Re: [WarOf1812] Pens and Histories
- I have a copy of Noah Freer's requisition list for 1813. Freer was
Military Secretary in the Canadas. Kevin is right - no metal nibs, just
quills, hundreds of them.
41st Regt. of Foot
Kevin Windsor wrote:
> This was covered before. metal nibs were out, but someone posted (I[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> think king Larry)Napoleon's baggage list and no sign of metal nibs, so
> if the "ruler of the free
> world" didn't have them then no did. Especially lowly subalterns and
> surgeons like us!
> Lt Kevin
> "Ted Y." wrote:
> > This may have been covered in another thread some time
> > ago, but were the wooden, metal tipped pens in use by
> > the time of the war, or were they still using goose
> > quills?
> > Also, what's the best overall general history of the
> > war?
> The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
> of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of
> THOUSANDS of square miles...
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> In theYes, That is another subject. I was just commenting to
> past few years I've
> seen sutlers attempting to sell steel nibbed pen
> (often stuck into a
> piece of broom corn as a handle. and feel this is
> just an attempt to
> sell their items. Mind you if people will sell
> tricorn caps at 1812
> events why not sell items which are well after our
> period. OK, OK,
> that's another subject.
someone that 1812 reenacting reminded me in many ways
of Rev. War in the late 60's, about a decade before
the bicentennial. Many people were using leftover gear
and weaponry from the Civil War centennial, some of
which was Spanish-American War surplus off
Bannermann's Island. Only a few people weree turning
out material for the Rev. War era and they weren't
even making the correct muskets in a mass produced
manner. Most of the flintlocks were either custom
Besses or Belgian trade flintlocks, including some
"Long Tom" guns that were taller than the folks
carrying them. It seems like there's more that will go
for 1812, but it's sometimes hard to tell what's
correct if you are new to this. What are some good
sutlers that offer period wares? I know that some seem
to be catering to multi-period, meaning you could end
up with something 1830's or 40's if you don't know.
Some of the earlier material from the 18th century
should work, but a number of things were on the way
by then, if not long gone, like the tricorns.
Another point in question, what items do you think
need to be reproduced that no one is making? For
example; nobody thought to make a 3 band musket until
AFTER the Civil War centennial ended. For Rev. War a
mass produced 1st model Bess is still on the drawing
board, but due perhaps next year, if India and
Pakistan don't nuke each other. Palmetto Arms IS
importing a North & Cheney pistol M1799, however.
Y.H. & O.S.
1st MD Rifle BN
Fell's Point Rifles
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re metal nibs again! Doug
--- In WarOf1812@y..., "lenthecooper" <lheidebrecht@L...> wrote:
> I don't think that this is quite correct. In the past few years
> seen sutlers attempting to sell steel nibbed pen (often stuck into
> piece of broom corn as a handle. and feel this is just an attempt
> sell their items. Mind you if people will sell tricorn caps at 1812
> events why not sell items which are well after our period. OK, OK,
> that's another subject.
> Mell George, "Writing Antiques", Shire Publications LTD, 1996,UK
> Pg 5, Pens and Nibs
> 'About 1823 some nibs were cut from horn and tortoiseshell,
> and reinforced with chips of diamond, ruby and other gemstones for
> greater durability. Thet made little impact for,in 1832, no less
> 33,668,000 quill pens were in use in Britian, most imported from
> '...quills almost disappeared when steel nibs were perfected..'
> The book later goes onto speak toward the steel pen nibs of the
> and an 1849 glass pen and also about the reservoir systms for quill
> pens (1819, the Penograghic Fountain Pen.)
> --- In WarOf1812@y..., petemonahan@a... wrote:
> > Ted
> > The short answer is that there were steel pen nibs by 1812, but
> they were
> > probably not common.
> > I did some research a couple of years ago on steel nibbed pens.
> They were
> > patented, or some version was, about 1818 or so, by a clever chap
> > Birmingham (?). Or so says the pen collectors club in the U.K.
> (Sorry, this
> > is approximate, but I've not got the references in front of me,
> > essentials are accurate.) My guess, based on that, was that they
> must have
> > been in use before that, especially given that the Romans had
> bronze nibs by
> > 300 C.E. Sure enough, I have found two mentions of steel nibs by
> > (Again, no exact references, but I might be able to find them.)
> > My guess would be that professional clerks -Bureaucrats ! Ugh!
> Spit twice!
> > :) - used them. So, army clerks and staff wallahs had them, I'd
> guess, while
> > ordinary citizens used the (cheaper) quills, probaly well into
> 1820's &
> > '30''s. I hope this helps.
> > Peter Monahan, Company Clerk,
> > Royal Newfoundland Regiment
> > petemonahan@a...
> > 705-435-0953
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes, I read (and have) the Shire series pens book and had concluded as you do
that steel nibs were post-us, but I've since seen a reference which says
"earlier, by 1805". The key word in the book may be "perfected". I believe
the earlist had no slit in the nib - simply a small steel blade, so likely
very inefficient because only the ink. Anyway, I'll have to dig out my
reference again. (By the by, I tend to agree with your assessment of the
broom straw + nib sets, though to be fair the suttlers may have been told
they were o.k. for 1812.)
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