Taking Rifled Flintlocks to the UK
- A while back I wrote the List and asked what requirements one must fulfill
in order to take a rifled flintlock to the UK for purposes of reenactment.
Well, I've since found out, and for anyone's edification, here they are, so
First, one must have a darned good reason to bring it over (reenactments
qualify; I've been invited to be with the UK 1/95th at a living history
event in August 1999). You also need a sponsor who is a UK resident (don't
know whether they have to be UK citizens). Then, the applicant and his or
her sponsor must get and fill out the correct application forms, namely the
"Application for a Visitor's Firearm/Shot Gun Permit"(Firearms Form 107),
and the "Application For Grant of an Explosives Certificate To Those
Resident Outside The United Kingdom" (COER/2).
Both forms are good for individuals as well as groups. You must spell out in
the forms exactly when, where and for what purpose you plan to use the
rifled flintlock. They also ask if you plan to bring explosives with you. I
don't plan to, and I seriously doubt the US Govt. will let anybody take any
on the plane, even in the checked luggage. They also ask if you plan to buy
any firearms or shotguns, acc. to their definitions, while in the UK, but
I'd probably need some kind of export licence.
The police officer, who is helping my sponsor (my sister-in-law, who is from
Winchester, Hants) with the application, strongly recommended the latter
form, at the very least because it's one of the few things that are granted
free by the UK Police! :^)
(The first application, BTW, costs twelve pounds.)
I also had to send in DETAILED info and a pic of the Baker repro, which is
rifled and therefore falls in with all rifles, old and new, in the UK's
Firearms classification. (The UK groups use the smoothbore varieties of
Baker repros, which come under the heading of Shotguns, which are pretty
much COMPARATIVELY exempt from the paperwork that mine entails.)
In fact, the officer seemed to hint to my sister-in-law that the info was
TOO detailed; she seemed to think that they might have given it a pass and
just figured it was an antique or a Baker smoothbore copy, _but_ I would NOT
recommend to anyone to try to bring in a rifled flintlock as a smoothbore,
and take the chance that the Old Bill will just say, "Right, a flintlock-
Serious consequences _will_ result. ALWAYS follow the laws and be up front
and unequivocally honest about all your gear and intentions.
And - apply many months in advance.
I am filling the forms out as we speak, and I'll keep the list posted about
3/95th Foot (Rifles)
>From: "Roger Fuller" <fullerfamily@...>Thanks, I'll save this for future reference in case I ever get a Baker. (I
>A while back I wrote the List and asked what requirements one must fulfill
>in order to take a rifled flintlock to the UK for purposes of reenactment.
>Well, I've since found out, and for anyone's edification, here they are, so
can dream can't I?) But since one of the Waterloo options next year is to
go over to England early and knock about at bit, what is entailed with
getting a smoothbore across? Anyone? Last time I went I just requested a
loaner from the regimental depot and avoided the hassles. Except for the
hassles of trying to shoot with a frizzen so soft it could be used to clean
up spills. But I digress.
I'd really rather take my own next year, and if we take the England first
option would like to know what's involved. In '95 as an aside we went into
Paris, where no one was even interested in looking at my gun. Going out
they x-rayed the gun box and saw the bayonet. "What eez thess? Sompting
for spearing feesh?" I was asked. I started to answer it was for spearing
men, but thought better of it. "Mais oui, poisson!"
Michael Mathews -- Winona State University
Voice: (507) 285-7585 Fax: (507) 280-5568
"Wit is educated insolence." -- Aristotle (384-322 B.C.)
- Good story, Michael!
BTW the same forms I mentioned in my previous post also have check-offs for
smoothbores as well; additionally, smoothbores with a barrel length of less
than twenty-four inches and a bore greater than two inches (!) fall under a
firearm, and not a shotgun, classification. Firearms do receive greater
scrutiny than smoothbores from the police, though.
>From: mmathews@... (Michael Mathews)so
>>From: "Roger Fuller" <fullerfamily@...>
>>A while back I wrote the List and asked what requirements one must fulfill
>>in order to take a rifled flintlock to the UK for purposes of reenactment.
>>Well, I've since found out, and for anyone's edification, here they are,
>>far.Well, as handmade firearms go, they are pretty cheap. Most handmade fowlers
>Thanks, I'll save this for future reference in case I ever get a Baker. (I
>can dream can't I?)
and rifles run about US$ 2500-4000. The Rifle Shoppe Baker's a measly $1400.
(Yeah, measly, right.. :^) I'm not rich either- I'm wondering how I'm going
to afford the drive to Toronto May 21-23...).
We've explored the option of getting cheap Indian-made bakers, as they use
in the UK and Australia, and the paperwork is endless. By the time they
arrive, one could have earned the money for an RS Baker.
But since one of the Waterloo options next year is to
>go over to England early and knock about at bit, what is entailed withSo, in short, I go through the same thing everybody else _legally_ is
>getting a smoothbore across
supposed to do when going to the UK with muskets and rifles. No big deal, it
seems, but do get the paperwork in way ahead of time, and fill it out right-
who needs hassles because the "i"s weren't dotted properly.