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  • ray hobbs
    Pontypridd, the town of my birth, was the home of the 5th Battalion, The Welch Regiment. My uncles, and my father who served in the British forces during WW2
    Message 1 of 40 , Mar 1, 2006
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      Pontypridd, the town of my birth, was the home of the 5th Battalion,
      The Welch Regiment. My uncles, and my father who served in the British
      forces during WW2 joined up through this depot, although they
      eventually served in other branches (RAF, Royal Marines, Royal
      Engineers). The lore of Welsh regiments is often a subject of
      conversation when our family gets together. A neighbour of ours, and a
      good friend of my RAF uncle, served in the South Wales Borderers during
      WW2, and had a �bad war�. The history of the Welsh regiments has been a
      hobby of mine and I also have a sizeable collection of Welsh Regimental
      badges.

      In spite of the BBC article, the notion that 600 years of history have
      been abandoned by the new creation of the Royal Welsh Regiment (1st and
      2nd Battalions) on March 1st. 2006, is a very much overstated.
      Throughout the history of British Army regiments in Wales, mergers and
      the loss of time-honoured names has been the norm, rather than the
      exception. Some examples:

      Colonel Edward Dering�s Regiment of Foot became �Churchill�s Regiment�
      in 1701, then in 1717 � Howard�s Greens�. In 1751 the Regiment became
      the 24th Foot, and in 1756 its second battalion became the 69th
      (Lincolnshire) Regiment of Foot and the 1st Battalion was renamed the
      2nd Warwickshire Regiment (24th Foot) in 1782. By 1881 it had become
      the South Wales Borderers, but the 69th had by then changed to become
      the 2nd Battalion of the Welsh Regiment. In 1960 the South Wales
      Borderers was incorporated into the Welsh Brigade, then the Royal
      Regiment of Wales (24th/41st Foot) in 1969.

      Along the way it gave birth to the Monmouthshire Regiment, the Imperial
      Monmouth Yeomanry, the Brecknockshire Regiment, the Monmouthshire Rifle
      Volunteers and an unimaginable number volunteer and militia regiments
      from the latter part of the 18th and into the 19th century. All of
      these units were embodied, fought, then disbanded or incorporated into
      other units.

      This is easily duplicated by an examination of the histories of the
      Welch Regiment (41st) and the Royal Welch Fusliers (23rd). Does anyone
      still mourn the loss of the Royal Anglesey Fusiliers, the Royal
      Caernarvon and Anglesey Rifles, the Loyal Parys Mountain Volunteers,
      the Pwllheli Volunteers or the Loyal Effionydd Volunteers - all of
      which were raised in the threat of the wars with France after 1792, and
      which did fine service, not only protecting the homeland, but supplying
      hundreds of volunteers for the regular army. Many of these units were
      active until 1808 or 1815.

      As needs change, so does the military. It needs to be adaptable, and
      affordable. The traditions of the three regiments, and the countless
      militia and Territorial units that sprang from them,. are all preserved
      by being shared now by the Royal Welsh Regiment�s two battalions.

      It is amusing to note that in 1881 reaction to the use of county
      designations in the British Army, which replaced many of the numbered
      designations, was as angry and vitriolic as any change ever introduced
      to streamline the army. Colonel Charles Poole, of the 67th, received
      an invitation to a Regiment dinner of the Hampshire Regiment - a
      combination of the 37th and 67th Foot. His response is immortal:

      Damned names mean nothing. Since time immemorial regiments have been
      numbered according to their precedence in the Line. Nothing can alter
      the rightness of such a plan, and interfering boobies in the War Office
      can have no effect on my determination to ignore their damned machinery
      at all costs to myself. I will not come to anything called a Hampshire
      Regimental Dinner.
      My compliments, Sir
      And be damned.

      Your Most Humble and Obedient Servant
      Ray Hobbs
      CO 41st Foot (erstwhile Welsh/Welch Regiment)
      Head of the Lake
      Upper Canada

      On Wednesday, March 1, 2006, at 05:01 PM, Camp Chief wrote:

      > For those interested on this St. David's Day, 600 years of Welsh
      > Military
      > tradition has come to an end with the merging of the Royal Welch
      > Fusiliers
      > and the Royal Regiment of Wales into the new Royal Welsh Regiment.
      >
      >
      >
      > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4760102.stm
      >
      >
      >
      > Regards
      >
      >
      >
      > David Randle
      >
      >
      >
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      > To all of Welsh ancestry I wish to take this opportunity to wish you a
      > Happy Saint David's Day!
      >
      > Not only is it a Welsh National Day, it is also the Regimental Day of
      > the Royal Welsh Regiment (23rd., 24th., 41st). Leek soup, Welsh cakes,
      > lava bread and roast lamb are on the menu.
      >
      > Cymru am byth!
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      > Gwell Angau na Chwilydd - motto of the Welsh Regiment
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      > Yr Most Humble and Obedient Servant
      >
      > Ray Hobbs, CO
      > 41st Regiment of Foot
      > Head of the Lake
      > Upper Canada
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    • Soo
      They wouldn t let us plebes into the restaurant! Sue Too
      Message 40 of 40 , Mar 2, 2013
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        They wouldn't let us plebes into the restaurant!

        Sue Too

        --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, Ray Hobbs <ray.hobbs@...> wrote:
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        > Lst evening at dinner I had rack of lamb done in a mint and peppercorn glaze - absolutely delicious.
        > RH
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