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  • JOHN GREIG
    Bad enough desecrating good rum with water.  But to add lime juice well !!!!!!! Bottoms Up. Squire ________________________________ From: Tim Pickles
    Message 1 of 22 , Apr 5, 2011
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      Bad enough desecrating good rum with water.  But to add lime juice well !!!!!!!

      Bottoms Up.

      Squire




      ________________________________
      From: Tim Pickles <BritcomHMP@...>
      To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, 5 April, 2011 16:07:28
      Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

       
      Actually no Ann,s and lime lime juce were used as a preventitive for scurvy but
      not in grog.

      Tim

      -----Original Message-----
      From: annbwass <annbwass@...>
      To: WarOf1812 <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 3:27 am
      Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

      As a textiles person, I appreciate that origin of the term. Am I remembering
      correctly that lime juice was also an essential ingredient of grog?

      Ann Wass

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Tim Pickles <BritcomHMP@...>
      To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:20 am
      Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

      Interesting that the US Navy refers to the drink as 'grog'. As you are probably
      aware this name derives from Vice Admiral Edward Vernon RN who introduced a
      measure of water into the rum ration in 1740. He commonly wore a grogram cloth
      coat and so was nicknamed old grogram or old grog. Nice that the most 'British'
      of US units also keeps up a British tradition.

      Aye

      Tim

      -----Original Message-----
      From: JJ <cplusmc1812@...>
      To: WarOf1812 <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Mon, Apr 4, 2011 3:44 pm
      Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

      ANN, We,the 1812 Marine Guard have the very extreme pleasure of participating
      each year in the celebration of the Ships Birthday every Oct.21st. The Marine
      Guard as part of the ships crew also receives our RUM ration. (Grog) We are the
      last and ONLY ship in the US NAVY to attend to the custom.


      --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, annbwass@... wrote:
      >
      > I had the honor to be part of the Fort McHenry contingent to the
      > Charlestown Navy Yard in 2000. We had the extreme privilege of a private tour
      >of
      >
      > the ship, as well as being on the USS J F Kennedy for the tall ship sail-by
      > (or whatever that is technically called.) We also did living history
      > interpretation at the Navy Yard while we there. It was definitely a
      > once-in-a-lifetime experience, all in all. Don't know that I will ever get to
      >ride the
      >
      > flight deck elevator on a carrier again, or see alcohol served on a US
      > Navy ship!
      >
      > Ann Wass
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 3/30/2011 6:07:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
      > suthren@... writes:
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > In 1992 I had the pleasure to sail into Boston harbour as crew in the
      > Canadian square-topsail schooner 'Pacific Swift', on a passage from
      > Baltimore to Halifax. We arrived at 'Constitution's' pier just as morning
      > Colors took place, and dipped our Canadian ensign to the grand old lady.
      > Her
      > crew could not have been finer hosts for tours, and it was a honor to go
      > below in such a storied ship of such importance to the USN. When we sailed
      > for Halifax we dipped ensign again and even fired a salute to her---with a
      > 10 gauge blank---but felt a much deeper sense of respect for her and her
      > huge, handsome ensign than our little gun displayed. A visit to her is
      > unforgettable, and should be a goal of every 1812 re-enactor, of whatever
      > national loyalty.
      >
      > Vic Suthren
      >
      > Canada
      >
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      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • annbwass@aol.com
      A restaurant I used to frequent served a drink called Navy grog and it had lime juice. I know lime juice was a scurvy preventative, but I thought perhaps by
      Message 2 of 22 , Apr 5, 2011
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        A restaurant I used to frequent served a drink called "Navy grog" and it had lime juice. I know lime juice was a scurvy preventative, but I thought perhaps by adding it to the grog, you took care of several problems at once.

        Ann Wass


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Tim Pickles <BritcomHMP@...>
        To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:07 am
        Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution




        Actually no Ann,s and lime lime juce were used as a preventitive for scurvy but not in grog.

        Tim

        -----Original Message-----
        From: annbwass <annbwass@...>
        To: WarOf1812 <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 3:27 am
        Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

        As a textiles person, I appreciate that origin of the term. Am I remembering correctly that lime juice was also an essential ingredient of grog?

        Ann Wass

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Tim Pickles <BritcomHMP@...>
        To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:20 am
        Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

        Interesting that the US Navy refers to the drink as 'grog'. As you are probably aware this name derives from Vice Admiral Edward Vernon RN who introduced a measure of water into the rum ration in 1740. He commonly wore a grogram cloth coat and so was nicknamed old grogram or old grog. Nice that the most 'British' of US units also keeps up a British tradition.

        Aye

        Tim

        -----Original Message-----
        From: JJ <cplusmc1812@...>
        To: WarOf1812 <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Mon, Apr 4, 2011 3:44 pm
        Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

        ANN, We,the 1812 Marine Guard have the very extreme pleasure of participating each year in the celebration of the Ships Birthday every Oct.21st. The Marine Guard as part of the ships crew also receives our RUM ration. (Grog) We are the last and ONLY ship in the US NAVY to attend to the custom.

        --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, annbwass@... wrote:
        >
        > I had the honor to be part of the Fort McHenry contingent to the
        > Charlestown Navy Yard in 2000. We had the extreme privilege of a private tour of
        > the ship, as well as being on the USS J F Kennedy for the tall ship sail-by
        > (or whatever that is technically called.) We also did living history
        > interpretation at the Navy Yard while we there. It was definitely a
        > once-in-a-lifetime experience, all in all. Don't know that I will ever get to ride the
        > flight deck elevator on a carrier again, or see alcohol served on a US
        > Navy ship!
        >
        > Ann Wass
        >
        >
        > In a message dated 3/30/2011 6:07:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
        > suthren@... writes:
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > In 1992 I had the pleasure to sail into Boston harbour as crew in the
        > Canadian square-topsail schooner 'Pacific Swift', on a passage from
        > Baltimore to Halifax. We arrived at 'Constitution's' pier just as morning
        > Colors took place, and dipped our Canadian ensign to the grand old lady.
        > Her
        > crew could not have been finer hosts for tours, and it was a honor to go
        > below in such a storied ship of such importance to the USN. When we sailed
        > for Halifax we dipped ensign again and even fired a salute to her---with a
        > 10 gauge blank---but felt a much deeper sense of respect for her and her
        > huge, handsome ensign than our little gun displayed. A visit to her is
        > unforgettable, and should be a goal of every 1812 re-enactor, of whatever
        > national loyalty.
        >
        > Vic Suthren
        >
        > Canada
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >

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      • Robert White
        Actually, I think the recipe used on Constitution does include lime juice. I do know that the grog sold by Pusser s itself also contains lime juice as I
        Message 3 of 22 , Apr 5, 2011
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          Actually, I think the recipe used on Constitution does include lime juice. I do
          know that the "grog" sold by Pusser's itself also contains lime juice as I
          bought some when visiting in Tortola where it is all produced. In fact met the
          owner there. Bob White, 1812 Marine Guard, USF Constitution.



          ________________________________
          From: Tim Pickles <BritcomHMP@...>
          To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 11:12:44 AM
          Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution


          that should have read

          limes and lime juce

          -----Original Message-----
          From: Tim Pickles <BritcomHMP@...>
          To: WarOf1812 <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:08 am
          Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

          Actually no Ann,s and lime lime juce were used as a preventitive for scurvy but
          not in grog.

          Tim

          -----Original Message-----
          From: annbwass <annbwass@...>
          To: WarOf1812 <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 3:27 am
          Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

          As a textiles person, I appreciate that origin of the term. Am I remembering
          correctly that lime juice was also an essential ingredient of grog?

          Ann Wass

          -----Original Message-----
          From: Tim Pickles <BritcomHMP@...>
          To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:20 am
          Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

          Interesting that the US Navy refers to the drink as 'grog'. As you are probably
          aware this name derives from Vice Admiral Edward Vernon RN who introduced a
          measure of water into the rum ration in 1740. He commonly wore a grogram cloth
          coat and so was nicknamed old grogram or old grog. Nice that the most 'British'
          of US units also keeps up a British tradition.

          Aye

          Tim

          -----Original Message-----
          From: JJ <cplusmc1812@...>
          To: WarOf1812 <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Mon, Apr 4, 2011 3:44 pm
          Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

          ANN, We,the 1812 Marine Guard have the very extreme pleasure of participating
          each year in the celebration of the Ships Birthday every Oct.21st. The Marine
          Guard as part of the ships crew also receives our RUM ration. (Grog) We are the
          last and ONLY ship in the US NAVY to attend to the custom.


          --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, annbwass@... wrote:
          >
          > I had the honor to be part of the Fort McHenry contingent to the
          > Charlestown Navy Yard in 2000. We had the extreme privilege of a private tour
          >of
          >
          > the ship, as well as being on the USS J F Kennedy for the tall ship sail-by
          > (or whatever that is technically called.) We also did living history
          > interpretation at the Navy Yard while we there. It was definitely a
          > once-in-a-lifetime experience, all in all. Don't know that I will ever get to
          >ride the
          >
          > flight deck elevator on a carrier again, or see alcohol served on a US
          > Navy ship!
          >
          > Ann Wass
          >
          >
          > In a message dated 3/30/2011 6:07:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
          > suthren@... writes:
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > In 1992 I had the pleasure to sail into Boston harbour as crew in the
          > Canadian square-topsail schooner 'Pacific Swift', on a passage from
          > Baltimore to Halifax. We arrived at 'Constitution's' pier just as morning
          > Colors took place, and dipped our Canadian ensign to the grand old lady.
          > Her
          > crew could not have been finer hosts for tours, and it was a honor to go
          > below in such a storied ship of such importance to the USN. When we sailed
          > for Halifax we dipped ensign again and even fired a salute to her---with a
          > 10 gauge blank---but felt a much deeper sense of respect for her and her
          > huge, handsome ensign than our little gun displayed. A visit to her is
          > unforgettable, and should be a goal of every 1812 re-enactor, of whatever
          > national loyalty.
          >
          > Vic Suthren
          >
          > Canada
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >

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        • Lee
          Dear list- In 1796, encouraged by Sir Gilbert Blane, a prominent naval surgeon, the Admiralty required in it s Regulations and Instructions Relating to his
          Message 4 of 22 , Apr 5, 2011
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            Dear list-

            In 1796, encouraged by Sir Gilbert Blane, a prominent naval surgeon, the Admiralty required in it's Regulations and Instructions Relating to his Majesty's Service at Sea that, "Lemon Juice at half an ounce per day with sugar at same amount to be allowed when on, or be proceeding to, foreign stations and to be mixed with grog or wine--BUT not while beer is being issued." This quote can be found on p. 40 of Nelson's Blood byJames Pack.

            Although any citrus would do, lemon juice was the most potent. However limes were less expensive and became the citrus of choice as time went by. I am sure that most of you know that this gave Brit sailors the nickname "Limey" that eventuated in the same word meaning any generic Brit.

            Take Care, Lee Davis,Surgeon, Royal Navy
          • charliequ2@gmail.com
            Well said sir. Should we refrain on the quality & efficacy of those...? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ... From: Lee Sender:
            Message 5 of 22 , Apr 5, 2011
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              Well said sir. Should we refrain on the quality & efficacy of those...?
              Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

              -----Original Message-----
              From: "Lee" <wartman@...>
              Sender: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:58:37
              To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
              Reply-To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: 1812 USF Constitution

              Dear list-

              In 1796, encouraged by Sir Gilbert Blane, a prominent naval surgeon, the Admiralty required in it's Regulations and Instructions Relating to his Majesty's Service at Sea that, "Lemon Juice at half an ounce per day with sugar at same amount to be allowed when on, or be proceeding to, foreign stations and to be mixed with grog or wine--BUT not while beer is being issued." This quote can be found on p. 40 of Nelson's Blood byJames Pack.

              Although any citrus would do, lemon juice was the most potent. However limes were less expensive and became the citrus of choice as time went by. I am sure that most of you know that this gave Brit sailors the nickname "Limey" that eventuated in the same word meaning any generic Brit.

              Take Care, Lee Davis,Surgeon, Royal Navy




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