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    From: Victor Suthren With regard to the ongoing discussion on naval ranks .... ... please see the attached. [Non-text portions of this
    Message 1 of 1 , Aug 5, 2004
      From: Victor Suthren <suthren@...>

      With regard to the ongoing discussion on naval ranks ....
      ... please see the attached.

      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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      Rank Requirements
      Naval Establishment
      Crown Forces North America

      12 June 2004

      Admiral Commanding

      Honourary appointment. Candidate shall be selected from list of
      command-qualified Post Captains.

      Post Captain

      Candidates shall possess a CCG/MoT 60-Ton Limited Waters Command
      Qualification with Sail Endorsement, or an equivalent USCG-certified or
      United Kingdom MoT qualification or parallel certification (e.g. British
      Yachtmaster minimum with additional certification) and an acceptable record
      of command of multi-masted traditional-rig vessels, or professional
      certification as a practitioner of a naval/marine art or skill that
      historically was recognized by the granting of Post rank or its equivalent,
      e.g. Dockyard Captain. A further qualification shall be an acceptable degree
      of historical knowledge about the Navy of 1792-1815.


      Candidates shall possess a demonstrable record of offshore and/or coastal
      command of a licenced or privately-owned traditional-rig vessel and/or
      modern yacht or vessel with sufficiently traditional aspects to the rig and
      operation, and a demonstrable record of command of a flotilla (more than
      two) of traditional small craft in the execution of naval evolutions under
      sail and oar. Candidates shall demonstrate the ability to teach
      traditional-rig seamanship in gaff-, lug-, and gunter-rigged vessels, and
      instruct in all aspects of boatwork. Historical knowledge of the Navy of
      1792-1815 shall be an additional requirement.


      Candidates shall have passed, or will be confirmed by passing at a
      convenient School Of The Sailor, a Board which shall examine him/her on
      elements of seamanship; navigation; shiphandling; boatwork; naval


      discipline; small arms and weaponry; personal example and the leadership of
      re-enactment naval personnel; and naval historical knowledge of the Navy of
      1792-1815. Such candidates shall make application to sit their Board upon
      successful completion of two (2) seasons' activity as a naval re-enactor of
      whatever rank within the programmes of Crown Forces North America.
      Candidates may be nominated by Post Captains to sit their Board if deemed by
      performance to have merited it.

      Warrant Officers

      Warrant Officers shall be offered the King's Warrant in their chosen field
      of expertise upon demonstration of a suitable level of recognized and
      official competence in that field; e.g. Master Gunners must have satisfied
      all requirements for gunnery training as provided for by the Canadian Parks
      Service, The US Parks Service, and/or similar agencies in the United Kingdom
      or elsewhere; Boatswains shall be certified by individuals at the Post
      Captain rank and/or traditional-rig vessel operators outside of the CFNA
      programme of their competence in marine arts: rigging, ropework, sail
      handling, gear and tackle, boatwork; work aloft (as appropriate) and the
      demonstrated capacity to (a) stand a watch in command of the vessel under
      the supervision of the Officer of the Watch or the vessel's Master/Captain;
      (b) coxswain and command a ship's boat under oar and sail; and (c)
      demonstrate if required to examiners an acceptable level of ropework,
      knot-tying, rigging and sail knowledge, helmsmanship and ship husbandry.
      Such examination may take place at the School of the Sailor as and if
      required by the warranting officer(s).

      Petty Officers

      Petty Officers shall be appointed as the Post Captain, Commander, or
      Lieutenant of the ship's company or vessel to whom the seaman shall belong,
      on satisfactory demonstration of (a) the basic seaman's arts and ability to
      "hand, reef, and steer"; (b) leadership skills and suitability, and (c)
      historical knowledge of the Navy of 1792-1815.



      Individual members of naval re-enactment groups who form part of the Crown
      Forces North America shall for confidential bookkeeping purposes be entered
      as Landsmen until in the judgment of the Petty and Warrant officers who have
      sailed with the individual in question, he or she can be reported to have
      mastered a basic level of seamanship and awareness of the seaman's art,
      through successful attendance at one or more Schools of the Sailor,
      experience afloat, and/or having satisfied his/her superior officers as
      indicated above of suitability to be entered as a Seaman. The term Seaman is
      ONLY to be applied to an individual who has proven himself/herself to be an
      asset afloat, not a liability, and shall be a coveted designation much
      sought after.


      Aside from Sea Officers or the "people", portrayals of other roles in the
      Georgian Navy such as Chaplain, Surgeon, etc., shall be entertained and
      welcomed in Naval Establishment activities provided an acceptable level of
      historical accuracy in clothing, equipment, behavior and appearance is
      forthcoming, as provided for by the general regulations of Crown Forces
      North America. In all other respects ,simply deciding to wear the uniform of
      a given rank and/or function in the Royal Navy or Provincial Marine of
      1792-1815 shall not lead to an official event role within the Naval
      Establishment in that rank or function, even if the individual---and he or
      she is free to do---chooses to attend a Crown Forces event in naval dress as
      a member of CFNA. Actual roles and responsibilities in the deployment of
      boats and ships serving at events as part of the Naval Establishment, CFNA,
      shall only be assigned to those who have satisfied the above rank
      requirements and can "walk the talk".

      I have the Honour to be,
      Your with great Regard
      Victor Suthren
      Squadron Commodore pro tem
      Naval Establishment
      Crown Forces North America


      Larry Lozon - Assistant Moderator
      "in the Owners absence"
      Jim Yaworsky - Group Owner
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