Re: Why VHEMT? U want Justice?
- --- In Why_VHEMT@yahoogroups.com, Hal Friedman <Hfrie@m...> wrote:
>repeat that, do NOT, believe you are insane simply because your
> beamenace2 wrote:
> > --- In Why_VHEMT@yahoogroups.com, Hal Friedman <Hfrie@m...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > beamenace2 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In Why_VHEMT@yahoogroups.com, Hal Friedman <Hfrie@m...> wrote:
> > > > > What does this reply have to do with what I've said? What, to
> > show
> > > > me
> > > > > that people can be religious fanatics or that many people live
> > in
> > > > > poverty, or can overcrowd a region, as if I didn't know that?
> > Such a
> > > > > trip would do nothing except perhaps to make me more motivated
> > than
> > > > I
> > > > > now am to engage in activity that would serve to reduce global
> > > > poverty
> > > > > and end fanaticism. Not a bad thing, to be sure, but I don't
> > have to
> > > > > take such a trip to engage in such activity and I don't see how
> > such
> > > > a
> > > > > trip would convince me that humanity should die out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or is that your point, that after this trip I'd become so full
> > of
> > > > hatred
> > > > > or disgust for humanity because of the fanaticism or stupidity
> > of
> > > > some
> > > > > of it that I'd drop my objections to VHEMT? Well, what can you
> > say
> > > > about
> > > > > a movement that is based on hatred and disgust?
> > > >
> > > > VHEMT is not based on hatred and disgust. It is based on respect
> > for
> > > > the planet and its inhabitants to the extent that we are willing
> > to
> > > > phase ourselves out before we destroy this planet to such an
> > extent
> > > > that NO species will be able to survive.
> > > >
> > > > > Do you think that the
> > > > > adherents of such a movement could benefit from therapy?
> > > >
> > > > There you go again with your insistance that, because a group of
> > > > people disagree with you, they must be in need of therapy. Why
> > this
> > > > preoccupation with mental health?
> > > >
> > > > Bea
> > > >
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> > > > I don't think you may need therapy because you disagree with me. I
> > think you may need therapy because of the grossly unbalanced negative
> > >>and deprecatory view you have of humanity. Please note my prior
> > postings wherein I've said that if you met an indiviudal who
> > >>deprecated himself as much as you and some other VHEMT'ers
> > deprecated humanity, you yourself would think that that person should
> > >>seek counseling because the sole emphasis on the negative is not
> > healthy. There are instances where an individual hates himself for
> > >>various reasons but does not attack himself but projects his
> > self-disgust on someone else, a minority group, for example. Maybe the
> > >>disdain for humanity shown by some contributors to this site is, in
> > fact, this type of projection.
> > I see no reason to try and debate with you since you persist in
> > calling mine and others sanity into question because our beliefs
> > differ from your own. I suggest for the future that you would benefit
> > more from sticking to the actual points made in debates rather than
> > fretting over others' suppossed mental health problems.
> > > I am not a professional therapist so I may be totally wrong about
> > > projection but I don't think I'm wrong to point out how unbalanced
> > is
> > > the view of humanity held by some VHEMT'ers.
> > If you think you might be wrong, why waste time making repeated
> > comments about it?
> > > From Hal who says don't be so defensive.
> > From Bea who says don't be so offensive.
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> > Once again, I ask you to read what I've said. I do not, let me
>>beliefs differ from mine. Indeed, I don't believe you are insane,period. What I am saying is that you and some other VHEMT'ers have
>>what I believe to be a seriously unbalanced view of humanity that,IMHO, is not healthy.
I think the people who are 'seriously unbalanced' are those who
blindly persist in breeding with no thought for anyone or anything but
themselves. On the other hand, VHEMT'ers are perfectly sane because we
can see the bigger picture and live our lives accordingly, without
cowering under a protective shell that keeps out the stark reality of
an overburdened planet.
Also, many VHEMT'ers (including myself) are vegans living, wherever
possible, a sustainable lifestyle. This means we are doing something
positive to minimise our impact on the planet and avoid harming other
species. Do you think such efforts are the product of unbalanced minds?
> You have not refuted the analogy that I've drawn between a person whoThis analogy is false because it is based on the assumption that
> constantly degrades himself with critical comments and a person who does
> the same for his species.
>Just answer this: If you knew a person who
> constantly criticized himself in the most derogatory terms possible, and
> you also knew full well that this person was no better or worse than
> ayone else, a "regular Joe", would you or would you not view that person
> as psychologically healthy? Yes or no?
VHEMT'ers live their life ONLY to bemoan the fact that humanity is
doomed. It might surprise you to know that our lives do not revolve
around preaching doom and gloom.
Yes, I will speak my mind on this subject should it crop up in
conservation. Yes, I will do what I can to promote the concept of
voluntary human extinction.
No, I will not allow a single issue to rule my day to day living as
there are other issues of importance to think about and act upon.
It is our love of life that leads us to the sad but inevitable
conclusion that human extinction is the drastic but ultimately the
only way this planet and its inhabitants are going to survive long-term.
Believing in voluntary human extinction is a positive belief and one
that I embrace fully because I know that my non-existant offspring
will not be polluting and exploiting this planet whilst causing the
extinction of numerous other species.
> Now if you were to agree that such a person was not healthy, how can youI think I've answered this in my comments avove.
> distinguish that observation from someone who constantly puts down his
> species to the point of wishing that his species would die out?
>From Bea who prefers an enquiring mind to insulting remarks.
> From Hal whose inquiring mind wants to know.
- Why thank-you. I was thinking of calling myself the Carrot Vampire. Now I'm off to hunt some cawwots.....Seriously, I have a new account called bunny_drac which I will use to re-sign myself in as. I'm not a tree, so I figure I can change my address as often as I want. I know, I need to get a LIFE. Thanks for reminding me. Kate
govhemt <tintin1947@...> wrote:
I think you should call yourself "Offtopic Rantqueen"
--- In Why_VHEMT@yahoogroups.com, karla wilkins
> You know how they say. There's planty of fish in the sea....wellI'm not prepared to get hooked all that easily. How many hooks does
it take to hook a hooker??? I think I'm worth a lot more than a fish-
at least in my own mind I am!!! Since I am more closely related to
the dolphin, I think it is better to not hook me at all but leave me
be free. This applies to all men and women. If you love somebody, set
them free!!! Love sent through the computer screen!!! Love Kate
> PS when I come up with a more appropriate name, i will change myidentity to a fantasy one. I'm thinking of Black Swan-these
remarkable Aussie "birds of paradise".....I think it would be nice to
be a swan-and they are faithful until death.....So I'll call myself
the black swan.....
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