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Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: Repeaters that ID in Morse Code

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  • Jim KC8PCJ
    No but the fingers just don t want to do what they are told. ... From: k8mhz@k8mhz.com To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007
    Message 1 of 15 , Sep 21, 2007
      No but the fingers just don't want to do what they are told.
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: k8mhz@...
      Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:30 PM
      Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: Repeaters that ID in Morse Code

      Long day Jim?
       
      :)
       
      mhz
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 06:14
      Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: Repeaters that ID in Morse Code

      Correction: much nmore dead
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:43 PM
      Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: Repeaters that ID in Morse Code

      I don't think the horse can be beat much dead than it is.......... ......... ......... ..


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    • FSK
      Thank you, Tom!!! ... From: K8TB To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: Repeaters
      Message 2 of 15 , Sep 21, 2007
        Thank you,    Tom!!!
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: K8TB
        Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:14 PM
        Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: Repeaters that ID in Morse Code

        k8mhz@k8mhz. com wrote:
        >As for not being an expert, and not seeking to be one while
        >assuming the role of a teacher, I feel that such practice is doing
        >a disservice to the students and to the art in which they will
        >become licensed to perform.
        >Sadly, I am going against convention when I seek expertise
        >but as you have seen, convention shall not by my guide nor my
        teacher. I prefer to lead rather than follow.

        So, it's all about the students eh? I'll remember that specious
        argument for sometime later. I teach also. And at the age of 54, I am
        also a student. Yes, there is no such thing as stupid questions, but
        there sure is a case of beating dead horse 58 times.

        >Bear in mind that in my profession, I must be an expert at what I do.
        >As a licensed electrician if I am not an expert at my trade and make a
        mistake,
        >other experts will be called in because of my failure.
        >The experts I speak of are firefighters, EMTs and in a worst case
        scenario, medical examiners.
        >I prefer to carry my pursuit of expertise into amateur radio and pass
        my knowledge on
        >to my students, and on to those reading discussions here on this
        reflector.

        Geez, in just about ANY job today one has to be an expert. If that
        17 year old kid delivering pizzas makes a driving mistaken, people can die.
        So just what does being a licensed electrician have to do with
        discussing the merits of F2A modulation? Oh yea, you studied for 800
        hours. Well, since you are familiar with Part 97, I encourage you to
        read what I have to know, Parts 11,17,73 and 74. Sometimes Part 101
        also. 16,789 pages (+/- 3 Db). So does that make me better than anyone
        else? I don't think so. And again, what does studying 800 hours have to
        do with F2A? This is a diversion of the discussion.

        Are you a member of a club that owns a repeater? I'm guessing you
        are. Here is your homework. Look at Part 97, and find the part that
        states that a repeater has to have a control operator whenever it is on
        the air. It's there. So, does your club have someone at 3;15 am
        controlling it? I'll bet not. But now, thats a violation of the rules,
        just as serious as not identifying at 10.0000 minutes. So can you, as a
        club member, stand by and allow this purposeful violation to continue?

        You state that you are just staying away from convention. I sure
        would like to know what your definition of convention is. I have worked
        with the FCC enforcement division over the years on numerous projects.
        That has given me insight as to how the field people think and operate.
        Remember that one can never get a definitive answer from the FCC, only
        one that is good for that day.

        So go back to your Part 97, do your homework, and when you answer
        about your control operators, I'll key you in on a few rules that just
        about every ham breaks every day. It'll make your day.

        Tom K8TB


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      • FSK
        Please can we move to another subject, i think we beat thuis with a stick, enough THANK YOU!!! ... From: K8TB To: WestMichiganHams@yahoogroups.com Sent:
        Message 3 of 15 , Sep 21, 2007
          Please can we move to another subject, i think we beat thuis with a stick, enough THANK YOU!!!
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: K8TB
          Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:14 PM
          Subject: Re: [WestMichiganHams] Re: Repeaters that ID in Morse Code

          k8mhz@k8mhz. com wrote:
          >As for not being an expert, and not seeking to be one while
          >assuming the role of a teacher, I feel that such practice is doing
          >a disservice to the students and to the art in which they will
          >become licensed to perform.
          >Sadly, I am going against convention when I seek expertise
          >but as you have seen, convention shall not by my guide nor my
          teacher. I prefer to lead rather than follow.

          So, it's all about the students eh? I'll remember that specious
          argument for sometime later. I teach also. And at the age of 54, I am
          also a student. Yes, there is no such thing as stupid questions, but
          there sure is a case of beating dead horse 58 times.

          >Bear in mind that in my profession, I must be an expert at what I do.
          >As a licensed electrician if I am not an expert at my trade and make a
          mistake,
          >other experts will be called in because of my failure.
          >The experts I speak of are firefighters, EMTs and in a worst case
          scenario, medical examiners.
          >I prefer to carry my pursuit of expertise into amateur radio and pass
          my knowledge on
          >to my students, and on to those reading discussions here on this
          reflector.

          Geez, in just about ANY job today one has to be an expert. If that
          17 year old kid delivering pizzas makes a driving mistaken, people can die.
          So just what does being a licensed electrician have to do with
          discussing the merits of F2A modulation? Oh yea, you studied for 800
          hours. Well, since you are familiar with Part 97, I encourage you to
          read what I have to know, Parts 11,17,73 and 74. Sometimes Part 101
          also. 16,789 pages (+/- 3 Db). So does that make me better than anyone
          else? I don't think so. And again, what does studying 800 hours have to
          do with F2A? This is a diversion of the discussion.

          Are you a member of a club that owns a repeater? I'm guessing you
          are. Here is your homework. Look at Part 97, and find the part that
          states that a repeater has to have a control operator whenever it is on
          the air. It's there. So, does your club have someone at 3;15 am
          controlling it? I'll bet not. But now, thats a violation of the rules,
          just as serious as not identifying at 10.0000 minutes. So can you, as a
          club member, stand by and allow this purposeful violation to continue?

          You state that you are just staying away from convention. I sure
          would like to know what your definition of convention is. I have worked
          with the FCC enforcement division over the years on numerous projects.
          That has given me insight as to how the field people think and operate.
          Remember that one can never get a definitive answer from the FCC, only
          one that is good for that day.

          So go back to your Part 97, do your homework, and when you answer
          about your control operators, I'll key you in on a few rules that just
          about every ham breaks every day. It'll make your day.

          Tom K8TB


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