Re: A question for the Navy types out there.
- So there were actually TWO Growlers!!! No bloody wonder the
information regarding the ship is so friggin' confused... various
authors have been confused beween the two, which both sailed at the
same time and in different theatres of the same conflict.
Nice work, Rich. That clears up an issue that's been bugging me for a
--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Rich Parkinson"
> I'm obviously not a navy type ;) but I came across this at
>Ontario during 1812, and was first commanded by Sailing Master M. P.
> Growler, a wooden sloop, was purchased as Experiment on Lake
Mix. She was actively employed with Chauncey's squadron on Lake
Ontario from 1812 to 1814. Growler took part in attacks on Kingston,
York, and Fort George and the engagement with the British squadron 7
to 11 August 1813. She was captured by the British 10 August 1813.
Recaptured 5 October 1813, Growler was libelled and purchased by the
Navy, rejoining the squadron. The British captured her again 5 May
1814 at Oswego, N.Y., and she was taken into the Royal Navy as
>She cruised under the command of Lt. Sidney Smith as part of
> The second Growler was a sloop purchased on Lake Champlain in 1812.
Commodore Macdonough's squadron until she was taken by the British
near Isle Aux Noix, Canada, 3 June 1813. Growler was then taken into
the Royal Navy as Shannon, and later Chub. Under the latter name she
was captured by the American Squadron in the Battle of Lake Champlain
11 September 1814. She saw no further service however, and was sold
at Whitehall, N.Y. in July 1815.
> R. Parkinson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Hobbs
> To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:05 PM
> Subject: [WarOf1812] A question for the Navy types out there.
> I have looked at all the references I can lay my hands on and
> puzzle to solve about the naming of US ships during the War of1812.
> I have come across two US ships named the "Growler" during the
> 1812. One was an 11-gun sloop (112 tons) that was captured by theChubb
> British at Ile aux Noix in early June, 1813. It was renamed HMS
> and took part in Murray's raid on Plattsburgh in July 1813.several
> There is another of the same name (Growler) which took part in
> engagements on Lake Ontario in 1813 - running aground, and beingand
> captured in August 1813. This latter ship was smaller (85 tons),
> carried two guns (a 32lb carronade and a 12 pdr).earlier
> What confuses me is that the second Growler was also involved
> in the year, in April 1813 in the attack on York. This suggeststo me
> that there must have been two ships of the same name sailing atthe
> same time under the US flag.
> Can anyone sort this one out, or throw any light on it for me?
> Many thanks
> Ray Hobbs
> 41st Regt.
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