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  • James Yaworsky
    Gentlemen, as somebody who tried to get a Surrender of Detroit event established in Windsor for close to a decade (1989 to about 1999) without getting much
    Message 1 of 29 , Sep 13, 2006
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      Gentlemen, as somebody who tried to get a "Surrender of Detroit" event
      established in Windsor for close to a decade (1989 to about 1999)
      without getting much support in Windsor and getting nil support from
      Detroit, I am curious to learn that a "Detroit 2012" event is
      considered a possibility.

      I'm cycling possibilities through my mind - Windsor is, as far as I
      know, "out"; Fort Malden is close but not that close; Downtown Detroit
      appears to offer no viable venue. So are we talking Greenfield Village?

      Jim
    • spikeyj@crosslink.net
      On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:14:11 -0000 ... The casinos sometimes like a bit of spectacle in their parking lots. Spike Y Jones
      Message 2 of 29 , Sep 13, 2006
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        On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:14:11 -0000
        "James Yaworsky" <yawors1@...> wrote:
        > Gentlemen, as somebody who tried to get a "Surrender of Detroit"
        > event
        > established in Windsor for close to a decade (1989 to about 1999)
        > without getting much support in Windsor and getting nil support
        > from
        > Detroit, I am curious to learn that a "Detroit 2012" event is
        > considered a possibility.
        >
        > I'm cycling possibilities through my mind - Windsor is, as far as I
        > know, "out"; Fort Malden is close but not that close; Downtown
        > Detroit
        > appears to offer no viable venue. So are we talking Greenfield
        > Village?

        The casinos sometimes like a bit of spectacle in their parking lots.

        Spike Y Jones
      • Craig Williams
        James, Easy there big guy... The comment was directed at the obvious possibility that there will be conflicting dates anually, (as opposed to
        Message 3 of 29 , Sep 13, 2006
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          James,

          Easy there big guy...

          The comment was directed at the obvious possibility that there will
          be conflicting dates anually, (as opposed to chronologically...which
          will also happen I think).
          The example given was Detroit/Fort Erie. I stress example. I merely
          answered using the example. I'm sure there are plenty of other
          "conflicts" (heh-heh) out there to quote but I think I've made my point.
          As to Detroit doing an event? That would be up to them to get it
          together, and not three months before the anticipated anniversary.

          Craig
          On 13-Sep-06, at 10:14 AM, James Yaworsky wrote:

          > Gentlemen, as somebody who tried to get a "Surrender of Detroit" event
          > established in Windsor for close to a decade (1989 to about 1999)
          > without getting much support in Windsor and getting nil support from
          > Detroit, I am curious to learn that a "Detroit 2012" event is
          > considered a possibility.
          >
          > I'm cycling possibilities through my mind - Windsor is, as far as I
          > know, "out"; Fort Malden is close but not that close; Downtown Detroit
          > appears to offer no viable venue. So are we talking Greenfield
          > Village?
          >
          > Jim
          >
          >
          >



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        • Craig Williams
          ... Just ask Evel Kenevel ! Craig [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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            >
            > The casinos sometimes like a bit of spectacle in their parking lots.
            >
            > Spike Y Jones
            >







            Just ask Evel Kenevel !

            Craig

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          • larrylozon
            glifencible therefore Detroit in 2012 … Can we bring real weapons to Detroit? L2: Better to bring your silverware as the restaurants
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              "glifencible" <blongo [at] sears.ca>

              therefore Detroit in 2012 …

              Can we bring real weapons to Detroit?


              L2: Better to bring your silverware as the restaurants are claimed
              the best in North America (Greek Town, Mexican Town, Hamtramck for
              Polish and Ukrainian food just to mention a few)


              Interesting to note by summer 2006 there were MORE murders in
              Toronto than Detroit! (CITYTV News)

              …………………

              "James Yaworsky" <yawors1 [at] uwindsor.ca>


              Gentlemen, as somebody who tried to get a "Surrender of Detroit"
              event
              established in Windsor … So are we talking Greenfield Village?



              L2: Greenfield Village has sponsored many American Revolutionary War
              and American Civil War events why not an 1812 event. For those who
              have never been there it is bigger than Black Creek Village, Genesee
              Village and Bedford Village.. The Henry Ford Museum is next door

              Visit: www.hfmgv.org


              "glifencible" and "James Yaworsky" posts can be read in their
              entirety at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WarOf1812

              PS: I spent my wayward youth in Detroit … concerts, peeler bars,
              drag races, restaurants, MOTOWN! … didn't have time to catch any
              games … Jim you only live a tunnel bus away!

              Yrs.,
              L2
            • James Yaworsky
              ... Thanks, Craig. Hope springs eternal in the human breast. I guess I won t be marking off the weekend closest to August 16 2012 for a Detroit event just
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                --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Craig Williams <sgtwarner@...> wrote:
                >
                > As to Detroit doing an event? That would be up to them to get it
                > together, and not three months before the anticipated anniversary.
                >
                > Craig

                Thanks, Craig. Hope springs eternal in the human breast. I guess I
                won't be marking off the weekend closest to August 16 2012 for a
                "Detroit" event just yet...

                Still, it was an event of tremendous importance in the War of 1812,
                and there *should* be an event commemorating it...

                Jim
              • larrylozon
                TO: 1812 FORCES NORTH AMERICA ============================== http://1812crownforces.tripod.com has been updated with the change of command Provincial Marine
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                  TO:

                  "1812 FORCES NORTH AMERICA"


                  ==============================


                  http://1812crownforces.tripod.com

                  has been updated
                  with the change of command


                  Provincial Marine
                  David May
                  mrdavemay@...


                  and change of email address


                  Commander, Longboat Flotilla
                  CDR Peter Rindlisbacher
                  rindli@...




                  Yrs
                  L. Lozon, AdC
                • Ray Hobbs
                  Really? Toronto Police report that the average murder rate for Toronto over the past five years is 57 - in a population of 2 million. The FBI report that the
                  Message 8 of 29 , Sep 13, 2006
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                    Really?
                    Toronto Police report that the average murder rate for Toronto over the
                    past five years is 57 - in a population of 2 million.

                    The FBI report that the average murder rate for Detroit over the same
                    period is 350, in a population of one million.

                    RH

                    On 13-Sep-06, at 10:56 AM, larrylozon wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > Interesting to note by summer 2006 there were MORE murders in
                    > Toronto than Detroit! (CITYTV News)
                    >


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                  • larrylozon
                    Ray Hobbs wrote: Toronto Police report that the average murder rate for Toronto over the past five years ….. CITYTV News (Toronto TV) reported that in 2006
                    Message 9 of 29 , Sep 13, 2006
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                      Ray Hobbs wrote:

                      Toronto Police report that the average murder rate for Toronto over the
                      past five years …..



                      CITYTV News (Toronto TV) reported that in 2006 there were MORE murders
                      in Toronto than Detroit up to the summer of 2006

                      They didn't say anything about the last five years

                      Yhs
                      L2
                    • Ian Gardner
                      It also begs the question of whether that s really an occassion that most Detroiters would want to acknowledge. Ian Craig Williams
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                        It also begs the question of whether that's really an occassion that most Detroiters would want to acknowledge.

                        Ian

                        Craig Williams <sgtwarner@...> wrote: James,

                        Easy there big guy...

                        The comment was directed at the obvious possibility that there will
                        be conflicting dates anually, (as opposed to chronologically...which
                        will also happen I think).
                        The example given was Detroit/Fort Erie. I stress example. I merely
                        answered using the example. I'm sure there are plenty of other
                        "conflicts" (heh-heh) out there to quote but I think I've made my point.
                        As to Detroit doing an event? That would be up to them to get it
                        together, and not three months before the anticipated anniversary.

                        Craig
                        On 13-Sep-06, at 10:14 AM, James Yaworsky wrote:

                        > Gentlemen, as somebody who tried to get a "Surrender of Detroit" event
                        > established in Windsor for close to a decade (1989 to about 1999)
                        > without getting much support in Windsor and getting nil support from
                        > Detroit, I am curious to learn that a "Detroit 2012" event is
                        > considered a possibility.
                        >
                        > I'm cycling possibilities through my mind - Windsor is, as far as I
                        > know, "out"; Fort Malden is close but not that close; Downtown Detroit
                        > appears to offer no viable venue. So are we talking Greenfield
                        > Village?
                        >
                        > Jim
                        >
                        >
                        >



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                      • larrylozon
                        Huzzah to Jim Yaworsky – WarOf1812 Yahoo Group owner for his hard work and diligence changing the images at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WarOf1812 Three
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                          Huzzah to Jim Yaworsky – WarOf1812 Yahoo Group owner

                          for his hard work and diligence changing the images at
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WarOf1812


                          Three cheers fo MAD DOG!
                          hip ... hip ...
                        • James Yaworsky
                          ... most Detroiters would want to acknowledge. ... Excellent point! We approached some historical groups in Detroit for our event in Windsor (held on the
                          Message 12 of 29 , Sep 13, 2006
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                            --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Ian Gardner <igardner@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > It also begs the question of whether that's really an occassion that
                            most Detroiters would want to acknowledge.
                            >
                            > Ian

                            Excellent point! We approached some historical groups in Detroit for
                            our event in Windsor (held on the riverfront within sight of the site
                            of Fort Detroit, close to where Brock's battery was set up) and
                            although some individuals gave their personal enthusiastic support, we
                            had no real response of any sort - not even a surly "sod off" - from
                            any "official" group.

                            The overall impression I got was that anything that happened before
                            Henry Ford and the industrialization of Detroit doesn't merit much
                            interest, and a disaster like what happened in August 1812 doesn't
                            merit any interest whatsoever.

                            Detroit put on a good commemoration of their 300th anniversary in
                            2001, using reenactors to portray members of Cadillac's party,
                            although the vast bulk of the population took no notice of what was
                            going on. And there are Rev War and Civil War reenactments at
                            Greenfield Village - again, for the usual select audience. But then,
                            how many "average" people in the area notice Stoney Creek, Fort
                            George, Fort Erie, etc., when their events are held?

                            Perhaps the general public's opinion is not the decisive factor in
                            determining whether an event will take place or not. You can't have
                            an event without some organization taking responsibility for
                            organizing and then running it, so that's what counts.

                            Still, it takes a special kind of fortitude for the members of even a
                            "history buff" organization to "commemorate" a disastrous fiasco,
                            especially one which hardly caused even a temporary blip in the
                            ongoing development of the Detroit region. It's not like the Battle
                            of Hastings in 1066, which changed England forevermore! (and
                            apologies to any Anglo-Saxons who think I was implying that King
                            Harold's forces didn't put up a valiant fight... I meant no
                            disrespect! It was a disaster, but not a fiasco...)

                            Chatham has held a regular reenactment of the Battle of Moraviantown,
                            which was hardly a glorious defeat for the home team. Can this example
                            be used to motivate Detroiters? I suspect not. Chatham at least has
                            Tecumseh's heroics to remember. Usually if you can't commemorate a
                            victory, you want to be able to at least commemorate an heroic, if
                            failed, effort, like the 1814 night attack on Fort Erie.

                            I suspect Ian's right and any commemoration of Detroit 1812 is going
                            to have to take place on the Canadian side of the river. If so, the
                            current prognosis for this happening does not appear to be a good one...

                            Jim
                          • Ray Hobbs
                            Then I ll be more specific :-) Toronto - From January to September 2006 (eight and a half months) - 46 murders Detroit - From January to April 15 2006 (three
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                              Then I'll be more specific :-)

                              Toronto - From January to September 2006 (eight and a half months) - 46
                              murders
                              Detroit - From January to April 15 2006 (three and a half months) - 106
                              murders

                              Sources - the Toronto Police, and the Detroit Police.

                              Close to the five-year average.

                              RH


                              On 13-Sep-06, at 12:05 PM, larrylozon wrote:

                              > Ray Hobbs wrote:
                              >
                              > Toronto Police report that the average murder rate for Toronto over
                              > the
                              > past five years …..
                              >
                              > CITYTV News (Toronto TV) reported that in 2006 there were MORE murders
                              > in Toronto than Detroit up to the summer of 2006
                              >
                              > They didn't say anything about the last five years
                              >
                              > Yhs
                              > L2
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >

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                            • Todd Post
                              Jim, Last year, the Revolutionary War community commemorated the 225th of the Siege of Charleston, which was a disaster (one of the largest surrenders in
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                                Jim,

                                Last year, the Revolutionary War community commemorated the 225th of the Siege of Charleston, which was a disaster (one of the largest surrenders in American history) and a fiasco (Whipple's fleet made no challenge to the Royal Navy and scuttled his fleet without a fight, even though he had a sandbar and two batteries which kept them out in 1776) and it was one of the larger events of the year with people coming in from Canada and California just to surrender.

                                Charleston is a smaller city than Detroit, but we couldn't do the event downtown either since only open spaces were small city parks, so we did it out at the plantations up the Ashley River. We focused on the battles that lead to the siege and did a commemorative surrender ceremony, and I think it came off quite well.

                                While doing commemorative events on actual dates and on actual land is always preferable, it definitely can be done successfully if circumstances do not allow those conditions today.

                                Cheers,
                                Todd Post

                                > Still, it takes a special kind of fortitude for the members of
                                > even a "history buff" organization to "commemorate" a disastrous
                                > fiasco, especially one which hardly caused even a temporary blip
                                > in the ongoing development of the Detroit region. It's not like
                                > the Battle of Hastings in 1066, which changed England
                                > forevermore! (and apologies to any Anglo-Saxons who think I was
                                > implying that King Harold's forces didn't put up a valiant
                                > fight... I meant no disrespect! It was a disaster, but not a
                                > fiasco...)
                              • Ian Gardner
                                Somehow, I suspect that cannon and musket fire from the Canadian side of the river would receive a warm reception of entirely the wrong kind. Ian ... most
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                                  Somehow, I suspect that cannon and musket fire from the Canadian side of the river would receive a 'warm' reception of entirely the wrong kind.

                                  Ian

                                  James Yaworsky <yawors1@...> wrote: --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Ian Gardner wrote:
                                  >
                                  > It also begs the question of whether that's really an occassion that
                                  most Detroiters would want to acknowledge.
                                  >
                                  > Ian

                                  Excellent point! We approached some historical groups in Detroit for
                                  our event in Windsor (held on the riverfront within sight of the site
                                  of Fort Detroit, close to where Brock's battery was set up) and
                                  although some individuals gave their personal enthusiastic support, we
                                  had no real response of any sort - not even a surly "sod off" - from
                                  any "official" group.

                                  I suspect Ian's right and any commemoration of Detroit 1812 is going
                                  to have to take place on the Canadian side of the river. If so, the
                                  current prognosis for this happening does not appear to be a good one...

                                  Jim


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                                • Ian Gardner
                                  Larry, I work in television and I d take the stats with a grain of salt. The tendency to overstate is a direct result of people s ability to channel-surf
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                                    Larry,

                                    I work in television and I'd take the 'stats' with a grain of salt. The tendency to overstate is a direct result of people's ability to channel-surf during shows. So you have to grab their attention with something.....anything. The working axiom of modern journalism of all stripes is "if it bleeds, it leads".

                                    HTH
                                    Ian

                                    Ray Hobbs <ray.hobbs@...> wrote: Then I'll be more specific :-)

                                    Toronto - From January to September 2006 (eight and a half months) - 46
                                    murders
                                    Detroit - From January to April 15 2006 (three and a half months) - 106
                                    murders

                                    Sources - the Toronto Police, and the Detroit Police.

                                    Close to the five-year average.

                                    RH


                                    On 13-Sep-06, at 12:05 PM, larrylozon wrote:

                                    > Ray Hobbs wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Toronto Police report that the average murder rate for Toronto over
                                    > the
                                    > past five years …..
                                    >
                                    > CITYTV News (Toronto TV) reported that in 2006 there were MORE murders
                                    > in Toronto than Detroit up to the summer of 2006
                                    >
                                    > They didn't say anything about the last five years
                                    >
                                    > Yhs
                                    > L2
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >

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                                    The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...

                                    Unit Contact information for North America:
                                    Crown Forces Unit Listing:
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                                  • Jim Hill
                                    Some excellent points on events. Based on some unofficial and unscientific polling. I would say that most attendees at our events in Niagara are local - say
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                                      Some excellent points on events.

                                      Based on some unofficial and unscientific polling. I would say that
                                      most attendees at our events in Niagara are local - say within 60
                                      miles of the event.

                                      Even with Niagara Falls 20 minutes down the highway and posters
                                      telling people about the event, we mainly have locals from the
                                      Niagara Region and Western New York. Having events at the height of
                                      summer to draw large numbers of tourists and reenactors does not
                                      always pay off and I think this has been discussed here before.

                                      We had more paying visitors and did more business in our shop during
                                      the Sunday of our Fenian Event in June '06 than we did on the Sunday
                                      of our Siege in August '05.


                                      The passport requirements will do more damage to cross border events
                                      than: weather, calendars, gun laws or lack of interest.

                                      I think the reenacting community should point out to governments on
                                      both sides that we may be celebrating 200 years of peace by shutting
                                      down the border.


                                      Jim


                                      But then,
                                      > how many "average" people in the area notice Stoney Creek, Fort
                                      > George, Fort Erie, etc., when their events are held?
                                      >
                                    • larrylozon
                                      Ian Gardner wrote: Larry, I work in television and I d take the stats with a grain of salt. Gee Whiz Ian! I was told that everything that came out of Toronto
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                                        Ian Gardner wrote:

                                        Larry,

                                        I work in television and I'd take the 'stats' with a grain of salt.







                                        Gee Whiz Ian!

                                        I was told that everything that came out of Toronto was the
                                        Heaven's Truth!

                                        Now you tell me to take their TV stations with a grain of salt …


                                        That's not all ...

                                        I know Dr. Hobb's rate and since he has stated two statistics I will
                                        have too get a mortgage to pay him!


                                        Yrs
                                        L2
                                      • James Yaworsky
                                        ... side of the river would receive a warm reception of entirely the wrong kind. ... Actually, the sound of cannon (we had one from Fort Meigs on several
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                                          --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Ian Gardner <igardner@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Somehow, I suspect that cannon and musket fire from the Canadian
                                          side of the river would receive a 'warm' reception of entirely the
                                          wrong kind.
                                          >
                                          > Ian

                                          Actually, the sound of cannon (we had one from Fort Meigs on several
                                          occasions) and extensive musket fire echoed off the skyscrapers in
                                          downtown Detroit in a most interesting (and loud) fashion.

                                          At the time, several of our comrades who were present jokingly
                                          wondered if it would provoke *real* return fire... but there was no
                                          problem.

                                          Of course, this was before 9/11 and I suspect the Detroit police or
                                          the border authorities might indeed wonder what was going on if we did
                                          it today. Then again, can't gunfire can be heard in the U.S. when
                                          events are staged at Fort George or Fort Erie? Have there been
                                          problems at any Niagara border venue?

                                          Needless to say, us laid-back Canucks take no notice when we hear
                                          gunfire on the U.S. side... <grin>

                                          Jim
                                        • John Harris
                                          ... Ya ll come back to Toronto !! We missed you the first time !! John Harris PS- If it was on TV it has to correct , right? PSS- Ahh, CITY TV ! World class
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                                            --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "larrylozon" <larrylozon@...> wrote:
                                            >>
                                            > Interesting to note by summer 2006 there were MORE murders in
                                            > Toronto than Detroit! (CITYTV News)

                                            Ya'll come back to Toronto !! We missed you the first time !!

                                            John Harris
                                            PS- If it was on TV it has to correct , right?
                                            PSS- Ahh, CITY TV ! World class journalism at it's finest !!
                                            8^)
                                          • larrylozon
                                            John Harris wrote Ya ll come back to Toronto !! We missed you the first time !! PS- If it was on TV it has to correct , right? PSS- Ahh, CITY TV ! World
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                                              "John Harris" wrote

                                              Ya'll come back to Toronto !! We missed you the first time !!

                                              PS- If it was on TV it has to correct , right?
                                              PSS- Ahh, CITY TV ! World class journalism at it's finest !!
                                              8^)





                                              Mr. Harris

                                              It is getting harder because

                                              Toronto = Trawnna

                                              And Trawnna's city limits are
                                              Kitchener, Barrie, Peterborough and St. Cathrines


                                              And if CITY TV is world Class ... what is GLOBAL ?!?



                                              Time for supper and single malt

                                              Yrs

                                              L2
                                            • Ian Gardner
                                              Don t get me started on Global! :) CITY has an alternate name that I ll let you guess at. Ian P.S. CITY has it s moments but it s hard for it to shake it
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                                                Don't get me started on Global! :)

                                                CITY has an alternate name that I'll let you guess at.

                                                Ian

                                                P.S. CITY has it's moments but it's hard for it to shake it 'Disco News'
                                                rep.

                                                Ian

                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                Behalf Of larrylozon
                                                Sent: September 13, 2006 5:49 PM
                                                To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
                                                Subject: [WarOf1812] "Toronto" was "Detroit"

                                                "John Harris" wrote

                                                Ya'll come back to Toronto !! We missed you the first time !!

                                                PS- If it was on TV it has to correct , right?
                                                PSS- Ahh, CITY TV ! World class journalism at it's finest !!
                                                8^)





                                                Mr. Harris

                                                It is getting harder because

                                                Toronto = Trawnna

                                                And Trawnna's city limits are
                                                Kitchener, Barrie, Peterborough and St. Cathrines


                                                And if CITY TV is world Class ... what is GLOBAL ?!?



                                                Time for supper and single malt

                                                Yrs

                                                L2









                                                The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
                                                of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of
                                                THOUSANDS of square miles...

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                                                Crown Forces Unit Listing:
                                                http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
                                                American Forces Unit Listing
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                                              • larrylozon
                                                (Those subscribers of this Yahoo Group who not live in Central Ontario hang on just a minute ... altho Mr. Catley, Squire, Major Pain, etc. … you may be
                                                Message 23 of 29 , Sep 14, 2006
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                                                  (Those subscribers of this Yahoo Group who not live in Central
                                                  Ontario hang on just a minute ... altho Mr. Catley, Squire, Major
                                                  Pain, etc. … you may be interested...)

                                                  We in Kitchener (an hour west of Toronto) are serviced by Rogers
                                                  Cable TV and receive news on

                                                  A-Channel
                                                  Global
                                                  CTV
                                                  CityTV
                                                  CablePulse24
                                                  Omni 1
                                                  Omni 2
                                                  TVOntario

                                                  The above are the Canadian TV stations
                                                  (I have not listed ABC, NBC, etc American TV stations)



                                                  Mr. Gardner


                                                  I understand what you are saying,

                                                  'TV that reports news on Toronto should be taken as the OSPREY BOOKS

                                                  Enjoy them but do not believe 100% of what they report'


                                                  Yrs
                                                  L2

                                                  Now back to 1812 ...
                                                • Ian Gardner
                                                  Oh I wouldn t be limiting it to north of the border, Larry. Cousin Jonathan s media outlets are as worthy of taking with a grain of salt. In fact, I d venture
                                                  Message 24 of 29 , Sep 14, 2006
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                                                    Oh I wouldn't be limiting it to north of the border, Larry. Cousin Jonathan's media outlets are as worthy of taking with a grain of salt. In fact, I'd venture they could teach us a thing or two. :)

                                                    Ian

                                                    larrylozon <larrylozon@...> wrote:

                                                    (Those subscribers of this Yahoo Group who not live in Central
                                                    Ontario hang on just a minute ... altho Mr. Catley, Squire, Major
                                                    Pain, etc. … you may be interested...)

                                                    We in Kitchener (an hour west of Toronto) are serviced by Rogers
                                                    Cable TV and receive news on

                                                    A-Channel
                                                    Global
                                                    CTV
                                                    CityTV
                                                    CablePulse24
                                                    Omni 1
                                                    Omni 2
                                                    TVOntario

                                                    The above are the Canadian TV stations
                                                    (I have not listed ABC, NBC, etc American TV stations)



                                                    Mr. Gardner


                                                    I understand what you are saying,

                                                    'TV that reports news on Toronto should be taken as the OSPREY BOOKS

                                                    Enjoy them but do not believe 100% of what they report'


                                                    Yrs
                                                    L2

                                                    Now back to 1812 ...












                                                    The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...

                                                    Unit Contact information for North America:
                                                    Crown Forces Unit Listing:
                                                    http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
                                                    American Forces Unit Listing
                                                    http://usforces1812.tripod.com

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                                                  • larrylozon
                                                    Ian Gardner wrote: Oh I wouldn t be limiting it to north of the border ... Ian I shall only limit myself to comments re: north of the border
                                                    Message 25 of 29 , Sep 14, 2006
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                                                      Ian Gardner <igardner@...> wrote:

                                                      Oh I wouldn't be limiting it to north of the border ...




                                                      Ian

                                                      I shall only limit myself to comments re: north of the border
                                                      (Ontario/Canada)

                                                      I don't live south of the border (USA) and don't feel capable to
                                                      comment on their things

                                                      I do however enjoy American Beer, Southern State coffee, Ryan's
                                                      Cafeteria and Cynda Abolt's mint-juleps! ... to mention a few

                                                      Yrs
                                                      L2
                                                    • Five Rivers Chapmanry
                                                      You omitted our much beloved CBC. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and
                                                      Message 26 of 29 , Sep 15, 2006
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                                                        You omitted our much beloved CBC.



                                                        Regards,

                                                        Lorina

                                                        Five Rivers Chapmanry

                                                        purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage,
                                                        re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more.

                                                        519-799-5577 info@... - www.5rivers.org





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                                                      • Larry Lozon
                                                        ============================== 1812 FORCES NORTH AMERICA Unit Commanders, Please Inform your members ==============================
                                                        Message 27 of 29 , May 28 11:55 AM
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                                                          ==============================

                                                          "1812 FORCES NORTH AMERICA"

                                                          Unit Commanders,

                                                          Please Inform your members
                                                          ==============================

                                                          http://1812crownforces.tripod.com

                                                          has been updated

                                                          re: email address changes




                                                          L. Lozon ~ AdC
                                                          Crown Forces North America
                                                        • Larry Lozon
                                                          I don t know how Detroit event (not a joke) was posted to my post L. Lozon
                                                          Message 28 of 29 , May 28 12:07 PM
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                                                            I don't know how

                                                            "Detroit" event (not a joke)

                                                            was posted to my post




                                                            L. Lozon
                                                          • Larry Lozon
                                                            http://1812crownforces.tripod.com now refelects Mr. Hobbs position Aide De Camp to Mr. Williams Raymond Hobbs ray.hobbs@sympatico.ca Mr. Hobbs,
                                                            Message 29 of 29 , Apr 2, 2009
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                                                              http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
                                                              now refelects Mr. Hobbs' position

                                                              Aide De Camp to Mr. Williams
                                                              Raymond Hobbs
                                                              ray.hobbs@...


                                                              Mr. Hobbs,
                                                              Congratulations


                                                              As for

                                                              The Crown Forces Infantry Officer & NCO School of Instruction
                                                              Apr 25 at Fort George in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario

                                                              'ONLY' Crown Forces Officers and NCO's are to attend
                                                              and those attending are to be in in Privates kit (if avail.)

                                                              If the same as last year
                                                              8:00 AM to 9:00 AM is Registration

                                                              What else would the good Sgt. Major have to know?

                                                              be there,
                                                              be squar'ed (away),
                                                              n' help with registration



                                                              Yrs.,
                                                              L2
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