Re: [WarOf1812] Color Clarification
- Dear List,
To clarify some of this Color question:
Whenever the 7th INF is present at events we "uncase
and case" our Colors with all due solemnity. It is
part of every event we do where our Colors are
As has already been eloquently stated Colors are more
than painted and sewn pieces of cloth. They are
visible symbols of a regiment's honor. They are
symbols of its past, and present---a legacy to pass to
the future. As many of you know we do not treat them
or anyones Color or Color ceremony lightly or with
We generally do this ceremony amongst ourselves as
these Colors represent our unit not, for example The
Marine Guard off Constitution...which is why Robert
you didn't see it at McHenry last year. I don't feel
it is my right to make you stand through our
Regimental Color Ceremony. You will remember that all
units were present for Morning Troop and Evening
Retreat when the Garrison Flag is used as this Flag is
the symbol for all those portraying Americans at the
event. So yes, you actually were there and did see and
participate in it. This same Flag Raising for all
American units present is done at Mississinewa, Ft.
Jackson and New Orleans.
When we Troop our Regimental Colors every year at New
Orleans we invite all participating units, American
and British to attend. Likewise when the 93rd has its
ceremony we also attend. These ceremonies are more
than just wastes of times. They are outward symbols
of mutual respect, elan and esprit d' corps.
When I command at New Orleans I also have the
artillery hold a round back to fire as the British
Flag is raised or lowered---again a symbol of mutual
respect. And as there is no British Artillery units
present it is the courteous thing to do.
As to US units not having National Colors that is
incorrect. The National Color of US Regiments in the
War of 1812 is not the Stars and Stripes. Instead it
is a blue silk Color with the arms of the US
embroidered or painted on them along with the name of
the Regiment and stars spread above the eagles head in
correspondence with the number of states in the union.
By the 1840's American Infantry regiments are issued
the Stars and Stripes as their National Standard.
Their old National Standard is modified to become the
Regimental Color and the old Regimental or Battalion
Color phased out.
Whenever we brigade with our sister units of the 1st,
6th, 25th, and Rifle Regiment and their Colors are
present they are also accorded the same ceremony when
casing and uncasing. A proud moment for me is knowing
that Dave Bennett's command of the 1st USI has now
obtained their Regimental Color and will have them
along with us at Mississinea in October. They are
currently raising funds to purchase their National
In 2001 we brought our colors to Canada, most
specifically Ft. Erie where the "casing and uncasing"
was carried out. So Kevin, American Regimental colors
have been there. We had such a marvelous time at Ft.
Erie we have wanted to return. Unfortunately we will
miss out again this year due to scheduling and
budgetary constraints. But we will get back there and
so will the Colors.
Even on the movie shoot we just finished for the
History Channel at Meigs when the Colors were required
for a shot they were still produced, uncased and cased
with due solemnity. When we were off at one end of
the fort waiting for the next shot and British Colors
marched by the unified command---1st, 6th 7th, 25th
were called to attention and honors paid. We feel it
is the right, proper and honorable thing to do.
Sure will miss being at Ft. Erie! Looking forward to
seeing some of you at Ft. McHenry and at Mississinewa!
Now how many of you are coming to New Orleans??????
--- Robert White <whiteesq@...> wrote:
> For what its worth, it is my understanding that most=====
> US units did not even have colors during the war of
> 1812 and seldom was the national colours used as a
> battle standard. For instance the U.S. Marine Corps
> did not have colours at all and did not until later
> the century. I do know that at Fort McHenry which
> under the command of Steve Abolt that we did not
> the colors. R.R. White, 1812 Marine USS
> --- Kevin Windsor <kevin.windsor@...>
> > Never happens up here in Canuckistan Benton. I
> > don't know if I recall the US ever having Colours
> > hear. Would look great though!
> > Fort Meigs 2004!
> > HQ93rd@... wrote:
> > > I don't know who has been going over and
> > but from what I have
> > > always seen --- The "Yank" units -- at least
> > S. Abolt is in command -- do "the colour thing"
> > the time.
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