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  • Norm Paul
    Thanks a lot Ray,,, P.S The Check in the mail,,, wink, wink,,, ... From: Ray Hobbs To: Sent: Wednesday,
    Message 1 of 7 , Jun 2, 2010
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      Thanks a lot Ray,,,

      P.S
      The Check in the mail,,, wink, wink,,,


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      From: "Ray Hobbs" <ray.hobbs@...>
      To: <warof1812@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:42 PM
      Subject: RE: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant


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      > Normand:
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      > As far as I am aware a Recruiting Sergeant for the Militia did not exist.
      > I have not come across such a designation in my reading of primary
      > sources. After reading some correspondence of the Executive Officer of the
      > 5th Lincoln Militia, Major Richard Hatt, it is clear that it was his
      > responsibility to call to the militia muster all the men registered
      > between the ages of 16 and 50 (later 60).
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      > On paper, the men had no choice in the matter. If they were able-bodied,
      > they were listed as Militia members. This according to the successive
      > Militia Acts of 1793, 1811 with amendments and 1812 with amendments.
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      > Unlike the volunteer army of Britain, the Upper and Lower Canadian Militia
      > units were by draft. This had its obvious drawbacks, and Hatt was
      > immediately faced with them in September 1812 when nine local men refused
      > to take the oath to the King, claiming American citizenship - even though
      > they had lived in Ancaster, Dundas and Barton (Hamilton) for over a
      > decade. Of course, the British did not recognize the notion of
      > "citizenship" regarding all inhabitants of Britain and her colonies as
      > "subjects" of the King.
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      > From Brock's correspondence, and occasional references in private accounts
      > of the war by British soldiers, it is clear that the Militia were not
      > trusted. The Militia of 1812 should be sharply distinguished from the
      > Militia units that emerged in the mid-nineteenth century, which introduced
      > a new system patterned on that seen in the British Isles.
      > A useful article introducing the subject is to be found by Frank Jones
      > "The Militia of Upper Canada: The Formative Years" in Wentworth Bygones 6
      > (1965), pp. 1-13. This is the Journal of the Head of the Lake Historical
      > Society, and can be ordered from them - check their website.
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      > 1812 Militia records, paylists, muster rolls and some regimental
      > correspondence can be found in the Library and Archives of Canada. The
      > documents are LAC RG9 1B7, vols. 1-39. These documents are an essential
      > first source of information if you are serious about historical accuracy
      > in portraying a Militia member within the Crown Forces.
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      > My two cents' worth
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      > I'll send you my research invoice at a later date :-)
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      > Ray Hobbs
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      > To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
      > From: nwpaul@...
      > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:52:40 +0000
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      > Morning Group,
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      > I'm a new recruiting sergeant for the Norfolk militia of Upper Canada
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      > Friday is my first attempt as a recruiting sergeant in Stoney Creek,
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      > And my first ever on education day to greet 1200 students, and I'm getting
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      > I need to know from you knowledgeable historians'
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      > recruiting sergeant salary in 1812
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      > new recruit salary
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      > How long is a man recruit before he becomes a soldier
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      > is the musket included, when he joins ?
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      > If any of you can answer me this I'll be well on my way
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      > I remain, sir, your most obedient servant
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      > Recruiting Sergeant; Normand Paul
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    • Norm Paul
      Thank you, Ron ... From: ronaldjdale@netscape.net To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant
      Message 2 of 7 , Jun 2, 2010
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        Thank you, Ron



        ----- Original Message -----
        From: ronaldjdale@...
        To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:43 AM
        Subject: Re: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant




        Hello Normand,

        Since every man in Upper Canada between the ages of 16 and 60 had to be enrolled in the militia, I am assuming that you are talking about recruiting sedentary militia to volunteer for the flank company of the Norfolk Militia. This would not involve the same process as recruiting in the British Isles for Regular Army recruits. I suspect that it would be a quite talk by one of influencial local Norfolk Militia officers, possibly to a young man after Church on Sunday, with a suggestion that he volunteer for active service with the flank company. No sergeant crying the town with a recruiting ribbons, drummers, etc.

        On the other hand if you are planning to represent a recruiting sergeant from a regimental depot in England or Ireland trying to entice young lads to join up, this is a different matter>

        Which is it? Your answer will dictate what information you need on pay, issue of uniforms and arms, etc.

        Ron Dale

        -----Original Message-----
        From: npaul43 <nwpaul@...>
        To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:52 am
        Subject: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant

        Morning Group,

        I'm a new recruiting sergeant for the Norfolk militia of Upper Canada
        Friday is my first attempt as a recruiting sergeant in Stoney Creek,

        And my first ever on education day to greet 1200 students, and I'm getting very nervous

        I need to know from you knowledgeable historians'

        recruiting sergeant salary in 1812
        new recruit salary
        How long is a man recruit before he becomes a soldier
        is the musket included, when he joins ?

        If any of you can answer me this I'll be well on my way

        thank you

        I remain, sir, your most obedient servant

        Recruiting Sergeant; Normand Paul

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      • roy winders
        Hi Norm, you worry too much, if  the prospective recruit is able bodied, just send him over to the Indian Dept. yrs. happy to help. ... From: Norm Paul
        Message 3 of 7 , Jun 2, 2010
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          Hi Norm,
          you worry too much, if  the prospective recruit is able bodied, just send him over
          to the Indian Dept.
          yrs. happy to help.

          --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Norm Paul <nwpaul@...> wrote:


          From: Norm Paul <nwpaul@...>
          Subject: Re: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant
          To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
          Received: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 3:42 PM


           



          Thank you, Ron

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: ronaldjdale@...
          To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:43 AM
          Subject: Re: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant

          Hello Normand,

          Since every man in Upper Canada between the ages of 16 and 60 had to be enrolled in the militia, I am assuming that you are talking about recruiting sedentary militia to volunteer for the flank company of the Norfolk Militia. This would not involve the same process as recruiting in the British Isles for Regular Army recruits. I suspect that it would be a quite talk by one of influencial local Norfolk Militia officers, possibly to a young man after Church on Sunday, with a suggestion that he volunteer for active service with the flank company. No sergeant crying the town with a recruiting ribbons, drummers, etc.

          On the other hand if you are planning to represent a recruiting sergeant from a regimental depot in England or Ireland trying to entice young lads to join up, this is a different matter>

          Which is it? Your answer will dictate what information you need on pay, issue of uniforms and arms, etc.

          Ron Dale

          -----Original Message-----
          From: npaul43 <nwpaul@...>
          To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:52 am
          Subject: 1812 Recruiting Sergeant

          Morning Group,

          I'm a new recruiting sergeant for the Norfolk militia of Upper Canada
          Friday is my first attempt as a recruiting sergeant in Stoney Creek,

          And my first ever on education day to greet 1200 students, and I'm getting very nervous

          I need to know from you knowledgeable historians'

          recruiting sergeant salary in 1812
          new recruit salary
          How long is a man recruit before he becomes a soldier
          is the musket included, when he joins ?

          If any of you can answer me this I'll be well on my way

          thank you

          I remain, sir, your most obedient servant

          Recruiting Sergeant; Normand Paul

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