> will find a way to co-exist with this world or this world willprotect
> itself and do away with us.Indeed. But the question at hand is how much else do we take down
with us? Sure there will come a time for our natural extinction, but
that involves inestimable destruction of plant and animal life all
over the world.
whether we succeed is yet to be seen, but
> by refusing the chance to better a world,Perhaps you'd like to explain to the group how making a decision not
to breed is "refusing the chance to better a world." Maybe you need
to ask "who is it better for?" You? Me? The Human Race? Clarify
this before I argue for or against it. Otherwise, we'll all end up
chasing our tails.
by denying yourselves of the
> very things that make us who we all are does nothing to better theI was not aware that one's children was what made them who they
> world and merely taints it further.
were. I guess that makes me nobody and my mom a homosexual.
There is no guarantee that many
> years from now some other race wont take our place and do the samePerhaps what would make such a hypothetical species capable of
seceding us would be their capability to maintain balance with their
Or maybe proposing non-sequitir possibilities is just plain weak.
Maybe squirrels will take over the world one day and destroy the
environment. Maybe we should kill all modern squirrels to prevent
that from happening.
We are here and we are now. If some alien race is going to supplant
us, why do you even pretend to care what happens? What does it matter
what we do towards your "better world?"
HAVE TO GO...will continue in just a few hours
If you want to believe in something, and want to protect
> something, believe in yourself, go out and try to make thediffrence
> in a productive manner. Did you know over a billion people couldfit
> in a city the size of new york with room to spare and live normaly.victim
> Humanity has problems, but making a choice to be part of ending it
> doesn't solve a problem, it just ends it as would some suicide
> would, all alone, with no way to shout out against the world.because
> it's a volunteer project does not make it right, just, or moral. Ifare
> you all are truely worried about our "amoral" society, perhaps you
> should start looking at yourself first and go on from there. There
> better ways, and persuing some damned suicidal goal (which is whatadds
> this is in many ways) doesn't help make anything right, it just
> another wrong to the many that already exist.
>By that, I presume you mean a reproductive manner. And what is to
> If you want to believe in something, and want to protect
> > something, believe in yourself, go out and try to make the
> > in a productive manner.
say that I do not believe in myself? Or that I do not already go out
there and try t make a difference in a productive manner.
And I find it fairly absurd that people would be anti-procreation
just for the sake of "believing in something." It would seem as
though the actual cause didn't matter, so long as you belived in any
old thing. Well the cause does matter. If you believe in White
Supremacy and you believe in Environmentalism, then it's two entirely
different stories, isn't it?
Did you know over a billion people could
> > in a city the size of new york with room to spare and live
I hate to inform you of this, but I live in New York, and it has
under 9 million people, and there isn't enough room for them.
While we're playing the trivia game, did you know that for the first
10,000 years of homo sapiens sapen history, the population never came
close to 1 billion. Only 150 years ago did it cross that mark. And
since then, it's multiplied itself six times over. Do you think that
the world population has always been growing? It's a fairly recent
People sometimes confront my environmental or depopulationist views
by saying "yeah, but how long before things start seriously going
wrong." my answer is usually "about a century ago, maybe two."
> > Humanity has problems, but making a choice to be part of endingit
> > doesn't solve a problem, it just ends it as would some suicideUm, if there were no humans, there would be nothing worth shouting
> > would, all alone, with no way to shout out against the world.
out against. Thus, problem solved. If humanity is gone, what could
you possibly mean by "world," in terms of something to rebel against?
You seem to have gotten wrapped up in your metaphor.
With us gone, all that would be left would be the Earth and its
various ecosystems. And we are arguing on environmental terms,
aren't we? If not, perhaps that could count for the discrepancies in
our opinions just a tad.
> > it's a volunteer project does not make it right, just, or moral.
> > you all are truely worried about our "amoral" society, perhapsyou
> > should start looking at yourself first and go on from there.Therefore anybody who is concerned about the condition of their
society, or at all politically conscious should not be feeling that
way. They should be looking towards themselves instead.
> arename some.
> > better ways,
and persuing some damned suicidal goal (which is what
> > this is in many ways) doesn't help make anything right,i intend on living a long and happy life. it's just my line that's
> addsHow is it wrong not to breed? By saying this, you are operating from
> > another wrong to the many that already exist.
the standpoint that it is immoral not to procreate.