Tim Horton's coffee at the War of 1812
- In a message dated 12/31/2002 8:04:26 AM Central Standard Time,
> Message: 9I think Tim Horton's was the official coffee provider to the militia in
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:40:40 -0000
> From: "Tracy <tracyforsyth@...>" <tracyforsyth@...>
> Subject: Straw and Hay bales
> cups in the hands of re
Canada. The British regulars brought their own Lipton tea bags. ;-)
Seriously, although re-enactors have to eat and sleep and keep up with modern
times, including modern sanitation (and, although I'm not a re-enactor, I've
wandered about in my Empire style dress munching a McD's hamburger), I
endorse Tracy's 'heads up'.
You're living the life of soldiers and camp followers of 1812. You know more
about those conditions than I do, from research and 'on the spot' experience.
I'm here to learn from you at second hand. Sometimes it seems at a very
distant second hand. Re-enactors seem very stand-offish about people like
myself touring your camps. I for one hate butting in on your privacy but you
are 'on show" and I am interested in what you do and how it's done -
particularly the domestic side.
The fast food and the wrappings do detract from the authenticity of your
portrayals. So do the garbage bags and the portable latrines, but the site
admin has to keep within the laws.
Since some give and take between centuries happens, and since people have
paid to see you do your stuff, may I ask that a few people in your units take
on an extra assignment? Guide us through the encampment and explain what
people are doing. Give demos if you can. How would the meals be cooked in
the field, the socks darned, the wounded treated [I've yet to see surgery
performed at Fort York], the children cared for [assuming there were children
about], the discipline conducted? That way you won't have unregulated
wandering and prying about the tents. Maybe you could have a section of it
'in bounds', and its residents and furnishings as authentic as the laws and
your research allows. Another section can be 'out of bounds' [you may need
to set up pickets]. That's where the Tim Horton cups and the rest of the
21st century goes, and where you can go to be 'off duty.'
This popped into my head. A cloudburst ruined one of the events at Fort York
last year. I assume that, during thunderstorms in 1812, the soldiers would
remain in barracks [except for the sentries]. How did the sentries cope? Also
how did the men in the tents contend with difficulties, when their camp
became a swamp. How do you cope, historically, when you can't get a fire
going and your canvas leaks and your straw is soaking wet?
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- Kind of surprised to hear that. I only get "east" once or twice a year,
plus the midwestern events, but my units tend to pride themselves on
accessibility to the public. We like to talk to people about what we're
doing or portraying. Especially since it my case it's often a tad out of
the ordinary. Might be a period thing. In the French and Indian War events
I go to, and particularly my unit, we go out of our way to involve the
public with a dialog. While we do roll our eyes with not another question
of, "do you really sleep here?", but otherwise we like to talk. One of the
things that has kept me out of some periods is roped off camp areas. Like
you say, we are on display and IMHO should be prepared to interact with the
Best to all in the coming year. May the wars only be fought as reenactments
and on tabletops.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:15 AM
Subject: [WarOf1812] Tim Horton's coffee at the War of 1812
> In a message dated 12/31/2002 8:04:26 AM Central Standard Time,
> WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com writes:
Sometimes it seems at a very
> distant second hand. Re-enactors seem very stand-offish about people like
> myself touring your camps. (snip)
- I agree with Marilyn here, our family attends three re enactments a
year Stoney Creek,Fort George and Fort Erie and alot of the times we
enter the camp where we are told we are to ask questions and learn
about the period. We often feel we are not welcome or we are
We don't lead exciting lives and the re enactments are the "high"
point of our summers and looked forward to all winter! We have met
alot of re enactors from this list and we do seek them out when we
are at a location but most of the time when we go to the camp it
sometimes seems as the re enactors are glad to see their buddies that
they haven't seen since the last re enactment and we wonder around
wondering if we are in an out of bounds area.
I am not writing this to hurt any one's feelings I am just relating
how we feel as a family attending some of the re enactments.
Tracy Royal Observer
Re-enactors seem very stand-offish about people like
> myself touring your camps. I for one hate butting in on yourprivacy but you
> are 'on show" and I am interested in what you do and how it's done -your
> particularly the domestic side.
> The fast food and the wrappings do detract from the authenticity of
> portrayals. So do the garbage bags and the portable latrines, butthe site
> admin has to keep within the laws.people have
> Since some give and take between centuries happens, and since
> paid to see you do your stuff, may I ask that a few people in yourunits take
> on an extra assignment? Guide us through the encampment and explainwhat
> people are doing. Give demos if you can. How would the meals becooked in
> the field, the socks darned, the wounded treated [I've yet to seesurgery
> performed at Fort York], the children cared for [assuming therewere children
> about], the discipline conducted? That way you won't haveunregulated
> wandering and prying about the tents. Maybe you could have asection of it
> 'in bounds', and its residents and furnishings as authentic as thelaws and
> your research allows. Another section can be 'out of bounds' [youmay need
> to set up pickets]. That's where the Tim Horton cups and the restof the
> 21st century goes, and where you can go to be 'off duty.'camp
- Tracy and others,
Unlike Terry, I am one of those re-enactors who re-enact for the
public. Terry and I have known each other for many years and have
agreed to disagree on this point.
The constitution of our re-enactment society (MRSC) states that one
of our aims is the education of the public about the War 0f 1812
specifically and the time period in general. We strive to keep our
uniforms, drill, camp, etc. as close to accurate as
possible. We never turn the public away from our camp and our
members spend hours talking to the public.
That being said, I don't want to live in 1812. If this were
1812, I would have died in 1770 from appendicitis. We encourage our
members to not use or to hide non-period items. BUT our members are
volunteers who do this for fun and at some expense to themselves,
and I am not willing to demand that a member spend money
for an 1812 stroller after they have spent several thousand on a
musket, uniform, period tent, etc.
One gradually gets better and better at the impression but it takes
time. Personally, I prefer our camp coffee to Tim's, but if
someone makes a morning coffee run, I drink Tim's and dispose of
the cup before the camp is open to the public. Once the camp is
closed to the public, I make myself as comfortable as possible.