I think it might be better to not include either of these wordings under the
rights of a rider, about availability or the level a horse may be that a
rider will be given to ride. It seems to be too much specificity that could
cause a problem in interpretation and application.
As I read the original line #2 , it seems to be indicating that a beginning
or intermediate rider has the right to not be issued or required to ride a
horse that is only suited for a higher level rider. I presume that was the
intent , however it could also be interpreted otherwise as Collett suggests,
and perhaps in even other ways too.
I think Collett's #2 means something entirely different, and I think trying
to codify who gets to ride and what level a horse is that will be made
available, etc. is likely to be awfully complicated at times.
This would be complicated even more for a horse that isn't behaving in it's
usual manner and decides to get ornery enough that only an advanced rider
should be allowed to ride it , even though it had been suitable for
beginners earlier in the day or event.
As I see it, horse and rider combinations should be checked at each event
for compatability , and if a horse and rider don't work safely together then
the rider should not ride that horse that day , period!
Stating rights more than that seem unwise, especially if any specific grant
or guarantee is used as a lever to cause an unsafe condition to develop or
continue with a resulting injury or destruction of property (or the threat
of, or perception of eminent injury or destruction of property ).
Henrik of Havn
>From: Autumn Cardone <autumn_cardone@...>
>To: dcamville <dcamville@...>, gizzell@...
>Subject: Re: [WestKingdomEQ] Rights and Responsibilities for Horse Owners
>and RIders: PLEASE READ
>Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:38:21 -0800
>This is a nice document. I can see it being useful to us for a long time
>in the future.
>I do have a question, though:
>Horse RIDER Rights and Responsibilities
>2) To be provided with a mount appropriate to your riding level,
>I realize that this is meant for March Crown an Mists Spring Coronet,
>This kind of sounds like we promise that we will always have the perfect
>horse available for anyone who would like to ride, when they want it (i.e.
>what if there are no beginning/intermediate/advanced horses available at
>one of the events, or there are no horses/loaner horses at an event, or
>something happens -- horse goes lame, ... ). I am sure that this is not
>really what you meant. Perhaps this one Rider Right should be rephrased.
>For example something like:
> 2.) If there is a mount, appropriate to your riding level and skills,
>available for loan,
> and you have signed up during the sign up time, then a reasonable
>effort will be
> made to allow you to ride said mount during the activities you signed
>I know, it's wordy, but...
>We also need to keep in mind that the SCA laws state that the SCA (and
>those acting as representatives of the SCA) are not allowed to loan out
>horses or equipment. The original statement looks like it is an official
>declaration from the Kingdom/Principality promising to provide loaner
>horses, rather than from the individuals who own the horses, who, through
>their extreme generosity, are letting people borrow their horses to ride.
>Hum... Perhaps more emphasis on the extreme generosity of those who are
>loaning out their horses for others to ride would be appropriate, too...
>:-) How about the following:
> We would like to thank those people who have gone to the extra effort to
> to this event to share with those who are interested in participating. It
> the extreme generosity of these horse owners that we are all able to
> these equestrian activities. Please remember to thank the owners of the
> work with. Your thanks may make the difference as to whether these horses
> available to be ridden by the populace at future events.
>Just my two cents worth,
> >Viscountess Elisabeth de Champagne asked me to post the Rights and
> >Responsibilities for Horse Owners and Riders which will be in effect
> >at Crown and Coronet. Please use these standards when working with
> >the horses. Take a momment to review this document to avoid any
> >confusdion once the event begins. If yu hav ANY QUESTIONS please
> >email her at gizzell@... or call her at 510-886-1526. You can
> >DOWNLOAD a copy of this document (which is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) from
> >the Files section of the web group. Thanks! RdC
> >Horse OWNERS' Rights and Responsibilities
> >1) To have a safe environment in which to participate and horse to be
> >2) To restrict who rides your horse and for how long.
> >3) To have your horse treated with respect and kindness while at an
> >4) To be able to ride your own mount.
> >5) To expect whomever rides to have some horsemanship skills prior to
> >1) To make sure your horse has a clean, safe environment while at an
> >2) To make sure your horse has enough food and water to last the
> >duration of the event.
> >3) To make sure those riding your horse have and are using the
> >appropriate skills to handle the horse.
> >4) To help set up and tear down authorization and games equipment
> >(THIS IS A MUST).
> >5) To have all the proper gear and equipment for activities and that
> >the horse is prepared physically and mentally for all activities
> >(THIS IS A MUST).
> >Horse RIDER Rights and Responsibilities
> >1) To have a safe environment in which to participate.
> >2)To be provided with a mount appropriate to your riding level,
> >3) To be given special instruction if the mount has training or
> >behaviors which differ from the norm.(Example: Special cues)
> >4) To be given instruction on how to properly complete the
> >authorization or competition course (not a riding lessoon) to be used.
> >1)To make sure you are comfortable with the situation you will be
> >facing. Your safety is your resposibility first and foremost.
> >2) To make sure that you have some horsemanship skill is present,
> >prior to riding in authorizations and games.
> >3) To treat owner and mount with respect and kindness.
> >4) To have any special gear needed for you to participate.
> >5) To keep your temper if your horse is or seems uncooperative.
> >6) To help set up and tear down games and authorization equipment
> >(THIS IS A MUST).
> >7) To have appropriate garb/ clothing on while participating in horse
> >related activities.
> >Please read this document carefully. If you have any questions please
> >ask the marshal in Charge for clarification.
> >Thank you!
> >Lady ELisabeth, Viscountess de Camville
> >Equstrian marsahl in Charge-march Crown
> >Mists Equestrian Marshal
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