Re: PC and other stuff from Marilyn
- -Dear Terry and group:
Since you responded to my last e-mail on list, I'll reply to it on
list. Taking your last comment, about addressing individuals off-line:
I meant my last e-mail to be read by the entire list because from
reading the digests, I've received the impression that more than
one correspondant is into reenacting as a way of getting back at a
modern "enemy". (like the modern irregular militias and militant
racist organiziations), not as an interpretation of history or as a
way of having fun. If I'm mistaken in that assumption, I humbly
apologize to the entire list. If I'm not, perhaps it's something that
needs to be discussed.
-- In WarOf1812@egroups.com, "Terry Lubka" <tlubka@p...> wrote:
> all my readings of personal diaries they often referred to theFrench
> as "Frogs"... but the question is how farIn your 19th century persona, it's understandable, because we (the
> should a reenactor go to portray the person in history?
public and the other reenactors) are aware that you are speaking as a
person of that time. The 19th C. French soldier would've spoken a few
pithy insults at his English enemy. So would the person re-enacting
him. But are you in your 19th century persona when you are e-mailing
> The discussion on the word "Yankee" did get out off track. I thinktime
> some people were mixing up ACW into their opinions. During that
> the term "Yankee" was a negative term but in 1812 would AmericansA good question. I don't think it was made clear during that
> take it as a slight?
discussion that it was about usage in 1812-14, not about 1861-65 or
1999-2000. So, was it a negative term in 1812? The Rev. War
Patriots apparently turned a British insult "Yankee Doodle Dandy"
a badge of pride and defiance. "Look what we 'Yankee Doodles' did to
you!" George M. Cohan in the early 20th century wrote a song about
proud he was to be a "Yankee Doodle Dandy, Yankee Doodle do or die."
Susanna Moodie (1830's) was an English gentlewoman immigrant, and she
did not think much of her "Yankee" neighbours, some of whom were not
born in the US but who's parents or grandparents came from the US
before or after it became a republic. From my limited reading I
assume that the English thought every white English speaking North
American was a "Yankee" and every white Francophone a "Canadian". But
did the white (or non white) Anglophone in North America in 1812 like
to be called a Yankee? Did only the U.S. Northerner, or only the New
Englander like it? How did an Anglophone British North American
Loyalist react to being called a "Yankee", particularly by someone
like Mrs. Moodie who used it perjoratively? Maybe like some black
people who use the "n- word" among themselves but would strongly
resent a white person using it?
> Marilyn's Comment: Also that you appreciate that inflicting harmon
an adversary is not the best way of showing your love of your
> Terry: I agree it's not the best way but it is the most powerful
to show your patriotism.
Marilyn: I agree that risking or giving your life to defend your
compatriots or even your non-beligerent enemy from agression is the
most powerful way to show love of your country (or of your country's
ideals). One must search his/her heart and do what he/she believes is
right and honourable. I respect the soldier's dedication and
discipline, also his/her great courage. I respect the re-enactors who
interpret these things. I don't agree that any government should
a citizen to do what he/she believes evil and I don't believe the gun
should be the only symbol of patriotism in reenactments or in modern
life. (I'll say it off line from now on; just let me say it now on
>About the "power lust" comment...If a reenactor is power hungryhe/she won't go far. You have to remember that reenacting is
therefore what is there to prevent someone to just walk away from
power hungry individual. I've seen it happen and usually people like
that either learn quick or end up being by themselves.
>Can you "walk away" during a battle re-enactment when this person
uses this power harmfully? Can you "walk away" when re-enacting is
what you really want to do and you don't want to give up doing it? I
hope if there is a victim of an abuse of power, the others in his
group will stand by him.