Re: [War Of 1812] Defeated Areas in 1812-1814
- Both Jim and Larry make important points, and I think it reveals again the 'battle to a draw' nature of the War of 1812 that we can have such discussions rather than see without argument a clear pattern of who 'lost' and who 'won'. As an American friend reminded me recently, the war allowed Canada to have some heroes, a sense of successful self-defence, and a heightened sense of nationhood; the war also allowed the United States to have some heroes, a sense of successful self-defence, and a heightened sense of nationhood. Not too many conflicts in history can make that sort of claim. Good thing for us all that that is so, eh?
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: [War Of 1812] Defeated Areas in 1812-1814
Vic Suthren wrote:
Larry Lozon makes an important point: Perry's victory on Lake Erie
and Harrison's victory on the Thames had defeated British forces in
southwestern Ontario. . . , it would be as easy to say that the
Royal Navy's crushing blockade of the Maine-to--the-
Mississippi . . . constituted a practical defeat of United States
forces in all but a few urban areas . . .
You are obviously more versed in Navy activities during the War of
1812 than I, so I will bow to your wisdom in this matter.
I have studied the going's on in Kent and Essex Counties, Ontario
(For those subscribers not of this area - - that is the area about
fifty miles east of Detroit) I have also researched Michigan and
Ohio. Visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_Ontario
When I was a member of the 27th USI I was be able to talk to the
spectators and be fairly versed in the 27th's operations in
I researched Brock and Proctor and their attacks into Michigan
(Frenchtown, Detroit, etc.) and Ohio (Ft. Meigs). I did extensive
research on the 1st Regt. Kent Militia and the Kent Volunteers
( they were known as the Kent Volunteers after the Battle of the
Thames as the Regt. was sent to the Niagara area but a few made
their way back to Kent County to fight on in the county)
After the Battle of the Thames, Harrison distributed a Notice
telling all inhabitants of the conquered lands that if they did not
oppose the American conquest of this part of Upper Canada they could
live in peace (the document is at Fort Malden . if my memory serves
[ I am not at home and do not have access to my research as I write
All lands west of Longwoods (almost to London, Ontario) were
conquered by the Americans. Chatham, Sandwich (Windsor) was
American Territory. Harrison had beaten the Crown in this area and
had sent them running to the Niagara Peninsula.
The American plan to invade and retain Canadian territory was made a
reality in Essex, Kent, Elgin, and part of Middlesex Counties. They
were under American domination.
I do not enjoy reading a book with a biased viewpoint. Many of the
books of the War of 1812 books are (not talking about Capt.
In some books the Crown won the War if written by a Canadian and the
USA won the war if the book is written by an American.
Documents prove some battles were won by American Forces, some
battles were won by Crown Forces and some battles were a draw. Why
can't we just leave it at that?
Disclaimer: It was never my intention to claim the Battle of the
Thames was more important than the Battle of Lake Erie or any other
My statement was Harrison (USA) won the counties aforementioned by
Military force and kept these lands until the Treaty was ratified.
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