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• From: John-Paul Johnson Let s assume assume a a perfect musket with a barrel length of 48 in (1.2 m) accelerating .........
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From: "John-Paul Johnson" <jpjohnsn@...>

Let's assume assume a a perfect musket with a barrel length
of 48 in (1.2 m) accelerating .........

..........

Mr Johnson et al,

The operative words are "Let's assume".
Thus

From: "Ray Hobbs" <ray.hobbs@...>

"One of the ways of finding out is to listen to those who were actually
hit by musket balls during the conflict. One, George Ferguson,(Light
Company, 100th Regt. of Foot) was wounded .."

As Mr. Williams has stated, assuming does not count, we must go to
original documents if we want to know what really happened.

Yrs,
Larry

PS: The verdict is out whether your cousin's boyfriend's uncle's barber's
descriptions can be used as documentation! :^)
• And yet any and all research must begin with a hypothesis or an assumption. i.e. Assuming there was a battle fought at Lundy s Lane... So to nitpick over
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And yet any and all research must begin with a hypothesis or an assumption.
i.e. "Assuming there was a battle fought at Lundy's Lane..." So to nitpick
over establishing a parameter (standard length of musket) is just, well,
nitpicking IMHO.

Calling it as I see it, your friend,

Michael

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>From: "John-Paul Johnson" <jpjohnsn@...>
>
>Let's assume assume a a perfect musket with a barrel length
>of 48 in (1.2 m) accelerating .........
>
>..........
>
>Mr Johnson et al,
>
> The operative words are "Let's assume".
>Thus
>
>From: "Ray Hobbs" <ray.hobbs@...>
>
>
>"One of the ways of finding out is to listen to those who were actually
>hit by musket balls during the conflict. One, George Ferguson,(Light
>Company, 100th Regt. of Foot) was wounded .."
>
>As Mr. Williams has stated, assuming does not count, we must go to
>original documents if we want to know what really happened.
>
>Yrs,
>Larry
(snip)

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• From: PEGGY Mathews ... assumption. ... nitpick ... .......... Mon Ami Assuming is good, but if Original Documentation is avail re:
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From: "PEGGY Mathews" <ciefranche21e@...>

> And yet any and all research must begin with a hypothesis or an
assumption.
> i.e. "Assuming there was a battle fought at Lundy's Lane..." So to
nitpick
> over establishing a parameter (standard length of musket) is just, well,
> nitpicking IMHO.
..........

Mon Ami'

Assuming is good, but if Original Documentation is avail re:
Lundy's Lane,
assuming is not necessary ...... as if would of, could of, ..... well you
know.

Example: "What uniform is needed"

"Archives reports-" Returns for the Regt. state they wore
....

Larry
(Wore out the movie yet?)
• Mr Lozon, Relying entirely on documentation, even first person accounts, is a sloppy research technique as even the most reliable sources can contradict
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Mr Lozon,

Relying entirely on documentation, even first person accounts, is a
sloppy research technique as even the most "reliable" sources can
contradict one another. One only has to look at a more recent conflict
- The Battle of Britain - to see an example of this. Neither side were
able to keep accurate records of victories and losses - even their own.
According so some German sources, the RAF Fighter Command had losses
enough to wipe it out several times over.

George Ferguson might have scarcely noticed his wound (adrenaline is
funny stuff) but Shadrach Byfield certainly felt his neck wound. The
impact knocked him down with force enough to make others think he'd been
killed outright (not to mention accidently bayoneting a fellow soldier)
and, even after regaining his senses, had to crawl and his hands and
knees back to find help. He'd complained about the loss of use of his
arm and shoulder as well. But even this is a first person account that
was written well after the event.

On the other hand, in conversations I've had with the much maligned
Gord Laco, he talked about firing cannon down at a range in the States
in preparation for the movie and how some of the "common knowledge"
about how bar and chain shot turned out to be wrong. While not
intentionally an experiment, situations like that can add to our
understanding of "how they did it".

Look at a series like "Battlefield Detectives" where that use modern
scientific methods as well as supporting documents to confirm or debunk
what we think we know about famous battles. The episode last night
about "The Charge of the Light Brigade" for example, showed that some
parts of what we think is true actually is, but other things like far
from the Brigade being decimated but rather less that 100 casualties out
of "The Six Hundred" were discovered. Or how, in the episode on
Agincourt, it was discovered that the much celebrated archers would have
had little effect on the French Knights as the iron bodkin arrows could
not have penetrated plate armour. This could have only been discovered
through hands on research.

Now my little back of the envelope calculations relied on certain
conditions that are less than real world. Fine. My intent was to get a
handle on whether a character in a movie reacted properly after being
shot. Do my assumptions approach reality, maybe, maybe not. If you
think I'm wrong, show me why you think so. Just don't sit there and
criticize without bringing anything to the table except a need to feel
superior through putting others down (and an insatiable need to have the
last word)

I, remain, Sir, Your Humble and Obedient Servent,

J-P Johnson
Bulger's Co, RNR

Larry Lozon wrote:

>From: "John-Paul Johnson" <jpjohnsn@...>
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>Let's assume assume a a perfect musket with a barrel length
>of 48 in (1.2 m) accelerating .........
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>..........
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>Mr Johnson et al,
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> The operative words are "Let's assume".
>Thus
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>From: "Ray Hobbs" <ray.hobbs@...>
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>"One of the ways of finding out is to listen to those who were actually
>hit by musket balls during the conflict. One, George Ferguson,(Light
>Company, 100th Regt. of Foot) was wounded .."
>
>As Mr. Williams has stated, assuming does not count, we must go to
>original documents if we want to know what really happened.
>
>Yrs,
>Larry
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