Re: Pens and Histories
- Heavens forbid that I would ever want to get involved in a dialogue
re metal nibs again! Doug
--- In WarOf1812@y..., "lenthecooper" <lheidebrecht@L...> wrote:
> I don't think that this is quite correct. In the past few years
> seen sutlers attempting to sell steel nibbed pen (often stuck into
> piece of broom corn as a handle. and feel this is just an attempt
> sell their items. Mind you if people will sell tricorn caps at 1812
> events why not sell items which are well after our period. OK, OK,
> that's another subject.
> Mell George, "Writing Antiques", Shire Publications LTD, 1996,UK
> Pg 5, Pens and Nibs
> 'About 1823 some nibs were cut from horn and tortoiseshell,
> and reinforced with chips of diamond, ruby and other gemstones for
> greater durability. Thet made little impact for,in 1832, no less
> 33,668,000 quill pens were in use in Britian, most imported from
> '...quills almost disappeared when steel nibs were perfected..'
> The book later goes onto speak toward the steel pen nibs of the
> and an 1849 glass pen and also about the reservoir systms for quill
> pens (1819, the Penograghic Fountain Pen.)
> --- In WarOf1812@y..., petemonahan@a... wrote:
> > Ted
> > The short answer is that there were steel pen nibs by 1812, but
> they were
> > probably not common.
> > I did some research a couple of years ago on steel nibbed pens.
> They were
> > patented, or some version was, about 1818 or so, by a clever chap
> > Birmingham (?). Or so says the pen collectors club in the U.K.
> (Sorry, this
> > is approximate, but I've not got the references in front of me,
> > essentials are accurate.) My guess, based on that, was that they
> must have
> > been in use before that, especially given that the Romans had
> bronze nibs by
> > 300 C.E. Sure enough, I have found two mentions of steel nibs by
> > (Again, no exact references, but I might be able to find them.)
> > My guess would be that professional clerks -Bureaucrats ! Ugh!
> Spit twice!
> > :) - used them. So, army clerks and staff wallahs had them, I'd
> guess, while
> > ordinary citizens used the (cheaper) quills, probaly well into
> 1820's &
> > '30''s. I hope this helps.
> > Peter Monahan, Company Clerk,
> > Royal Newfoundland Regiment
> > petemonahan@a...
> > 705-435-0953
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Yes, I read (and have) the Shire series pens book and had concluded as you do
that steel nibs were post-us, but I've since seen a reference which says
"earlier, by 1805". The key word in the book may be "perfected". I believe
the earlist had no slit in the nib - simply a small steel blade, so likely
very inefficient because only the ink. Anyway, I'll have to dig out my
reference again. (By the by, I tend to agree with your assessment of the
broom straw + nib sets, though to be fair the suttlers may have been told
they were o.k. for 1812.)
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