The Training of Jousting Horses]
- View SourceThis came off the jousting list and I think is a very clear explanation.
Even if you never plan to do jousting or mounted combat, it is a very
good idea to get your horse used to armor and the nose it makes along
with the noise of swords hitting armor.
It never hurts to get a horse used to the mechanics of jousting, etc.
One tidbit I picked up from Jeff at our clinic is, that for "new to
armour" horses, put on an arm harness when grooming them to help them
get used to armour. Then, work your way up from there. By the time
you're up to a full harness, they'll be much more relaxed about it all.
On a lead, out of armour, on the ground....work with all the weapons all
around them. Touching, talking petting, etc. Then do it mounted (maybe
with someone holding the lead the first few times if you think you need
it). Walk/trot/canter with the lance and other weapons. Ride around a
lot with the lance...make it part of you. As we learned at the clinic,
if you are hold it properly, you can hold it all day without getting
Out of armour..walk/trot/canter down the lane. With another horse, have
the "made" horse/rider (if you have one) stand still at the center of
the tilt and let you, riding the new horse, w/t/c by them. Then, you
stand and they w/t/c by you. Of course, if it gets to be too much, back
off. Then w/t/c by each other.
After that, I add lances and if things go well, I switch out the lance
for just a helmet. If things go well, I'll add lance and helmet. If
things go well, I'll do the same w/t/c excercise above with lance and
helmet. Then maybe add the ecranche. Then work your way up to full
harness and then on to breaking passes.
Of course, some horses will take to this with no problem and others
(ahem... ;-) won't. Just take it in baby steps and keep and eye on
them. If it gets to be too much stimuli for them, take a step or two
Time is your friend. If you rush it, you will end up having many more
problems to fix.
Unus sed Leo
- View SourceOh an opinion? Of course I have one!
He forgot the part where Gwen (Jeff's wife) religiously offers treats when they hit the end of the list. :-) I don't know if they get them at "every pass" or not. I've watched her do this - I still see pictures of it. It works for them. But it is also a part of their process not mentioned in Steve's post.
My horses would MOW me down if they knew cookies "were happening" as soon as they get to me. LOL! I cannot "treat out of the hand" that much. It creates too many issues with my horses. One of them being that evil expectation of auto-cookie.
Also. In addition to this:
> Of course, some horses will take to this with no problem and othersSome horse just don't take to contact jousting. Certainly DO try to train them for it. Give them a year or so of patient "weekly submersion" with it. Don't burn them out with it - be a horseman about the process. If you have one that cannot settle into the job, don't make them do it. You'll end up with a disaster brewing and it will probably hit when there are the least amount of escape routes.
> (ahem... ;-) won't. Just take it in baby steps and keep and eye on
> them. If it gets to be too much stimuli for them, take a step or two
Any of these groups will tell you that they've had horses that did not settle into the job. Maybe it was personality, maybe it was the training they got. Some just don't like it. Some tolerate. Some are indifferent. Some really love it.
- View SourceThis brings up a good point.
When training anything (dogs, birds, rabbits, children, horses)we start
with 'shaping' - anything that resembles the behavior we want gets
rewarded. Rewards can be praise or food or both.
Gradually, we reward behavior that is closer to what we want until we
reward ONLY what we want.
Then, we begin to change the re-enforcement schedule. Instead of every
time, it is 3 out of four then 2 of 4 then 1 of four then 1 of
10, then randomly (the numbers are for the purpose of example, not an
Random re-enforcement is the strongest kind. Studies show everyone works
harder if they never know when they will be rewarded. It is the basis of
the Lottery and all gambling. Studies show that a person who gets a 'big
win' early in their gambling experience is much more likely to keep
trying - every random little win re-enforces the belief that the next one
is another big one.
So, I have a horse that will not let me catch him. First, I put him in a
small area. I start the training process when he is hungry.
I put out the hay and stand by it,. He does not get to eat until he
comes up to the hay. He may grab a bite and run - that's ok. Stand
there. When he comes up to get it and stays put, I pet him and tell him
he is a good boy (approximation/shaping/praise). I do this every day and
gradually do things like put my arm over his neck and pet him while he
eats. When he will let me put a rope around his neck and then a halter
on his head, we are ready for the next phase. Very occasionally during
this process, he also gets a treat (I usually say "treat?" when I do it
as this gets the word sound and the item connected for later)
Now I walk in (again he is hungry) and walk towards him with a treat in
hand. NO rope, no halter. I say "treat?" If he walks up, he gets a treat
then he gets his hay. If he does not walk up, I wait. He will come
Gradually, we do the same process - adding arm over neck and then rope
over neck and then halter.
Lastly, we turn him out in a big area and do this AFTER breakfast. First
treat - no rope no halter. then arm then rope then halter.
Then, when he will reliablly lets me walk up to him and halter him to get
the treat, we start doing it without the treat once in awhile.
Gradually, we remove the treat - praise is all he gets.
You can do this with anything. the difficulty is that folks over use
treats and never extinguish the treat so the horse expects treats every
time he see a person. That, and folks do not demand good treat behavior
- not crowding, etc.
If your kid gets a big bowl of ice cream every time they do their one
math homework problem, I guarentee that they will do one problem.
Getting them to do all their homework using that kind of reward schedule
is going to require a bunch of ice cream and Tums.
All this being said, there are some horses that can never have treats
from your hand - treats in buckets will do the same thing. And for the
few who shove you around to get the treat no matter what - praise alone
will also work.
> My horses would MOW me down if they knew cookies "were happening" as soon
> as they get to me. LOL! I cannot "treat out of the hand" that much. It
> creates too many issues with my horses. One of them being that evil
> expectation of auto-cookie.
- View Source(below) Kitty learned this with Duke and was very strict about treating him out of the hand. Early on, he did become a jerk about expecting treats - and got horribly pushy/aggressive. It was no good for his attention span nor his attitude.
She made the right call and got a positive change in his attitude. He got to the point where he sulked a bit when he saw Velvet get a cookie, but he did stop grabbing my cloths and nosing (pushing) me INTO the tack room in expectation of a treat. (THAT was annoying!)
--- In WestKingdomEQ@yahoogroups.com, "DIANNE KARP" <diannekarp@...>
> All this being said, there are some horses that can never have treats
> from your hand - treats in buckets will do the same thing. And for the
> few who shove you around to get the treat no matter what - praise alone
> will also work.
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> (below) Kitty learned this with Duke and was very strict about treatingIn Duke's case, he grew up without someone insisting that he respect
> him out of the hand. Early on, he did become a jerk about expecting
> treats - and got horribly pushy/aggressive. It was no good for his
> attention span nor his attitude.
> She made the right call and got a positive change in his attitude. He got
> to the point where he sulked a bit when he saw Velvet get a cookie, but
> he did stop grabbing my cloths and nosing (pushing) me INTO the tack room
> in expectation of a treat. (THAT was annoying!)
space. It was his biggest problem when he was at Lynn's. He takes
advantage when he is being handled by lots of different folks. I have
seen his manners since Kitty started demanding respect and it is joyful
All I can say is 'whiffle bat'. We call it the Baton of Behavior. Makes
a great deal of noise and you can whale on a naughty pony without hurting
All my horses drop their heads and stare then back up or find somewhere
else to be when they see it. It often comes out when 'gate manners' have