Fw: John's Being Bitchie !
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From: "john harris" <jharris@...>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:25 PM
Subject: John's Being Bitchie !
> > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:42:43 -0000
> > From: "Gord_1812" <gord_1812@...>
> > Subject: Re: US/UK Crown Forces
> > --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "usmarine1814" <usmarine1812@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > Is the recent collection of Unit names and info and the increased
> > > references to these "forces" perhaps the begining of umbrella
> > > groups. I dont mind personally I think it could be good for the
> > >1812 hobby for communication and coordination purposes.
> > Personally I think a more informal coordination between units is
> > best. I shudder when I read the word umbrella . I think the
> > individually of units is what makes this hobby interesting.
> NEWSFLASH PEOPLE !! - Whether you like it /realize it/ condone it , we
> already have an umbrella organization in place !!! OH MY GOD !!! LET THE
> HEAVEN'S RAIN DOWN FIRE AND BLOW OUR ASHES LIKE USED KLENEX IN THE WIND!!
> The only difference is, there are no dues, each individual group still
> their own autonomy with regards to authenticity levels, and what event's
> they wish to participate in .
> Look , it's really a very simple process here . Depending on where you
> in the continent ; ( that's THIS continent not that OTHER one where people
> seem to think all the real things that pretain to this list really took
> place, [ hey I told you I was being real bitchie here ] , and really have
> bearing on an 1812 list ) , there are people that are reconized by various
> historic site's/ organizations , as having 1) experiance with either the
> site/organzation/town, etc.
> 2) RESPECT within the reenactment community as to their
> leadership skills , knowledge ,experiance, deportment , and past history
> relation to being a "leader".
> 3) Have SHOWN that they can do the job, not just put on a
> uniform . For anyone who experianced the early '80's in ACW , there was an
> incredable amount of peacock's strutting around in charge BECAUSE THEY HAD
> THE OFFICER'S UNIFORM !! No knowledge, but they had the uniform!! I'm
> sure the same thing happened in AWI and F&I , that's how umbrella
> organizations started in a nutshell . You want to be an officer/NCO and be
> in charge , you better know your sh*t !
> > Some of us love to do drill. Some just want to dress up an look nice.
> > Some just want to talk to the public.
> To each is his own, as long as you know the drill and are safe , if that's
> what your group does, who am I to say anything , ( under most
> circumstances )
> > My fear is that a "umbrella" group would kill the individuality of
> > seprate units. You all know my view of the Crown Forces idea.
> > It's a great way to coordinate events and battles, BUT lets keep it a
> > hobby and not a job.
> Umbrella group, see above.
> Crown Forces , when we play on their side , we conform to the standard
> is expected.
> Hobby , yes, Job, no . However we have gone back to work to get a good
> after a real hard weekend!! ;^)
> > >I also believe in
> > > authenticity standards, but many feel this may be a "slippery
> > slope".
> > Authenticity standards are good to a point! Just remeber a lot of us
> > do the hobby for recreation. I'm the first to suggest that someone
> > put that Coke in a period mug or hide a cooler. But I'll be the first
> > to tell a " authenticity standards cop" to bugger off if he/she
> > tells me my tent is to big for my rank or that I have to replace my
> > air mattress with straw. Or my boots have to be replaced with brogans.
> Authenticity standards are the reponsibility of the individual group,
> it is otherwise specified by either a historic site or an organizer of an
> event. If they say no police boot's, I guess you'll have to go barefoot or
> get a pair of proper boots. As someone who has been called a "Farb Nazi"
> the past I actually have mellowed a bit in my years . Now unless it's
> blatant , I don't give a crap . When I want real authentic atmosphere , I
> 20th century events .
> > (don't laugh) It happened to me at a F&I event at FT. Ticondroga
> > (SP?) ((I never went back!))
> > Gord
> Gord, as your former C.O. , I have to laugh ! How many years have you worn
> your top hat at Rev War once a year ? However, this year when I asked you
> not wear it, you changed it . If you can do it here, why not a little
> something for 1812? Just a thought.
> I will now get off the soapbox and await your reprisal's . My tin lid is
> the computer !!
> John Harris
> 25th US Infantry, Whiting's Company
> 42nd Reg't , Grenadier Company