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RE: 1812 Francis Caldwells sword

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  • Ray Hobbs
    Comparing these items to the information in my copy of Wither s World Swords , a catalogue of over 2000 swords from 1400-1945, the one on the right is very
    Message 1 of 4 , Oct 30, 2012
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      Comparing these items to the information in my copy of Wither's "World Swords", a catalogue of over 2000 swords from 1400-1945, the one on the right is very similar to one of the many versions of the 1796 pattern light cavalry officer's sword. It is British. In Withers it is identified as a dress sword "probably used by a yeomanry officer".The one on the left is likewise a Yeomanry cavalry officer's sword, but an 1800 pattern, also British.That also seems to answer your question. Yeomanry cavalry were Militia units in Britain.Not all such swords were manufactured by one foundry, so slight differences in form and decor were common.Hope this helpsRay Hobbs41st Regt
    • Art Neilands
      Thanks very much for the info folks, the reason I ask is because it would seem that the British would supply the British Indian Department and or militia with
      Message 2 of 4 , Oct 30, 2012
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        Thanks very much for the info folks, the reason I ask is because it would seem that the British would supply the British Indian Department and or militia with whatever they may have on hand at the time(?) recycling the weapons? Francis I believe was Essex Militia along with his Father William sen. who was also a vet. of the Rev war. William later replaced M. Elliott of the B.I.D in the Malden area.
         
        I found this while doing some research and it would seem that in regards to the B.I.D at least some of the equipment returned when numbers were reduced after the war had ended up earmarked as gifts for Chiefs and placed back in the Indian store. I believe its from Lt.  Col. R. McDonall written at Drummond Island Aug. 1815 and reads in part,,,,
         
        "Lt. Col. McKay having previous to the Peace, ordered a complete equipment for the officers of the Indian Department, & in consequence of the reduction , the following articles remaining which being pecularily fit (& indeed much wanted)  as prersents for distinguished cheifs, who had great claims, I directed their purchase for the Indian store, which I trust His Excellency will approve.
         
                                                                                                        7 sabres and Waist Belts
                                                                                                        7 Sashes
                                                                                                        4 Epaulets
                                                                                                        7 Sword Knots " 

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      • gary beauregard
        It s all in the hilts. ________________________________ From: doucanu2 To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:18 PM
        Message 3 of 4 , Nov 6, 2012
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          It's all in the hilts.



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          From: doucanu2 <doucanu2@...>
          To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:18 PM
          Subject: 1812 Francis Caldwells sword


           

          In the below link to the Windsor Public Library they show a picture of William and Francis Caldwells swords/sabers.Because I know very little about swords I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what thay are called and the difference between Williams and Francis'.

          http://www.windsorpubliclibrary.com/digi/war1812/contents/introduction/largeimagespages/FF-81-3-1.htm

          Were they British swords/sabers,sword knots,sashes etc supplied to the officers of the B.I.D the same as those supplied to the regular British Military?

          Thanks for any help,

          Gerry




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