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  • suthren@magma.ca
    Shipmates Hand to hand re-enactment is unlikely to form part of Naval Establishment activity at any point, for reasons explained in the recent full discussion
    Message 1 of 13 , Apr 30, 2006
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      Shipmates

      Hand to hand re-enactment is unlikely to form part of Naval Establishment activity at any point, for reasons explained in the recent full discussion that took place here.

      HOWEVER, for those who still wish to pursue the simulated introduction of cold steel thrust between gut and bladder, their bloodthirsty aspirations may find relief at

      http://www.historicalmaritimecombat.com

      Happy slicing and dicing...

      Yours in unarmed horror

      Vic Suthren

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    • Peter Monahan
      Vic Scary stuff! Peter ============================================================ From: Date: 2006/04/30 Sun AM 11:24:44 EST To:
      Message 2 of 13 , Apr 30, 2006
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        Vic

        Scary stuff!

        Peter
        ============================================================
        From: <suthren@...>
        Date: 2006/04/30 Sun AM 11:24:44 EST
        To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
        Subject: [WarOf1812] Hand to Hand

        Shipmates

        Hand to hand re-enactment is unlikely to form part of Naval Establishment activity at any point, for reasons explained in the recent full discussion that took place here.

        HOWEVER, for those who still wish to pursue the simulated introduction of cold steel thrust between gut and bladder, their bloodthirsty aspirations may find relief at

        http://www.historicalmaritimecombat.com

        Happy slicing and dicing...

        Yours in unarmed horror

        Vic Suthren

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        The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...

        Unit Contact information for North America:
        ---------------------------------
        Crown Forces Unit Listing:
        http://1812crownforces.tripod.com

        American Forces Unit Listing
        http://usforces1812.tripod.com
        Yahoo! Groups Links





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      • Craig Williams
        EEEEYIKES! This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me icky! I mean what are these guys wearing and why do they have facial hair? And why do these pictures
        Message 3 of 13 , Apr 30, 2006
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          EEEEYIKES!

          This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me icky!
          I mean what are these guys wearing and why do they have facial hair?
          And why do these pictures look like they came from the initial
          training session for that "Pyrate" show at the Las Vegas casino?

          EEEW!

          Ok...I'm OK now. Just keep breathing deeply...Please don't show me
          any more scary pictures Vic. (what did I ever do to you?)

          Craig
          >


          > HOWEVER, for those who still wish to pursue the simulated
          > introduction of cold steel thrust between gut and bladder, their
          > bloodthirsty aspirations may find relief at
          >
          > http://www.historicalmaritimecombat.com
        • suthren@magma.ca
          Jeez. Sorry. Vic ... From: Craig Williams To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re:
          Message 4 of 13 , Apr 30, 2006
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            Jeez. Sorry.
            Vic
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Craig Williams" <sgtwarner@...>
            To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:32 PM
            Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Hand to Hand


            > EEEEYIKES!
            >
            > This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me icky!
            > I mean what are these guys wearing and why do they have facial hair?
            > And why do these pictures look like they came from the initial
            > training session for that "Pyrate" show at the Las Vegas casino?
            >
            > EEEW!
            >
            > Ok...I'm OK now. Just keep breathing deeply...Please don't show me
            > any more scary pictures Vic. (what did I ever do to you?)
            >
            > Craig
            > >
            >
            >
            > > HOWEVER, for those who still wish to pursue the simulated
            > > introduction of cold steel thrust between gut and bladder, their
            > > bloodthirsty aspirations may find relief at
            > >
            > > http://www.historicalmaritimecombat.com
            >
            >
            >
            > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
            square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
            square miles...
            >
            > Unit Contact information for North America:
            > ---------------------------------
            > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
            > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
            >
            > American Forces Unit Listing
            > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
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          • suthren@magma.ca
            Er...yeah. Think I ll stick to less nasty pursuits in history... Vic ... From: Peter Monahan To: Sent:
            Message 5 of 13 , Apr 30, 2006
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              Er...yeah. Think I'll stick to less nasty pursuits in history...
              Vic
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Peter Monahan" <petemonahan@...>
              To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:05 PM
              Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Hand to Hand


              > Vic
              >
              > Scary stuff!
              >
              > Peter
              > ============================================================
              > From: <suthren@...>
              > Date: 2006/04/30 Sun AM 11:24:44 EST
              > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
              > Subject: [WarOf1812] Hand to Hand
              >
              > Shipmates
              >
              > Hand to hand re-enactment is unlikely to form part of Naval Establishment
              activity at any point, for reasons explained in the recent full discussion
              that took place here.
              >
              > HOWEVER, for those who still wish to pursue the simulated introduction of
              cold steel thrust between gut and bladder, their bloodthirsty aspirations
              may find relief at
              >
              > http://www.historicalmaritimecombat.com
              >
              > Happy slicing and dicing...
              >
              > Yours in unarmed horror
              >
              > Vic Suthren
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
              >
              >
              > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
              square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
              square miles...
              >
              > Unit Contact information for North America:
              > ---------------------------------
              > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
              > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
              >
              > American Forces Unit Listing
              > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ============================================================
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
              square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
              square miles...
              >
              > Unit Contact information for North America:
              > ---------------------------------
              > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
              > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
              >
              > American Forces Unit Listing
              > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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            • Dale Kidd
              Dear heavens, an Admiral speaking against close combat? You shall be doomed to be the most indebted admiral in the Navy, sir, I am certain. It is most
              Message 6 of 13 , May 1, 2006
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                Dear heavens, an Admiral speaking against close combat? You shall be
                doomed to be the most indebted admiral in the Navy, sir, I am certain.
                It is most difficult to accumulate prize-money without our boarding
                and taking ships, which admittedly tends to be very messy business.

                And true glory is only found by those naval officers who seek out the
                most harrowing of close combat with the enemy. How else would one rise
                to the level of a Nelson? (Though, admittedly, his glory might have
                been a tad greater, especially for him, had he avoided that frog
                marksman...)

                :^D

                ~Dale
              • suthren@magma.ca
                Why, Dale, there s a lad wiv is tops ls drawin rightly, true as paint ye be wiv that broadside, mate, true as a new-scraped carrot. Mark me, when next we
                Message 7 of 13 , May 1, 2006
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                  Why, Dale, there's a lad wiv 'is tops'ls drawin' rightly, true as paint ye
                  be wiv that broadside, mate, true as a new-scraped carrot. Mark me, when
                  next we puts to sea, it' ll be Cut an' Rip, an' No Quarter, there's me davvy
                  on it, an', by Thunder, them's as dies will be the lucky ones....

                  Vic Suthren
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Dale Kidd" <ucpm_gunner@...>
                  To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:36 AM
                  Subject: [WarOf1812] Re: Hand to Hand


                  > Dear heavens, an Admiral speaking against close combat? You shall be
                  > doomed to be the most indebted admiral in the Navy, sir, I am certain.
                  > It is most difficult to accumulate prize-money without our boarding
                  > and taking ships, which admittedly tends to be very messy business.
                  >
                  > And true glory is only found by those naval officers who seek out the
                  > most harrowing of close combat with the enemy. How else would one rise
                  > to the level of a Nelson? (Though, admittedly, his glory might have
                  > been a tad greater, especially for him, had he avoided that frog
                  > marksman...)
                  >
                  > :^D
                  >
                  > ~Dale
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
                  square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
                  square miles...
                  >
                  > Unit Contact information for North America:
                  > ---------------------------------
                  > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
                  > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
                  >
                  > American Forces Unit Listing
                  > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                • BritcomHMP@aol.com
                  In a message dated 01/05/2006 02:39:14 Central Standard Time, ucpm_gunner@yahoo.ca writes: How else would one rise to the level of a Nelson? (Though,
                  Message 8 of 13 , May 1, 2006
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                    In a message dated 01/05/2006 02:39:14 Central Standard Time,
                    ucpm_gunner@... writes:

                    How else would one rise
                    to the level of a Nelson? (Though, admittedly, his glory might have
                    been a tad greater, especially for him, had he avoided that frog
                    marksman...)






                    Actualy I think getting killed as you acheve your greatest triumph is priety
                    much the way to secure everlasting glory!


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                  • suthren@magma.ca
                    Yes. Seems to have been the pattern. Wolfe, Nelson, certainly others.... Vic ... From: To: Sent: Monday, May
                    Message 9 of 13 , May 1, 2006
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                      Yes. Seems to have been the pattern. Wolfe, Nelson, certainly others....

                      Vic
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: <BritcomHMP@...>
                      To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:52 AM
                      Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Re: Hand to Hand


                      >
                      > In a message dated 01/05/2006 02:39:14 Central Standard Time,
                      > ucpm_gunner@... writes:
                      >
                      > How else would one rise
                      > to the level of a Nelson? (Though, admittedly, his glory might have
                      > been a tad greater, especially for him, had he avoided that frog
                      > marksman...)
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Actualy I think getting killed as you acheve your greatest triumph is
                      priety
                      > much the way to secure everlasting glory!
                      >
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
                      square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
                      square miles...
                      >
                      > Unit Contact information for North America:
                      > ---------------------------------
                      > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
                      > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
                      >
                      > American Forces Unit Listing
                      > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                    • Gordon Deans
                      Fie on you. Speak not of dear Nelson when it was truly our loyal Collingwood that won the Battle of Trafalgar. How did these myths get started? I believe
                      Message 10 of 13 , May 1, 2006
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                        Fie on you. Speak not of dear Nelson when it was truly our loyal
                        Collingwood that won the Battle of Trafalgar. How did these myths get
                        started? I believe Nelson ended up on the orlop deck, hardly a great rise
                        to aspire to.

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Dale Kidd" <ucpm_gunner@...>
                        To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:36 AM
                        Subject: [WarOf1812] Re: Hand to Hand


                        > Dear heavens, an Admiral speaking against close combat? You shall be
                        > doomed to be the most indebted admiral in the Navy, sir, I am certain.
                        > It is most difficult to accumulate prize-money without our boarding
                        > and taking ships, which admittedly tends to be very messy business.
                        >
                        > And true glory is only found by those naval officers who seek out the
                        > most harrowing of close combat with the enemy. How else would one rise
                        > to the level of a Nelson? (Though, admittedly, his glory might have
                        > been a tad greater, especially for him, had he avoided that frog
                        > marksman...)
                        >
                        > :^D
                        >
                        > ~Dale
                      • Lalozon
                        From: Gordon Deans Speak not of dear Nelson when it was truly our loyal Collingwood that won the Battle of Trafalgar Mr.
                        Message 11 of 13 , May 1, 2006
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                          From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@...>


                          " Speak not of dear Nelson when it was truly our loyal Collingwood that won
                          the Battle of Trafalgar "





                          Mr. Williams,

                          How does Nelson figure into Hand to Hand ?!?
                          Look at the subject ........


                          Yrs.,

                          L2

                          Fantasy is the last refuge of the Gentleman!
                          -Peter Catley-
                        • suthren@magma.ca
                          Fighting spirit is all very well, but perhaps more of our revered heroes might have given some thought to the value they would be to their nation and the men
                          Message 12 of 13 , May 1, 2006
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                            Fighting spirit is all very well, but perhaps more of our revered heroes
                            might have given some thought to the value they would be to their nation and
                            the men they led if they had made arrangements to have an even chance of
                            surviving instead of croaking with glory. Brock leading the lads up the
                            slope at Queenston and Nelson standing about on the open deck of VICTORY
                            with all his orders and decorations on come to mind as brave actions, but
                            not entirely responsible ones. Canada needed Brock alive, not a heroic
                            corpse shovelled into the ramparts of Fort George. And the Brits (not to
                            mention Emma Hamilton) could have found a few more uses for Horatio...

                            Vic
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@...>
                            To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:52 PM
                            Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Re: Hand to Hand


                            > Fie on you. Speak not of dear Nelson when it was truly our loyal
                            > Collingwood that won the Battle of Trafalgar. How did these myths get
                            > started? I believe Nelson ended up on the orlop deck, hardly a great rise
                            > to aspire to.
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: "Dale Kidd" <ucpm_gunner@...>
                            > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:36 AM
                            > Subject: [WarOf1812] Re: Hand to Hand
                            >
                            >
                            > > Dear heavens, an Admiral speaking against close combat? You shall be
                            > > doomed to be the most indebted admiral in the Navy, sir, I am certain.
                            > > It is most difficult to accumulate prize-money without our boarding
                            > > and taking ships, which admittedly tends to be very messy business.
                            > >
                            > > And true glory is only found by those naval officers who seek out the
                            > > most harrowing of close combat with the enemy. How else would one rise
                            > > to the level of a Nelson? (Though, admittedly, his glory might have
                            > > been a tad greater, especially for him, had he avoided that frog
                            > > marksman...)
                            > >
                            > > :^D
                            > >
                            > > ~Dale
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
                            square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
                            square miles...
                            >
                            > Unit Contact information for North America:
                            > ---------------------------------
                            > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
                            > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
                            >
                            > American Forces Unit Listing
                            > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
                            > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
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                          • James Krause
                            WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Hand to Hand From: Craig Williams 2. Longwoods tactical
                            Message 13 of 13 , May 1, 2006
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                              WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 25 messages in this issue.

                              Topics in this digest:

                              1. Re: Hand to Hand
                              From: Craig Williams
                              2. Longwoods 'tactical' event
                              From: "Mark Dickerson"
                              3. Re: Hand to Hand
                              From:
                              4. Re: Hand to Hand
                              From:
                              5. Re: Longwoods 'tactical' event
                              From: "Dale Kidd"
                              6. Re: Hand to Hand
                              From: "Dale Kidd"
                              7. Re: Re: Hand to Hand
                              From:
                              8. Waterloo
                              From: "Lalozon"
                              9. RE: Lundy's Lane vs Longwoods
                              From: "Kevin Windsor"
                              10. Re: Waterloo
                              From: "Mark Dickerson"
                              11. Re: Waterloo
                              From: Craig Williams
                              12. Re: Waterloo
                              From:
                              13. Re: Waterloo
                              From: Craig Williams
                              14. Re: Waterloo
                              From: "PEGGY Mathews"
                              15. Waterloo
                              From: "Lalozon"
                              16. Re: Waterloo
                              From: Craig Williams
                              17. PRACTICE CUTLASSES FOR SALE
                              From: "Lalozon"
                              18. Re: Waterloo
                              From: BritcomHMP@...
                              19. Re: Re: Hand to Hand
                              From: BritcomHMP@...
                              20. Re: Re: Hand to Hand
                              From:
                              21. Re: Waterloo
                              From: dancingbobd@...
                              22. Re: Re: Hand to Hand
                              From: "Gordon Deans"
                              23. Hand to Hand
                              From: "Lalozon"
                              24. Re: Re: Hand to Hand
                              From:
                              25. Re: Dying as a career move
                              From:


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                              Message: 1
                              Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:32:23 -0400
                              From: Craig Williams
                              Subject: Re: Hand to Hand

                              EEEEYIKES!

                              This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me icky!
                              I mean what are these guys wearing and why do they have facial hair?
                              And why do these pictures look like they came from the initial
                              training session for that "Pyrate" show at the Las Vegas casino?

                              EEEW!

                              Ok...I'm OK now. Just keep breathing deeply...Please don't show me
                              any more scary pictures Vic. (what did I ever do to you?)

                              Craig
                              It's the Society for Creative Anachronisms With Less Duct Tape. I've resumed taking my meds, advise you do the same, Sir. :-)
                              Jim Krause


                              Music Director, Fife Instructor
                              The Kaw Valley Fife & Drum Corps
                              fife and drum music of early America





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