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  • yawors1@uwindsor.ca
    Going through the long list of Prisoners, I noticed the following, which is of interest primarily to fans of the 41st, I suppose. Jim Yaworsky 41st
    Message 1 of 8 , Dec 31, 1969
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      Going through the long list of Prisoners, I noticed the following, which is
      of interest primarily to fans of the 41st, I suppose.

      Jim Yaworsky
      41st


      ==============================

      Bromley, George Pvt England 23 Dark 5'4 l thigh wound-sent to Lexington

      JY: this is the only individual sent to Lexington. Curious minds want to
      know why. Perhaps because his wound was more serious than others listed
      with leg injuries and he could only get treatment there?
      ------
      Kelly, Patrick killed 24 Dec 1813 trying to force the centenial

      JY: I suspect this should read "sentinel" i.e. Patrick Kelly was trying to
      escape. Just where he wanted to go, or thought he could get to, on
      December 24 from a camp deep in Kentucky is the puzzle.
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      Danford, James England 19 Fair 5'3 waiter to Captain O'Keefe
      Beasley, William England 23 Fair 5'11 to Frankfort
      Mabbot, Henry Pvt England gone to Frankfort as a waiter
      Dark 5'6
      Rose, Joseph Pvt England 30 Dark 5'5 to Frankfort as waiter
      Weaver, Francis Pvt Eng 34 Dark 5'5 to Frankfort as waiter

      JY: all these men were "waiting" on the officers who were kept "imprisoned"
      in Frankfort (actually, free on parole to roam about Frankfort most of the
      time). These men were not deserters.
      -------
      Ripley, Christopher England 25 Dark 5'7 deserted
      Sharpe, Thomas Deserted

      JY: these two are the only men listed as "deserted" on the list. The
      American government made no concerted effort to entice these prisoners to
      desert, because they wanted to keep them to exchange for American prisoners
      in British hands.
      There was a rather nasty dispute going on between the two governments as to
      the status of American prisoners who had been born as British subjects.
      The Americans called them "Americans". The British called them
      "traitors"... The dispute was not settled until well in to 1814, when
      everybody agreed to be nice to each other's men. This was after the
      British stated "traitors" would be tried and executed, the Americans
      responded by manacling twice the number of British prisoners and stating
      they would shoot two for each "Americans" executed, the British threatened
      to execute twice as many Americans as the American Government would
      execute, etc. In other words, a spiralling escalation of mutual threats.
      The practical results for many of the prisoners of war on both sides was
      some very uncomfortable treatment...
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      Nebriss, Charles crossed out on roster

      JY: a mystery...

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      Huff, Peter Pvt England 49 Dark 5'3 loin injury

      JY: the only guy who is listed as suffering a "loin injury". Let's hope it
      wasn't too serious... ;>)

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    • lalozon
      Re: How tall were 1812 soldiers check the archives then visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~kycampbe/war1812prisoners.htm Thanks to Betsy Bashor
      Message 2 of 8 , Jan 31, 2005
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        Re: "How tall were 1812 soldiers"

        check the archives

        then visit

        http://www.rootsweb.com/~kycampbe/war1812prisoners.htm



        Thanks to Betsy Bashor
        ______________________


        "War of 1812 Prisoners At Newport Barracks"


        A roster of Prisoners of War taken at Moravian Town November 28, 1813 and
        brought to Newport by General William H Harrison, Major General Western
        Frontier and George Croghan, Lt. Colonel 17th Regiment, is to be found in
        The National Archives, Washington D.C. Their names may also be found in Pay
        Vouchers of the 41st Foot December 1813, Public Records Office, London.


        Name Rank Origin Age Remarks
        ==============================
        Adams, Jonathan Pvt England 20 Fair 5'6
        Arter, William Pvt England 23 Fair 5'4
        Asbury, Robert Pvt England 25 Fair 5'8 right thigh wound
        Adesch, Thomas Pvt England 36 Dark 5'4
        Alford, James Pvt-drummer England 10 Dark 4'11
        Alford, Jonathan Pvt England Dark 5'6
        Alford, Jonathan Pvt England 19 Fair 5'7
        Allen, ? Pvt England 44 Swarthy, shoulder wound
        Allen, Joseph Sgt England 32 Fair 5'8
        Ash, George Pvt England 29 Dark 5'5

        Bailey, Josiah Pvt England 16 Fair 4'4
        Balfin{Bulfin}, Jonathan Pvt England 21 Dark 5'6
        Ball, Richard Corp 29 5'7
        Ball, Robert Pvt England 23 Fair 5'8
        Ballock, Jonathan Pvt England 22 Fair 5'7
        Banford, Benjamin Pvt England 57 Dark 5'9
        Bannach, D Canada 26 Swarthy 5'9
        Barbour, James England 24 Fair 5'5 left side wound
        Barcley, John Pvt England 40 Swarthy 5'7
        Barnett, James
        Barnett, William Pvt England 29 Dark 5'7 leg wound
        Barret, Jonathan Pvt England 23 Fair 5'9
        Barter, Noah Pvt England Fair 5'6 leg wound
        Baxter, John Corp Scotland 32 Dark 5'7
        Beall, William Pvt England 24 Fair 5'7
        Beandoin, A Canada 23 Dark 5'4
        Beasley, James Pvt England 24 Swarthy 5'7
        Beasley, William England 23 Fair 5'11 to Frankfort
        Beasley, William Pvt England 26 Fair 5'6 r shoulder wound
        Beatley, Robert Pvt England 20 Fair 5'8
        Beaver, Thomas Pvt England 27 Fair 5'5
        Bedester, Jonathan Pvt England 29 Fair 6'1 arm wound
        Belford, Jonathan Drummer Canada 16 Fair 4'11
        Belshaw, Thomas Pvt England 49 Fair
        Betcon, Daniel Pvt England 36 Fair 5'9
        Billington, William Pvt England 49 Dark 5'9 r elbow wound
        Birch, B
        Bishop, Charles Pvt England 42 Dark 5'7
        Blacket, Joseph Pvt England 20 Fair 5'7
        Blake, William Pvt England 40 Dark 5'4
        Blakie, James Gunner Scotland 35 Fair 5'7
        Blamy, Robert Sgt 35
        Blanchard, Isaac Pvt England 53 Dark 5'6 leg wound
        Bland, Nicholas Pvt England Fair 5'7
        Bodman, Richard Pvt England 25 Dark 5'6
        Bold Pvt 21 5'4
        Bolton, Strother Corp England 31 Fair Captured 5 Oct 1813
        Bond, Stephen Pvt England 29 Dark 5'5
        Boom, Jonathan Pvt Germany 55 Dark 5'6
        Bostick, James Pvt England 22 Dark 5'6
        Bowbottom, Robert England 25 Fair 5'8 neck wound
        Boys, Thomas England 26 Fair 5'8
        Brahan, Patrick Pvt Ireland 40 Dark 5'6
        Brewer, George
        Bromley, George Pvt England 23 Dark 5'4 l thigh wound-sent to Lexington
        Brooks, Phil Sgt England 5'7
        Brown, Isaac Pvt England 30 Fair 5'5 r elbow wound
        Brown, James England 24 Fair 5'9
        Brown, William Pvt England 18 Dark 5'2
        Buckley, Benjamin Pvt England 38 Dark 5'8
        Buckley, Cornelius Pvt Ireland 40 Dark 5'7
        Buffey, Jonathan England 27 Fair 5'5 r shoulder wound
        Bull, Jonathan England 29 Swarthy 5'9
        Burgess, Thomas Pvt England 24 Fair 5'6
        Burgoyne, Henry Corp England 32 Dark 6' head injury 41st Regiment
        Burton, Jonathan England 20 Fair 5'4
        Burton, Thomas England 25 Fair 5'8
        Bussell, Jonathan 21 5'9

        Camm, Jonathan Pvt England 32 Dark 5'11 arm wound
        Camron, Daniel Pvt Scotland 48 Dark 5'5
        Cannon, Jeremiah Pvt 37 5'8
        Canter, Anthon Pvt 23
        Chister, Benjamin Pvt England 20 Fair 5'7
        Chive, Samuel Pvt 24
        Church, J Pvt Ireland 30 Dark 5'6
        Church, Jonathan Pvt 31 Fair 5'5 r elbow wound
        Church, Thomas Pvt England 36 Dark hand injury
        Cliff, Jonathan Pvt 46
        Clime, Richard Pvt England 22 Fair 5'6
        Coles, John Sgt England 35 Dark 5'10
        Collier, William England 20 Dark 5'5
        Collins, Charles Sgt England 36 Fair 5'8
        Collins, Jonathan Pvt Ireland 40 Dark 5'5
        Collins, Robert Pvt England 21 Fair 5'8 r arm wound
        Collins, Thomas Pvt England 20 Fair 5'4
        Collins, William England 22 Fair 5'6
        Colshan, Thomas Pvt Ireland 40 Fair 5'3 r hand wound
        Combs, William England 23 Fair 5'8
        Cook, Sam Pvt England 25 Swarthy 5'5 hand wound
        Cooper, Benjamin Pvt England 58 Fair 5'11 leg wound
        Cooper, William
        Cotterell, Benjamin Pvt England 21 Fair 5'8
        Council, Isaac England 21 Fair 5'8
        Coward, James Pvt England 36 Fair 5'3 hand wound
        Cowgen, Nathaniel Pvt England Dark 5'7
        Cox, Jonathan Pvt 46
        Cox, Stephen Pvt 30 5'6
        Crawley, James Pvt England 21 Fair 5'6 l wrist wound
        Cummins, Thomas Sgt England 39 Dark 5'10 head injury 41st Regiment
        Cummins, Thomas Gunner Ireland 22 Swarthy 5'7
        Curtis, Jonathan Pvt England 22 Fair 5'8
        Custard, James Corp England 29 Dark 5'7

        Danford, James England 19 Fair 5'3 waiter to Captain O'Keefe
        Daniels, Samuel Pvt England 30 Fair 5'7
        Dawcey, Patrick Ireland 42 Dark 5'9 right leg wound
        Dawson, Jonathan Gunner England 28 Fair 5'8
        Demass, Michael Canada 18 Dark 5'4
        Dinner, Jonathan Pvt England 20 Fair 5'4
        Dobson, Richard England 20 Fair 5'4
        Draper, Giles Pvt England 27 Fair 5'7 right hand wound
        Draper, William England 20 Fair 5'
        Drummitt, Jonathan Pvt 37 5'7
        Duguett, Josh Canada 22 Dark 5'5
        Duke, Richard Pvt England 37 Fair 5'8
        Dyson, Jonathan Artillery England 37 Fair 5'8

        Edward, Thomas Sgt England Dark 5'3
        Edwards, Phil Pvt England 5'6
        Edwards, William Sgt Wales 34 Fair 5'7
        Elliotte, Henry Pvt England 25 Dark 5'5
        Elsmore, Thomas England 25 Fair 5'6

        Fancy, Thomas Pvt England 24 Fair 5'6
        Farmer, William Pvt England 20 Dark 5'5
        Farmer, William Pvt England 34 Fair 5'4 right hand injury
        Feltham, William Pvt 26 5'7
        Field, Frances England 23 Dark 5'7
        Fitch, Robert Pvt 29 5'6
        Flemming, Jonathan Canada 23 Dark 6'2
        Fling, Nicholas
        Ford, Joacob Pvt England Dark 5'7
        Ford, William Pvt England 44 Dark 5'5
        Foster, Robert Pvt 35 5'5
        Fry, Luke Pvt England 22 Dark 5'5
        Fulton, Jonathan England 22 Fair 5'6

        Gane, William Pvt England 23 Dark 5'5 left arm wound
        Garrett, William Pvt England 24 Fair 5'5 left arm wound
        Gilbert, Samuel England 25 Swarthy 5'8
        Glandvill, Joseph Pvt England 25 Fair 5'8
        Glasford, Jonathan Pvt American 42 Dark 5'8 left arm injury
        Glass, Thomas Pvt England Fair 5'4
        Glymer, Thomas Pvt Ireland 36 Fair 5'5
        Godden, Joseph Corp England 24 Fair 5'6
        Godden, William Pvt England 24 Fair 5'4 left thigh injury
        Godfry, George Pvt England 28 Fair 5'4 left thigh injury
        Golding, Thomas Pvt England 21 Fair 5'5
        Goldsmith, Jonathan Gunner England 51 Dark 5'9
        Goldsmith, Lum Drummer Canada 13 Swarthy 4'8
        Goodridge, Jeremiah Pvt England 46 Dark
        Gore, Edward Corp 30 5'5
        Gould, Samuel England 30 Fair 5'9
        Grant, Jonathan Sgt Scotland 43 Dark 5'8
        Gresty, Thomas England 23 Fair 5'6
        Grice, Richard England 26 Fair 5'8
        Griffith, James Pvt England 21 Fair 5'10 thigh wound
        Grig, Jonathan Pvt England 34 Dark 5'3
        Groeat, Jonathan England 26 Fair 5'9
        Grosse, John England 22 Fair 5'6
        Guiatt, Thomas Sgt England 28 Fair 5'6
        Guy, Joseph Corp England 23 Florid 5'10 head wound

        Hall, Joseph England 27 Fair 5'6
        Hardy, Jacob Pvt England 22 Fair 5'8
        Harker, Ephram Pvt England 49 Dark 5'5
        Harris, Thomas Corp England 23 Dark 5'8
        Harshaw, Jonathan Ireland 20 Fair 5'6
        Hart, Robert England 21 Fair 5'7
        Harvey, Joseph Sgt England 29 Dark 5'3
        Hastings, James Pvt Ireland 21 Fair 5'5
        Hater, Jonathan Pvt England Dark 5'8
        Hawkins, Henry England 23 Swarthy 5-9
        Hawkins, William Pvt England 36 Fair 5'5
        Hayles, William Pvt England 30 5'4
        Haynes, James Pvt England 36 5'7
        Hayter, George Pvt England 27 5'6 left thigh wound
        Heather, James
        Herd, William Pvt England 19 Fair 5'7
        Herford, Joel Pvt England 24 5'4
        Hicks, James Pvt 22 Fair 5'7
        High, Thomas Corp England 28 Fair 5'9
        Hillhouse, Robert Sgt Scotland 27 Dark 5'9
        Hills, Jonathan Pvt Ireland 24 Dark 5'8
        Hinds, William Pvt England 50 Dark 5'7 hand injury
        Hinton, Jonathan
        Hiscocks, Jonathan Pvt England 25 Fair 5'6 left arm injury
        Hobbs, James Pvt England 28 Dark 5'6 left leg injury
        Holding, George England 22 Fair 5'11 shoulder wound
        Holfield, Joshua Pvt England 30 Dark 5'5
        Holliways, Jonathan Civilian England 47 Fair 5'9
        Hoopwood, Thomas England 39 Fair 5'9 thigh wound
        Horne, Edward Pvt England 29 Fair 5'8 left leg injury
        Huff, Peter Pvt England 49 Dark 5'3 loin injury
        Hulbert, Thomas Pvt England 37 Fair 5'5
        Huntley, Jonathan England 32 Fair 5'6 left side wound
        Hyde, Benjamin England 24 Dark 5'9 thigh injury

        Isabella, Joseph
        Ivers, Jonathan Pvt England 26 Fair 5'5 left leg wound

        Javins, Timothy Pvt England 26 Fair 5'7 lower jaw wound
        Jefcott, William Corp England 33 Dark 5'6
        Jeffery, Henry England 28 Fair 5'8
        Jeffries, Jonathan 23 Dark 5'6
        Jervis, Richard 23 5'6
        Johnson, Edward Pvt England 30 Fair 5'4
        Johnson, John Pvt England 49 Fair 5'3 lower jaw wound
        Johnson, Jonathan England 27 Dark 5'10
        Jones, Joseph Pvt Ireland 50 Fair 5'4
        Jones, Thomas Pvt England Florid 5'7

        Kelly, Patrick killed 24 Dec 1813 trying to force the centenial
        Kerr, Joseph Pvt Ireland Dark 5'5
        Keting, Cornelius
        Killow, Nicholas Pvt England 20 Fair 5'6
        King, Minter Gunner England 29 Dark 5'8
        King, William Pvt 23 Swarthy 5'8
        Kingston, Isaac Pvt England 21 Swarthy 5'4
        Kirbey, Richard Sgt Ireland
        Kirby, Joseph Sgt England 34 Dark 5'5
        Knight, Richard Pvt
        Knight, Sam Corp England 26 Dark 5'9 shoulder wound
        Knight, William Corp England 30 Dark 5'8
        Knowles, Samuel Pvt England 21 Dark 5'6

        Laferty, William Pvt Ireland 25 Fair 5'8
        Lambe, James Bombard Ireland 38 Florid 5'7
        Lambert, Thomas Pvt England 20 Fair 5'5
        Lane, William Pvt Ireland 31 Florid 4'4
        Lavender, Jonathan Pvt Ireland 49 Dark 5'10 leg wound
        Lavis, William Pvt 38 Dark 5'8
        Leaman, Jonathan Sgt England 30 Dark 5'7
        Leammill, John Pvt England 31 Fair 5'9
        Lee, William Pvt England 22 Fair 5'6
        Lege, Francis Pvt England 23 Fair 5'6
        Legg, Jonathan Pvt England 28 Dark 5'8
        Lester, William 30
        Lloyd, William Pvt
        Longshaw, William England 21 Dark 5'4
        Lovess, William England 26 Fair 5'7
        Lynoll, William Pvt England 45 5'5 right cheek injury
        Lyon, Gordon Sgt Scotland 42 Dark 5'9 left shoulder wound
        Lynn, Gordon Jr. Drummer Canada 12 Fair 5'9

        Mabbot, Henry Pvt England gone to Frankfort as a waiter
        Mack, Nathaniel Pvt 30 Dark 5'7
        Magee, William Pvt Ireland 33 Dark 5'3
        Mahony, Edward Ireland 26 Dark 5'4
        Mallet, August Gunner Canada 32 Swarthy 5'5
        Mansfield, Peter Pvt Ireland 31 Dark 5'5 lower jaw injury
        Marsh, Benjamin England 37 Dark 5'9
        Martin, James Pvt England 43 Florid 5'6
        Martin, James Pvt Ireland 51 5'5
        Martin, Jonathan Sgt 35 5'
        Mason, James Sgt England 33 Fair 5'5
        May, James Pvt England 29 Fair 5'5
        McAnley, Jonathan Pvt Scotland 45 Dark 5'11
        McArthur, Jonathan Drummer Scotland 32 Dark 5'6
        McCoy, William Ireland 30 Dark 5'9
        McCristie, Charles Scotland 27 Fair 5'8
        McCuley, Scotland 45 Dark 5'11
        McDonald, Malclen Pvt Scotland 54 Dark 5'8
        McDonald, Martin Pvt Ireland 46 Fair 5'6
        McGee, Thomas Pvt Ireland 39 Dark 5'5 left thigh wound
        McGinniss, Jonathan Pvt Ireland 57 Fair 5'8
        McGregor, Andrew Corp Scotland 40 Florid 5'6
        McKennon, Edward Corp England 38 Fair 5'8 shoulder wound
        McLay, Jonathan Pvt Scotland 38 Dark 5'4
        McMurray, Nicholas Pvt Ireland 42 Dark 5'6
        McNamara, Jonathan Ireland 35 Fair 5'9
        McNugee, William Ireland 33 Dark 5'3
        Mead, James Pvt England 27 Fair 5'2 left arm wound
        Mead, James Pvt England 24 Fair 5'9 shoulder wound
        Meboy, Michael Pvt Ireland 37 Dark 5'5
        Meniclier, Lens Corp Canada Fair 5'4 Dragoon
        Metch, Sam Sgt England 24 Florid 5'8 shoulder wound
        Miller, Richard Pvt England 18 Fair 5'6
        Mills, Jacob Pvt England 17 Dark 5'8
        Mills, Richard Ireland 32 Fair 5'10
        Mills, Silas Pvt England 28 Dark 5'4
        Minor, John Pvt England 30 Dark 5'6
        Modcaf, John England 29 Fair 5'6
        Mohanohan, Owen Pvt Ireland 39 Dark 5'6 left arm injury
        Morison, Jonathan Pvt Ireland 34 Dark 5'6 neck injury
        Mullineany, Robert Pvt Ireland 32 Fair 5'8
        Munro, James Pvt Ireland 32 Dark 5'6
        Murphy, Dan Pvt Ireland 34 Fair 5'10 41st Regiment
        Murphy, Patrick Ireland 48 Fair 6'

        Nagarte, Francis England 29 Florid 5'6 left arm wound
        Naih, Richard Pvt
        Nash, James Pvt England 24 Fair 5'10 leg wounds
        Naxy{Nany}, James Pvt Ireland 46 5'7
        Nebriss, Charles crossed out on roster
        Newman, Nethios Sgt England Dark 5'7
        Newton, James Pvt deserted
        Nicholson, Robert Pvt England 36 Dark 5'7
        Nightengale, Thomas England 21 Fair 5'6
        Noble, James Pvt Scotland 53 Dark 5'11 leg wound
        Nordan, Anthony Pvt England 22 Fair 5'8
        Norman, George England 21 Fair 5'7
        Norris, William Pvt England 38 Dark 5'10 leg wound 41st Regiment
        Northway, William Pvt England 28 Fair 5'3
        Noulton, Richard England 22 Dark 5'6

        Oaks, Thomas Corp England
        Oastlez, Richard 21 Fair 5'10
        Oatley, Stephen Pvt England 25 Fair 5'4
        O'Bryan, John Pvt Ireland 21 Swarthy 5'5
        O'Connell, Daniel Pvt Ireland 51 Fair 5'9
        O'Conner, Cornelius Pvt Ireland 35 Fair 5'6
        O'Grady, Darby Pvt Ireland 24 Fair 5'9
        Oliven, Archibald Corp
        Oliver, Jonathan England 22 Fair 5'9 leg wound 41st Regiment
        Orchard, William Pvt England 23 Fair 5'5
        Osborn, William Pvt England 22 Fair 5'2
        Osmond, Jonathan England 18 Fair 5'7

        Padgenton, Thomas England 22 Sallow 5'8
        Papps, Jonah Pvt England 23 Swarthy
        Paradice, Jonathan England 20 Fair 5'6
        Parker, Stephen Pvt England 36 Fair 5'3
        Passy, James England 26 Dark 5'9 arm wound
        Patt, Jonathan Pvt England 28 Fair 5'7
        Pavy, John Pvt England 25 Fair 5'4
        Payne, Robert Pvt England 38 Fair 5'4
        Pearce, William Pvt England 32 Dark 5'5 left side wound
        Pearle, Jonathan England 34 Dark 5'8
        Perham, Silas Pvt England 23 Fair 5'6
        Phillips, George Pvt England 28 Fair 5'6
        Phillips, Thomas Sgt England 24 Fair 5'11 head wound 41st Regiment
        Plummer, Jonathan Pvt England 39 Dark 5'7
        Pomroy, Isaac Pvt England 26 Fair 5'4 right thigh wound
        Pool, William Pvt England 22 Swarthy 5'4
        Power, Jonathan Pvt Ireland 32 Dark 5'6
        Prangley, Richard England 38 Dark 5'11 leg wound
        Prescott, Robert Pvt
        Press, William Pvt England 23 Dark 5'7
        Pursell, Jonthan Corp Scotland 28 Fair 5'8

        Quinn, James Pvt Ireland 34 Dark 5'5

        Ralph, Thomas England 23 Dark 5'9 neck wound
        Ramphrey, William England 22 Swarthy 5'10 neck wound
        Reeves, James England 29 Swarthy 5'9 neck wound
        Rian, Goefrey Pvt Germany 52 Dark 5'4
        Rich, Stiles Pvt England 23 Dark 5'7
        Riley, Thomas Corp England 23 Fair 5'6
        Ripley, Christopher England 25 Dark 5'7 deserted
        Robertson, Thomas Pvt Scotland 30 Dark 5'5
        Robertson, William Sgt England 27 Fair 5'7
        Robins, Daniel England 25 Dark 5'7
        Robinson, Jonathan England 19 Fair 5'5
        Robinson, Jonathan Corp Dark 5'6
        Rose, Joseph Pvt England 30 Dark 5'5 to Frankfort as waiter
        Rose, Thomas Pvt England 27 Dark 5'6
        Rowe, Paul England 23 Fair 5'9 neck wound

        Sainsbury, James 24
        Saint John, Jonathan Ireland 28 Dark 5'6
        Salmore, Henry Pvt England 30 Dark 5'5 right thigh wound
        Sanderz, Mich Pvt Canada 25 Fair 5'7
        Sanger, Jonathan Pvt Eng 25 Fair 6'4
        Scarlet, Jonathan Pvt Ire 49 Fair 5'8
        Scocke, Jonathan H Pvt Eng 25 Fair 5'6 left arm wound
        Segar, William Pvt Guernsey 46 Dark 5'5
        Sharp, Jarvis Eng 23 Fair 5'8
        Sharpe, Thomas Deserted
        Shelton, Joseph Eng 22 Fair 5'6
        Shepherd, Henry Pvt Eng 21 Fair 5'8
        Shepherd, William Pvt Eng 53 Dark 5'3
        Short, Jonathan Pvt Eng 26 Dark 5'5
        Sileock, James Pvt Eng 38 Fair 5'4
        Sims, Jonthan Pvt Eng 33 Fair 5'4
        Simpkin, James Pvt Eng 25 Dark 5'5
        Sinclair, Mames Pvt Scot 50 Dark 5'6
        Slater, Edward Pvt Eng 30 Dark 5'8
        Sleight, Jonathan Pvt Eng 38 Dark 5'7
        Smith, Benjamin Corp Eng Fair 5'8
        Smith, Jonathan 26 5'7
        Smith, William Eng 56 Fair 5'6
        Smith, William Pvt Eng 25 Fair 5'6
        Stacy, Thomas Eng 28 Fair 5'5
        Stanning, James Pvt Eng 21 Fair 5'5
        Steele, Thomas 51
        Stephenson, Jonathan Pvt Eng 29 Fair 5'7
        Stephenson, Jonathan Drummer Eng 34 Fair 5'5 thigh wound
        Stephenson, Jonathan Ire 29 Fair 5'7
        Stevens, James 30 Dark 5'8
        Strickland, Jonathan Pvt Ire 42 Dark 5'4
        Strutherz, Alexxus Can 29 Fair 5'11 forehead wound
        Sullivan, Anthony Pvt Eng Dark 5'8 shoulder wound
        Sumner, Nicholas Eng 23 Fair 5'8
        Swern, Edward Pvt Eng 30 Dark 5'3

        Tarr, James Pvt Eng 35 Dark 5'6
        Taylor, James Pvt Eng 20 Fair 5'4
        Taylor, William Pvt Eng 31 Fair 5'4
        Thomas, Jonathan Pvt Eng 33 Fair 5'5 right shoulder wound
        Thompson, Jonathan Pvt Eng 23 Fair 5'5
        Thorp, Joseph Gunner Eng 26 Dark 5'6
        Tompson, Jonathan Drummer Ire 15 Dark 4'9
        Toomer, Thomas Eng 35 Fair 5'6
        Toomey, Maurice Corp Ire 30 Swarthy 5'9
        Triniman, Jonathan 42 5'8
        Trotman, Richard Eng 36 Fair 6' thigh wound
        Trusler, Jonathan Pvt Eng 55 Fair 5'3
        Turner, Edward Eng 19 Fair 5'6
        Twirt, William Pvt Eng 18 Dark 5'4

        Uncles, James Eng 18 Dark 5'4

        Veal, Benjamin Pvt Eng 36 Fair 5'4
        Vennoll, --- Pvt Eng 33 Fair 5'5
        Vickers, Jonathan Pvt Eng 21 Swarthy 5'9 neck wound

        Walls/Watts, Sam Pvt Eng 21 Fair 5'5
        Walters, Job Eng 20 Swarthy 5'5
        Walton, Dan Pvt Eng 25 Fair 5'9
        Warberton, George Pvt Scot 24 Fair 5'10
        Ward, Charles Eng 26 Fair 5'7
        Warderope, Jonathan Scot 39 Dark 6'6
        Warner, James Pvt Eng 28 Fair 5'4
        Watson, James Pvt Ire 39 Swarthy 5'8 r eye wound
        Watts, Richard Pvt Eng 23 Fair 5'2 left leg wound
        Watts, William Corp 25 5'6
        Weaver, Francis Pvt Eng 34 Dark 5'5 to Frankfort as waiter
        Webb, Henry Pvt Eng 27 Fair 5'5
        Wells, Nathaniel Corp Eng 24 Swarthy 5'8
        Wesley, Jonathan Pvt 42
        Westicott, William Pvt Eng 28 Fair 5'7
        West, Charles Corp Eng 28 Fair 5'7
        West, Jonathan Corp Eng 23 Dark 5'7 shoulder wound
        Westcomb, Charles Pvt Eng 23 Fair 5'5
        Weston, Jonathan Eng 36 Fair 5'9
        Westwood, Joseph Eng 41 Dark 5'9
        White, Charles Pvt Eng 41 Dark 5'9
        White, Isaac Pvt Eng 26 Dark 5'6 l shoulder wound
        White, Mathew Pvt Ire 33 Fair 5'5
        White, William Pvt Eng 21 Fair 5'6
        Whitehead, Jonathan Pvt Eng 20 Dark 5'8
        Wickain, Thomas Pvt Eng 27 Dark 5'7
        Williams, Edward Pvt Eng 30 Dark 5'4
        Willis, Richard Pvt Eng 20 Fair 5'6
        Willmount, William
        Wilson, Joseph Craft En 40 Dark 5'9
        Windsor, William Pvt En 23 Dark 5'5
        Wire, John Pvt Eng 24 Fair 5'5
        Wisdale, William Pvt Eng 28 Fair 5'6
        Withersby, Jonathan Eng 30 Fair 6'
        Woodman, William Eng 35 5'5
        Woodruff, Jonathan Pvt Eng 29 Swarthy 5'8
        Woods, James Ire 39 Fair 5'5 right arm wound
        Woods, Thomas Pvt Eng 29 Swarthy 5'8
        Wright, Joseph Pvt Eng 21 5'5
        Wright, Joseph Pvt Eng 34 Fair 5'8 41st Regiment

        Yeates, Henry Pvt Eng 29 Dark 5'9 arm wound
        Yoe, Thomas Pvt Eng 29 Fair 5'5 left thigh wound
        York, Jonathan Pvt Eng 32 Dark 5'9 arm wound
      • Kevin Windsor
        Betsy you rock!!!! ... From: lalozon
        Message 3 of 8 , Jan 31, 2005
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          Betsy you rock!!!!

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "lalozon" <lalozon@...>

          >
          > Re: "How tall were 1812 soldiers"
          >
          > check the archives
          >
          > then visit
          >
          > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kycampbe/war1812prisoners.htm
          >
          >
          >
          > Thanks to Betsy Bashore
          > ______________________
          >
        • dancingbobd@webtv.net
          Greetings, Great work Betsy! Being an Old Fart I found it very interesting that there were 55 on the list that were at least 40 years old and of these,16
          Message 4 of 8 , Jan 31, 2005
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            Greetings,

            Great work Betsy!

            Being an "Old Fart" I found it very interesting that there were 55 on
            the list that were at least 40 years old and of these,16 that were 50 or
            older. None over 58. I didn't count the 30 - 39 age group but there
            were quite a few in this group as well. Most were between 19 and 29,
            which is what you would expect. The youngest was a drummer of 10.

            Really fun to look at. One was a Sgt., one was a Gunner, one was a
            civilian (?) and one was not identified. All the rest were Privates!

            Regards,

            Bob
          • Tom Fournier
            ... Privates! ... The officers of the 41st were held prisoners seperately from the regulars. Their internment is described extensively in Richardson s War of
            Message 5 of 8 , Jan 31, 2005
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              >
              > Really fun to look at. One was a Sgt., one was a Gunner, one was a
              > civilian (?) and one was not identified. All the rest were
              Privates!
              >


              The officers of the 41st were held prisoners seperately from the
              regulars. Their internment is described extensively in "Richardson's
              War of 1812".

              What an awesome list!

              Thank you.

              Tom Fournier
              41st Regiment of Foot
            • lalozon
              From: Jim Yaworsky Going through the long list of Prisoners, I noticed the following, which is of interest primarily to fans of the
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                From: "Jim Yaworsky" <yawors1@...>

                Going through the long list of Prisoners, I noticed the following, which is
                of interest primarily to fans of the 41st, I suppose.
                ==============================

                Kelly, Patrick killed 24 Dec 1813 trying to force the centenial

                JY: ... Patrick Kelly was trying to escape. Just where he wanted to go, or
                thought he could get to, on December 24 from a camp deep in Kentucky is the
                puzzle.



                L2: I have (somewhere) a report of a Kent Militia man who walked from
                Kentucky to his home near Chatham Ontario Canada, in the winter, after
                escaping from a War of 1812 prisoner camp.

                I think Patty Kelly just wanted to get out of the camp.


                =========

                Danford, James England 19 Fair 5'3 waiter to Captain O'Keefe
                Beasley, William England 23 Fair 5'11 to Frankfort
                Mabbot, Henry Pvt England gone to Frankfort as a waiter Dark 5'6
                Rose, Joseph Pvt England 30 Dark 5'5 to Frankfort as waiter
                Weaver, Francis Pvt Eng 34 Dark 5'5 to Frankfort as waiter

                JY: all these men were "waiting" on the officers who were kept "imprisoned"
                in Frankfort (actually, free on parole to roam about Frankfort most of the
                time). These men were not deserters.


                L2: They were smart! ... free to roam as you said and able to eat and drink
                the dregs of the Officer's table!


                =============

                Ripley, Christopher England 25 Dark 5'7 deserted
                Sharpe, Thomas Deserted

                JY: these two are the only men listed as "deserted" on the list.



                L2: reading more from

                THE BRIGADE DISPATCH
                The Journal of the Brigade of the American Revolution
                Vol. XXXIV, No.2 Summer 2004

                "Revolutionary War ... Courts Martial ..... cont.

                British General Court Martial,
                Brooklyn, Long Island, Aug. 12, 1778

                John Conolly, pte. 64th Regt,. Foote
                accused of 'deserting from said Regt.

                Court's Opinion "guilty"
                1st Article of War, 6th Section

                ... to receive 'one thousand lashes on the bare back with Cats of Nine tails
                ...

                Was the punishment in 1812, lashes, confinement, hard labour or death for
                desertion?


                ==============


                "Interesting this research stuff"
                as Mr. Hobbs says, looking over his wine glass ............



                Yrs.,

                L2
              • lalozon
                From: Kevin Windsor Betsy you rock!!!! visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~kycampbe/war1812prisoners.htm ......... Yes Mr. Windsor
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                  From: "Kevin Windsor" <kevin.windsor@...>

                  Betsy you rock!!!!

                  visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~kycampbe/war1812prisoners.htm



                  .........



                  Yes Mr. Windsor she do ........


                  I believe Len Heidebrecht also has a list of the height of men
                  in the 8th (Kings) Regiment while at Fort York during the War of 1812


                  Len .............. ?!?



                  Yrs.,

                  L2
                • Len Heidebrecht
                  ... Yup she do. ... the 8th (Kings) Regiment while at Fort York during the War of 1812 ... Oh, that s my cue! Actually its a listing of the first 124 civilians
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                    > Betsy you rock!!!!

                    Yup she do.

                    >I believe Len Heidebrecht also has a list of the height of men in
                    the 8th (Kings) Regiment while at Fort York during the War of 1812
                    > Len .............. ?!?

                    Oh, that's my cue!

                    Actually its a listing of the first 124 civilians in the area of the
                    town of York UC to take the oaths of Abrigation and Allegience
                    conducted from 1800-1806. Average height was Five foot nine and three
                    quarters.

                    I think you'll find that this sampling of the prisoners of war may be
                    skewed slightly as a number of boy drummers were listed ; ages
                    10,12,13,15 and 16 (though two drummers were 32 and 34).

                    What a fascinating piece of work this is. I thought that I'd list
                    some of the bits of trivia that I've picked up so-far:

                    Number of captives: 440

                    Ages 10 to 58,

                    Heights, 4'4" to 6'2"(more on that when I have the time,)

                    Ranks:
                    Unremarked, 112
                    Private, 262
                    Cpl, 27
                    Sjt, 22
                    Drummer, 7
                    Gunner, 8
                    Craftsman, 1
                    Civilian, 1

                    Wounded 88

                    Jonathan Holliways might have been a driver, commissairy or just
                    someone who pissed them off so much they dragged him back as well.

                    Craftsman may refer to a pioneer,sapper/miner or one of the
                    artificers of the regiment such as the shoemaker or farrier.

                    Of the Cpls, Sjts we don't know if any were artillerist. But one
                    person I listed as a gunner is remarked as being 'Artillery'.

                    Pte Lens Meniclier a Cdn is listed as a dragoon. Capt Coleman's Tp
                    perhaps? Eleven other Canadians are also listed as prisoners.

                    I don't blame Patrick Kelly for trying to escape, I regularly attend
                    courses in Berea KY between Christmas an New Year; a dry town in a
                    dry county. Strangely enough the only wet town in that county is
                    Frankfort. Perhaps the poor fellow only wanted to go and have
                    Christmas drink with his waiter friends?

                    Cheers,

                    Len
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