Re: [WarOf1812] Request: Pension Information
- jeverett@... wrote;
> Second, a Question. Someone asked me what I knew about PensionsDo you mean this from Edward Costello about Tom Plunkett - I have quoted teh
> granted to soldiers for wounds received, which left them incapable of
> working. I have material on the Officers ("General Regulations and
> Orders for the Army" ), and a few references to Chelsea.
> However, I have not seen a set of Regulations, or a table of rates,
> for Privates and NCOs who were Out-Pensioners (I believe that is the
> correct term). Now, I'm quite curious about this myself. I seem to
> recall someone (Rifleman Harris?) getting a 6d pension. Can anyone
the anecdote direct from Costello;
While wearing a red coat, [Tom Plunkett] had a singular meeting with his
former Colonel, then General Sir Sidney Beckwith, which I have often heard
him relate. It is customary, as the reader may probably be aware, to have
half-yearly inspections of our regiments at home. Shortly after Tom's having
enlisted, it so happened, on one of the above occasions, when his regiment
was formed for inspection that the duty devolved upon his old commander, Sir
Sidney, who was in command of the district.
In walking down the front rank scrutinising the appearance of the men, the
General suddenly came to Tom, distinguished as he was by two medals on his
'Do my eyes deceive me?' said Sir Sidney. 'Surely you are Tom Plunket,
formerly of my own regiment.
'What's left of me, Sir,' replied Tom, who was seldom deficient in a prompt
'And what has again brought you into the service?' inquired Sir Sidney. 'I
thought you had passed the board at Chelsea?'
'So I did,' said Tom; 'but they only allowed me sixpence a day, Sir, so I
told them to keep it for the young soldiers, as it wasn't enough for the
old,. who had seen all the tough work out.'
'Ha! the old thing, Tom, I perceive,' observed Sir Sidney, shaking his head
and remarked to the Colonel of the regiment, as be proceeded down the
ranks-'One of my bravest soldiers.
The same day the General dined at the officers' mess, when Tom was sent for
Here Plunket, I have sent for you to give us a toast,' observed Sir Sidney,
as he handed him a glass of wine.
'Then, Sir, here's to the immortal memory of the poor fellows who fell in
the Peninsula, Sir,' said Tom.
The toast was drunk by all with much solemnity, when Tom was dismissed with
a present from Sir Sidney. The following day Tom was made a corporal, and
shortly afterwards, through the medium, I believe, of Sir Sidney, went up
and passed the pension board at Kilmainham, which granted him a shilling a
- --- In WarOf1812@egroups.com, Anne Woodley <awoodley@i...> wrote:
> jeverett@s... wrote;Harris?) getting a 6d pension. Can anyone help?
> [Question re Privates Pensions] I seem to recall someone (Rifleman
> Do you mean this from Edward Costello about Tom Plunkett - I havequoted the anecdote direct from Costello...[snip]
Thanks Anne, although I'm sure the 6d memory is from a book on my
shelf, which does not (yet) include Costello. If I find the time,
I'll go through the various recollections in my library, but I'm
pretty certain it was Harris. Even so, once I find it, this gives me
two examples to back up the 6d supposition. I'd still like to see a
summary of the Regulations, plus the rates for Sergeants, Corporals,
R. Jason Everett,
(Capt.), Incorporated Militia
I'm always nervous about venturing information on this forum since
everyone seems to know so much more about the regulations of the British
Army than I do and are very quick to point out the errors of one's ways
However I have investigated the cases of James and Richard Hale, two
brothers who were discharged from service in the IX Regiment of Foot
(which is the reason for my interest!) serving from 1806 to 1814, after
appearing before the Pensions Board of the Royal Military Hospital at
Chelsea, the records are in the Public Records Office at Kew, London (GB
They were discharged on 23rd August 1814 and I have seen the entries in
the ledgers, James was awarded 9d and Richard 1/-d, the difference
appears to me to stem from the nature of their wounds. James lost the
lower left forearm in front of San Sebastian on 31 August 1813 and
Richard lost his right arm above the elbow in an action around Bayonne
on 11 December 1813.
I can only conclude that the pensions were based on the severity of the
wounds assessed by the medical board, James had greater service and rank
than his brother and a citation from his Company Captain but got a
Most of the details are set down in "The Journal of James Hale Late
Serjeant in the ninth Regiment of Foot" which I transcribed and
republished in 1998.
I have a supplementary question, does anyone know how the British Army
in our period paid out the pensions?
>> [Question re Privates Pensions] I seem to recall someone (Rifleman--
>Harris?) getting a 6d pension. Can anyone help?
>> Do you mean this from Edward Costello about Tom Plunkett - I have
>quoted the anecdote direct from Costello...[snip]
>Thanks Anne, although I'm sure the 6d memory is from a book on my
>shelf, which does not (yet) include Costello. If I find the time,
>I'll go through the various recollections in my library, but I'm
>pretty certain it was Harris. Even so, once I find it, this gives me
>two examples to back up the 6d supposition. I'd still like to see a
>summary of the Regulations, plus the rates for Sergeants, Corporals,
>R. Jason Everett,
>(Capt.), Incorporated Militia
- In a message dated 7/3/2000 8:20:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
<< Someone asked me what I knew about Pensions
granted to soldiers for wounds received, which left them incapable of
working. I have material on the Officers ("General Regulations and
Orders for the Army" ), and a few references to Chelsea.
However, I have not seen a set of Regulations, or a table of rates,
for Privates and NCOs who were Out-Pensioners (I believe that is the
correct term). Now, I'm quite curious about this myself. I seem to
recall someone (Rifleman Harris?) getting a 6d pension. Can anyone
I have the complete pension warrant for 1829, however there were previous
ones 1806, 12, 14, 16(25th March), 16(19th December), 18, 22, 23(28th July),
23(19th August), and 1826.
The 29 supercedes all of the above.
There is a table for rates of pension related to wounds, viz:
Men losing two limbs or both eyes from wound or being so severely wounded as
to be totally incapable of earning a livelihood, and to require the
assistance and care of some other person.
s d s d
Sergeant 2 6 3 6
Corporal 2 0 3 0
Private 1 6 2 0
Men rendered incapable of earning a livelihood, but not requiring the care of
s d s d
Sergeant 2 0 3 0
Corporal 1 6 2 0
Private 1 0 1 6
Men able to contribute in a small degree towards a livelihood
s d s d
Sergeant 1 6 2 0
Corporal 1 0 1 6
Private 0 9 1 0
Men able to contribute materially towards a livelihood, although unfit for
the ordinary duties of the service.
s d s d
Sergeant 1 0 1 6
Corporal 0 9 1 0
Private 0 6 0 9
Hope the above is of help.